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Aye but dafties like AOC are lost without the word Fascist.

It's all encompassing.

Folk they don't agree with? Fascists.

Folk they do agree with but maybe think a wee bit different? Fascist outlook.

Bizzies? Fascist.

Poor white folks? Basket of deplorable Fascists.

Folk who believe in free speech? Fascists.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Aye but dafties like AOC are lost without the word Fascist.

It's all encompassing.

Folk they don't agree with? Fascists.

Folk they do agree with but maybe think a wee bit different? Fascist outlook.

Bizzies? Fascist.

Poor white folks? Basket of deplorable Fascists.

Folk who believe in free speech? Fascists.
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Objectively, the democrats are closer to fascism, and indeed that’s where it’s american sympathisers we’re mainly to be found when fascism was a thing.

They’re not fascists - even now - but statism, identity politics, ideological indoctrination of the youth through education, integration with big business and the security apparatus….

In any case, as far as AOC goes, the urgent thing for American is that the democrat dog stops being wagged by the hard left tail she is part of.
 
Smurf said:
Nervous times ahead most certainly. I don't think anyone really knows how the next 4 year's will be. One things for sure whereas here in the UK Starmer keeps telling us "Change is coming..." over the pond by close of play on day one they'll know change has arrived.
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Nervous times for those who have a voice. It’s been a nervous 30 years for those who don’t.

Your last point is well made. A new world is perhaps coming, in a radical break from the corporatist, globalist consensus that has used toxic identity politics to batter the plebs into an exploitable mulch.

It’s genuinely unpredictable; we may see a triumphal rebirth of freedom and a reduction in gross inequality, as well as stabilisation of the incredibly dangerous world created by progressive foreign policy.

Or we may see a crazed Nero accelerating the destruction his opponents have wrought.

As ever, America for all its ills remains in tremendous nick by European standards, whichever party is in control. The stakes are high for the US here, but they are a lot higher for Europe. The sclerotic and decadent euro elite so well personified by Starmer may look and sound sober compared to Trump, but unfortunately they are leading us into disaster.
 
Heard his speech last night and thought it was a parody to begin with.

Vacuous tittle tattle with zero substance.

That’s what the American people want though.
 
Purple & Green said:
Heard his speech last night and thought it was a parody to begin with.

Vacuous tittle tattle with zero substance.

That’s what the American people want though.
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Exactly. They voted for Trump and he won.

All the wailing in the world won't change the result.
 
Purple & Green said:
Heard his speech last night and thought it was a parody to begin with.

Vacuous tittle tattle with zero substance.

That’s what the American people want though.
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I suspect that by this time tomorrow, we won’t be short on substance!

The American people I think want an end to the politics of hatred, division - and at times outright insanity - which have allowed wealth to be funnelled up to the democrat’s core constituency. Whether they get that, time will tell. A last chance saloon, all in kinda bet I think.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Exactly. They voted for Trump and he won.

All the wailing in the world won't change the result.
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A worldview is collapsing Jimmy, people are going to be upset.

The court of Versailles is simultaneously having to get their head round an advancing mob of really quite irked peasants while also having to face into the ‘are we the baddies?’ question (and dahlinks, there is an inescapable answer to that one).

I’m not sure purple and green is wailing though? Unless he’s been playing a blinder for decades I’m not sure he’s a fabulously rich American!
 
Plus Trump knows how to push the buttons to get a reaction.

A bit like Khan down in London does.

The world now waits to see what Trump will do.

The world wouldn't give a toss if it was Biden.
 
Well I'm sure the nations in the EU will have a committee to form a working party of all 27 nations to see about a committee who will then wonder why no fucker takes them seriously anymore.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Plus Trump knows how to push the buttons to get a reaction.

A bit like Khan down in London does.

The world now waits to see what Trump will do.

The world wouldn't give a toss if it was Biden.
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Spare a thought for Russia, China, Iran and others who depended on Biden and Obama to empower them so much over recent times. It’s a sad day for many of the worlds despots.
 
Purple & Green said:
Heard his speech last night and thought it was a parody to begin with.

Vacuous tittle tattle with zero substance.

That’s what the American people want though.
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I get your point but Trump never has made a speech of substance. He uses these speeches to motivate the base.

Our party leaders spend months (they actually do) on their party political conference speeches. They try to sound deep in thought with some outlook and vision. Then they get office without a clue what to do. Like Labour now setting up commissions, reports, investigations on just about everything to report back in 3 years. I mean WTF were they doing in opposition. Blair made the same mistake 97-01.

For all their faults at least Thatcher came in 79 and Cameron/Osborne in 10 knowing exactly what they wanted to do.

I suspect Trump and his mob know exactly what they're going to do....
 
Smurf said:
I get your point but Trump never has made a speech of substance. He uses these speeches to motivate the base.

Our party leaders spend months (they actually do) on their party political conference speeches. They try to sound deep in thought with some outlook and vision. Then they get office without a clue what to do. Like Labour now setting up commissions, reports, investigations on just about everything to report back in 3 years. I mean WTF were they doing in opposition. Blair made the same mistake 97-01.

For all their faults at least Thatcher came in 79 and Cameron/Osborne in 10 knowing exactly what they wanted to do.

I suspect Trump and his mob know exactly what they're going to do....
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Yup. Words and actions are not the same thing. The dominance of academia and journalists who have never actually done anything, perhaps contributes to confusion between the two.

If dozens of executive orders land today which among other things draw a line under the crazed woke imperium, I think people will find they have all the substance they can eat.

