Heckingbottom Sacked

[Daddy 'O' Hibee]

1) Can't believe how many folk are suggesting the likes of Maloney or Fletcher - this is 100% not a time for rookies. We are right in the shit, and the incoming manager must have, er, actually managed before. I mean, you could even argue they should have managed a decent-sized club; but never managed at all? Insanity. No time for a gamble like that.

2) For me the profile MUST include knowledge of the Scottish game. For pedants like @Jack who want to know what that means, then it's this: must have either managed or played up here to a decent level; meaning they know very well both the style/pace of the game, and equally importantly the expectations of a club like Hibs, both in terms of style of play, and not accepting bending over for the Glasgow scum. This in itself is no guarantee of success (see Butcher), but it's a controllable factor that at least avoids further Calderwoods or Heckingbottoms.

3) On a related point to the above, the man must have something about him, a bit of personality. You can't lead a club like Hibs quietly from the training pitch with an iPad and bland platitudes. Even more especially now, we need led from the front, and that requires a guy with a bit of gumption and a bit of swagger, who's going to infect the dressing room with a bit of belief. We're not fcukin Kilmarnock or Dundee Utd, we're fcukin Hibs, and we need a man at the helm who not only understands that but relishes it.

With all that said, my number one choice would be Strachan. I know some folk don't like him for whatever reason, but he fulfils all of the above criteria and then some, so I'd make him an offer that would give him something to think about. My number two choice would be Robinson, for the same reasons, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Them over the road will get him.

EDIT: as for Stubbs, he was one SDG header away from total failure at Hibs, in reality, and has been abject in every job since. Plus, it's a legacy too precious to tarnish. Not for me.

I believe Strachan could work the passion would be right the energy and drive? Getting the right man beside him to add youth and energy, why not, who? Lots of potentials.

 

[Hectorhib]

A recently retired player( Maloney or Fletcher) would bring energy and zeal, and would be trying to make a name for himself......but as long as he doesn't want to end up with a stupid name like phuckin Heckingbottom

 

[greencol]

Get the players in their preferred positions. Play as a team together.,with a manager who motivates and knows how to man manage. Drop standards your dropped. No really fecking Einstein or Tesla related. Shape your team accordingly as required. Get shot of the players who don't want to be here. We as fans need to play our part. Heckys gone and the things can only get better mantra is not a given. Hard fecking work is key. I'm fecking motivated for the challenge, who else. GGTTH

Hallelujah brother!
Go John!

 

[Cabbageman]

Would love to see shaun malony come in. Great coaching education and by all accounts studies the game big time. Young and plenty of drive. Coaches a free flowing style of football at Belgium. Would be good to see that at ER.

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That's a great shout imo. The other side of it though is that we'd maybe be safer going for someone with more management experience. In any case it's nice that this time there are a good few candidates who could do a job unlike when NL left

 

[Greenmachine]

1) Can't believe how many folk are suggesting the likes of Maloney or Fletcher - this is 100% not a time for rookies. We are right in the shit, and the incoming manager must have, er, actually managed before. I mean, you could even argue they should have managed a decent-sized club; but never managed at all? Insanity. No time for a gamble like that.

2) For me the profile MUST include knowledge of the Scottish game. For pedants like @Jack who want to know what that means, then it's this: must have either managed or played up here to a decent level; meaning they know very well both the style/pace of the game, and equally importantly the expectations of a club like Hibs, both in terms of style of play, and not accepting bending over for the Glasgow scum. This in itself is no guarantee of success (see Butcher), but it's a controllable factor that at least avoids further Calderwoods or Heckingbottoms.

3) On a related point to the above, the man must have something about him, a bit of personality. You can't lead a club like Hibs quietly from the training pitch with an iPad and bland platitudes. Even more especially now, we need led from the front, and that requires a guy with a bit of gumption and a bit of swagger, who's going to infect the dressing room with a bit of belief. We're not fcukin Kilmarnock or Dundee Utd, we're fcukin Hibs, and we need a man at the helm who not only understands that but relishes it.

With all that said, my number one choice would be Strachan. I know some folk don't like him for whatever reason, but he fulfils all of the above criteria and then some, so I'd make him an offer that would give him something to think about. My number two choice would be Robinson, for the same reasons, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Them over the road will get him.

EDIT: as for Stubbs, he was one SDG header away from total failure at Hibs, in reality, and has been abject in every job since. Plus, it's a legacy too precious to tarnish. Not for me.

Agree with all of that.
I also think a fully fired up Strachan with someone like Ian Murray or Kenny Miller would be just what we need right now. Strachan's high profile, experience, motivational skills, and tactical know-how would be a huge asset in our current predicament. Problem is I just don't think he is up for it any more. He is in his early 60's now and probably feels he has done all he ever wants to do in management and is quite happy in his DOF role at Dundee.
If it's a younger guy then Jack Ross certainly fits the bill. Very highly rated in scottish football, my only worry about him is that he has only managed much smaller clubs in Scotland. Getting the Sunderland job was reward for what he achieved up here but being manager at that club is the ultimate poisoned chalice. He just joins a vast throng of excellent scottish managers who have failed in English football.
As for Alan Stubbs..no thanks. A Hibernian legend forever and rightly so, but that was then and this is now. He very much relied on Doolan and Holden when he was here before and without them he was all over the place at Rotherham and St Mirren. I just don't like the idea of bringing former managers/coaches back. We have to look forward, but at the same time we need someone in who is going to immediatetly lift the club and start getting results because I say again we are in a relegation fight this season have no doubts about that.

 

[Smurf]

My preference would be Strachan with a younger guy.

However, if not then a younger coach like Ross.

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

That's possible J - the statement is clearly rushed.

They have had several weeks to prepare it. I could have written it.

BIG G

 

[1875]

They have had several weeks to prepare it. I could have written it.

BIG G

I think Heckingbottoms agent may have tipped the press the wink and Hibs have had to react.

 

[Keithd1875]

What about Jim McIntyre? Last manager outside the "big 2" in Scotland to win a major trophy

 

[Steveb86]

1) Can't believe how many folk are suggesting the likes of Maloney or Fletcher - this is 100% not a time for rookies. We are right in the shit, and the incoming manager must have, er, actually managed before. I mean, you could even argue they should have managed a decent-sized club; but never managed at all? Insanity. No time for a gamble like that.

2) For me the profile MUST include knowledge of the Scottish game. For pedants like @Jack who want to know what that means, then it's this: must have either managed or played up here to a decent level; meaning they know very well both the style/pace of the game, and equally importantly the expectations of a club like Hibs, both in terms of style of play, and not accepting bending over for the Glasgow scum. This in itself is no guarantee of success (see Butcher), but it's a controllable factor that at least avoids further Calderwoods or Heckingbottoms.

3) On a related point to the above, the man must have something about him, a bit of personality. You can't lead a club like Hibs quietly from the training pitch with an iPad and bland platitudes. Even more especially now, we need led from the front, and that requires a guy with a bit of gumption and a bit of swagger, who's going to infect the dressing room with a bit of belief. We're not fcukin Kilmarnock or Dundee Utd, we're fcukin Hibs, and we need a man at the helm who not only understands that but relishes it.

With all that said, my number one choice would be Strachan. I know some folk don't like him for whatever reason, but he fulfils all of the above criteria and then some, so I'd make him an offer that would give him something to think about. My number two choice would be Robinson, for the same reasons, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Them over the road will get him.

EDIT: as for Stubbs, he was one SDG header away from total failure at Hibs, in reality, and has been abject in every job since. Plus, it's a legacy too precious to tarnish. Not for me.

So in other words let's give the job to some Diddy who has already managed up here and won feck all. Strachan done OK with Celic but at the end of the day it's hardly a managerial masterclass doing so. I'm sick of the same shite coming in. Been there already. The likes of yogi, butcher and now linked with Ross who's done nout and Robinson who's also done nout. What makes these guys such a catch. Strachan hasn't got the best of managerial CVs either. Relegated with Coventry and had to walk at Middlesborough for the same thing. Didn't have Scotland playing particularly well either. Can just as easily be relegated with a manager who has lots of experience. I say do something different. Take the chanve. If it doesn't work out then it's nothing new. We start again. Same as we've always done.

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[aggie]

So in other words let's give the job to some Diddy who has already managed up here and won feck all. Strachan done OK with Celic but at the end of the day it's hardly a managerial masterclass doing so. I'm sick of the same shite coming in. Been there already. The likes of yogi, butcher and now linked with Ross who's done nout and Robinson who's also done nout. What makes these guys such a catch. Strachan hasn't got the best of managerial CVs either. Relegated with Coventry and had to walk at Middlesborough for the same thing. Didn't have Scotland playing particularly well either. Can just as easily be relegated with a manager who has lots of experience. I say do something different. Take the chanve. If it doesn't work out then it's nothing new. We start again. Same as we've always done.

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If it doesn’t work out, we’re gonna run a real risk of getting fuckin relegated. Dunno if it’s escaped your attention.


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[beefy]

What about Jim McIntyre? Last manager outside the "big 2" in Scotland to win a major trophy

That was Stubbs surely.

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[Keithd1875]

That was Stubbs surely.

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Who do you think I meant by the "big 2" ?

 

[beefy]

Who do you think I meant by the "big 2" [emoji14]

Boom! I fell for it! [emoji16]

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[MSG_07]

I think we need someone with knowledge of the Scottish game. That's a pretty good record Jack Ross has overall.

 

[Keithd1875]

Certainly agree regarding the Scottish game. Did Jack Ross have 1 season in the SPL? Would be interesting to see his record in top flight only

 

[dandalf1988]

Shaw aint good enough. Raith Rovers is about his level. Never make it as a regular Hibs player.

That might be but he scores goals from time to time and gets into places in the box. Far better than doidge.

 

[Bobby_Combe]

Good bloody riddance.

Now someone has to throw out the garbage he brought in. We're not out of the woods yet by a long shot.

 

[Steveb86]

If it doesn’t work out, we’re gonna run a real risk of getting fuckin relegated. Dunno if it’s escaped your attention.


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Nothings to say its going to work out regardless of who we bring in. Terry butcher come with all the spl experience you could ever need but look where that left us. Gerrard had no managerial experience or spl experience what so ever but has done a pretty good job at Rangeers over the past two years. Experience and age is irrelevant in my eyes. As long as you have a system and a way of getti g that over to the players then you could be 17 for all I care. Yes as you said we are looking over our shoulders at the moment but I do believe that we have a good enough squad to stay well clear. Just needs new ideas injected.

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[Keithd1875]

If it doesn’t work out, we’re gonna run a real risk of getting fuckin relegated. Dunno if it’s escaped your attention.


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Didn't we do "something different" when we appointed the idiot we've just sacked?

 

[Jack]

1) Can't believe how many folk are suggesting the likes of Maloney or Fletcher - this is 100% not a time for rookies. We are right in the shit, and the incoming manager must have, er, actually managed before. I mean, you could even argue they should have managed a decent-sized club; but never managed at all? Insanity. No time for a gamble like that.

2) For me the profile MUST include knowledge of the Scottish game. For pedants like @Jack who want to know what that means, then it's this: must have either managed or played up here to a decent level; meaning they know very well both the style/pace of the game, and equally importantly the expectations of a club like Hibs, both in terms of style of play, and not accepting bending over for the Glasgow scum. This in itself is no guarantee of success (see Butcher), but it's a controllable factor that at least avoids further Calderwoods or Heckingbottoms.

3) On a related point to the above, the man must have something about him, a bit of personality. You can't lead a club like Hibs quietly from the training pitch with an iPad and bland platitudes. Even more especially now, we need led from the front, and that requires a guy with a bit of gumption and a bit of swagger, who's going to infect the dressing room with a bit of belief. We're not fcukin Kilmarnock or Dundee Utd, we're fcukin Hibs, and we need a man at the helm who not only understands that but relishes it.

With all that said, my number one choice would be Strachan. I know some folk don't like him for whatever reason, but he fulfils all of the above criteria and then some, so I'd make him an offer that would give him something to think about. My number two choice would be Robinson, for the same reasons, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Them over the road will get him.

EDIT: as for Stubbs, he was one SDG header away from total failure at Hibs, in reality, and has been abject in every job since. Plus, it's a legacy too precious to tarnish. Not for me.

I wasn't the pedant

 

[aggie]

I wasn't the pedant

Ha, were ye no?!! Apologies!


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[mentalhibbyjohn]

So in other words let's give the job to some Diddy who has already managed up here and won feck all. Strachan done OK with Celic but at the end of the day it's hardly a managerial masterclass doing so. I'm sick of the same shite coming in. Been there already. The likes of yogi, butcher and now linked with Ross who's done nout and Robinson who's also done nout. What makes these guys such a catch. Strachan hasn't got the best of managerial CVs either. Relegated with Coventry and had to walk at Middlesborough for the same thing. Didn't have Scotland playing particularly well either. Can just as easily be relegated with a manager who has lots of experience. I say do something different. Take the chanve. If it doesn't work out then it's nothing new. We start again. Same as we've always done.

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Take "the chance" we're relegated!

 

[mentalhibbyjohn]

How many Hibs fans take the time to see how long we actually keep our managers? Good or bad it's 2 yrs. The last long term manager we employed was Alex Miller who was sacked in 1996 after ten years.
Since then we've employed 14 managers/coaches. 14!!!

Four of the most successful moved to other clubs. 3 left by mutual consent and 7 sacked. All gone within an average of 2 yrs.

How on earth do we stabilise a club our size changing our managers that quickly. Each one brings in their own players. Many of them leave to make way for the next man's choices. The money paid on fees must be astronomical not to mention the pay offs.

We have to end this. Stubbsie left us to be near his family. Forget all this guff about "saving his legacy". Any Scottish based manager would have been excited at taking that cup winning team and building on its success. Neil Lennon did and had us flying when we came back up.

Forget "Hibs men". Its hardly proved successful in the past. Making a farce of the "club legend" argument I can remember fans chanting "Stanton must go".
It never or ever will stop us calling Pat a "Hibs Legend" or Willie Ormond or Eddie Turnbull or Franck Sauzee.

So no more chancing it with a young coach. No ex Hibs men or coaches leaving us for Rotherham. It has to be a senior manager who will gain respect the minute he walks in the door. Gordon Strachan would be a great signing but I would be gobsmacked if he took it. There are many other guys of his ilk. We should push the boat out and give one of them a final project before they head off to sleep in front of the telly.

We need proven experience over many years. Someone who will not leave at the first call from the old firm or England. We need stability. Are we willing or able to pay for it? Over to Ronald and Leeann.

 

[wrighty]

Lots of contradiction all through this thread!

We have already tried “all of the above”,

young or new managers such as Collins, Le God, Stubbs. Older managers with Scottish experience, who can forget Butcher or Williamson and the sparkling brand of football we played under those guys.

Give the manager a longer contract or time to deliver - Alex Miller - one cup and nine years of misery.

Don’t think there is a right answer, LD has got to go with who they think is best and there is a 50% chance she will get it right and 100% chance she will get the blame if it goes wrong.

 

[The Family]

Seemingly Jack Ross's assistant Fowler has been at our last two games.

 

[vasco de gama]

I also get your point, but how many chances do we give them? If we really want to progress then we have to bring in better quality, not easy I know but maybe Ron may just open up his wallet to show us fans what his real intent is, hopefully.

Presumably 2 chances. They’ve failed the first chance. The second chance starts now and lasts to the next transfer window.

 

[emerald green]

Seemingly Jack Ross's assistant Fowler has been at our last two games.

Aye, its gathering momentum...

 

[Hibees-Mad]

Aye, its gathering momentum...

He only lost 10 games out of 75 as Sunderland manager? Didn't know that....decent stat

 

[emerald green]

He only lost 10 games out of 75 as Sunderland manager? Didn't know that....decent stat

Seems the draws lost him his job. He certainly steadied the ship at Scumderland.

 

[The Family]

TBH a lot of people have slagged his time at Sunderland - 50% isn't that bad, other managers failed in England but were successful here. I would like Stubbs to come in until the summer then review things from there.

 

[Purple & Green]

If Barnsley want heckingbottom, he’ll need a deal sharpish

 

[Jack]

I've been thinking more about the 'relieved of duties' verses being sacked.

A sacked PHB would receive any and all of the compensation due immediately.

By going on gardening leave there's always the chance that he'll pick up another job during the period of leave therefore the amount paid to him will be less.

Well done Hibs if this is what's happening.

 

[Ryan69]

Seems the draws lost him his job. He certainly steadied the ship at Scumderland.

His resources were onpar with Celtic and The Rangers in comparison to the rest in that league.
That would be pretty poor for them.

Im pretty sure the draw percentage was very very high.

 

[stickyRicky]

Seemingly Jack Ross's assistant Fowler has been at our last two games.

Please not them. I'd take you're beloved Stubbs before Jack Ross.