You paid closer attention to Blair than I, but your reminder here is jarring to my memory. Tbf to him he was the most ruthless and radical PM we’ve had in living memory, perhaps Thatcher aside. My recollection was they hit the ground running, but maybe it wasn’t until their second term (which is certainly when shit got really ruinous)?

In some ways what might be torn down starting today goes back to the serpentine Anthony, although more obviously slick Willie Clinton. But I can’t remember the latter being so obviously intent on wrecking society due to crazed ideology rather than just to make the rich richer ?
 
emerald green said:
Nice try. You really that desperate?
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It’s what happened in the world. A combination of colossal hubris and manifest weakness let the dogs out. They’ll be a bit more nervous today.

Why would I be desperate ? I am not threatened by reality. I have no narrative at stake here.
 
Anyone who tries to improve the lives of workers is worth voting for in my opinion.
 
egb_hibs said:
Yup. Words and actions are not the same thing. The dominance of academia and journalists who have never actually done anything, perhaps contributes to confusion between the two.

If dozens of executive orders land today which among other things draw a line under the crazed woke imperium, I think people will find they have all the substance they can eat.

You paid closer attention to Blair than I, but your reminder here is jarring to my memory. Tbf to him he was the most ruthless and radical PM we’ve had in living memory, perhaps Thatcher aside. My recollection was they hit the ground running, but maybe it wasn’t until their second term (which is certainly when shit got really ruinous)?

In some ways what might be torn down starting today goes back to the serpentine Anthony, although more obviously slick Willie Clinton. But I can’t remember the latter being so obviously intent on wrecking society due to crazed ideology rather than just to make the rich richer ?
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I think Blair felt that he wasn't at all radical in changing public services etc in his first term. Apparently he feels it was a squandered opportunity with such a big majority. Huge sums were put into public services with little reform.

www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk

What Keir Starmer can learn from Blair’s first 100 days - Future Governance Forum

With Labour’s mandate looking set to rival Blair’s unprecedented 1997 result, the pressure to start delivering in the first 100 days will be immense.
www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk
 
emerald green said:
it did?
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Yep. And I can speak from personal experience. Us Brothers of the Brush went from 'pays national minimum wage' to roughly a £150 a day. That's self employed or agency to be fair.

Working directive between the union and bosses are less but you get sick pay and holiday pay.
 
emerald green said:
it did?
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Not just Jimmy. Working class wages rose like they hadn't in forever.

Which is why Boris Johnson liberalised immigration requirements to replace EU workers with hitherto unprecedented volumes from elsewhere.

In short, on this front Brexit delivered exactly what those who voted for it sought and which it quite obviously was going to, despite various big lies.

They were then betrayed - quelle surprise - by the tories who want cheap labour as they are the party of capital.

That is why the tories are now in the wilderness
 
Yep they got rid of east European building trade workers and brought in low or no skilled folk from elsewhere.

But I look at Brexit from the building trade point of view.
 
Smurf said:
I think Blair felt that he wasn't at all radical in changing public services etc in his first term. Apparently he feels it was a squandered opportunity with such a big majority. Huge sums were put into public services with little reform.

www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk

What Keir Starmer can learn from Blair’s first 100 days - Future Governance Forum

With Labour’s mandate looking set to rival Blair’s unprecedented 1997 result, the pressure to start delivering in the first 100 days will be immense.
www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk www.futuregovernanceforum.co.uk
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You can say that again. That’s when the economic beggarment of the countriy, the ruination of pensions et al, began to get sacrificed on that altar. I remember saying on here these were 50 or 100 year problems they were creating and it doesn’t look any different now.

The reform bit feels a bit revisionist? I can’t remember it mattering as much at the time when they were hosing client groups in cash from the banking casino?

Poor old Reeves doesn’t have the latitude to do likewise but seems intent on it anyway. When all you have is a hammer….perhaps.
 
From the grauniad 🤣🤣🤣🤣 an 'attempted uprising'. A couple of hundred folk out of a population of 334.9 million (2023)....


Over the years, however, a lot of ceremony has accrued to the event, which the incoming president has been keen to embrace in full, in contrast to Biden’s inauguration four years ago, which took place during the Covid pandemic and in the wake of the January 6 attempted uprising.
 
🤣🤣🤣🤣 what an arsehole......


Over the weekend Sadiq Khan got a lot of attention for equating Trump’s election to the return of fascism:

“We should be in no doubt, this is a perilous moment. The spectre of a resurgent fascism haunts the West … To ward off the far-right, we must be unflinching in defence of our democracy and values, and in our determination to enhance the welfare and material conditions of our communities.”
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Now less than 48 hours after Khan’s origial Observer article came out, he is briefing in somewhat of a different tone:

“Sir Sadiq said as somebody ‘who believes in democracy, and voting and elections, we should recognise the fact that Donald Trump is the elected President of the United States’. And he insisted he now ‘wanted to work closely with the American President’. But he added: ‘Let’s keep our fingers crossed that this president is different from the last time he was president.'”
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EH17 Jimmy said:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 what an arsehole....


Over the weekend Sadiq Khan got a lot of attention for equating Trump’s election to the return of fascism:



Now less than 48 hours after Khan’s origial Observer article came out, he is briefing in somewhat of a different tone:
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If ever there was an obvious ’Shut the fuck up’ moment.
The orange twat is threatening to destroy the uk economy if we don’t play by his rules and labour mouthpieces better learn that very quickly. The US may be a military and intelligence sharing ally but is no friend of Britain. Even more so now
 
Yep they shout we jump.

Khan is a fuckin idiot though.

I think president the Donald is going to slap the UK government about for a while.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Starmer is fucked mate. He won't see the year out as PM.
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I don’t think there’s a straw big enough for a Labour government here to suck up to Trump although the alternative doesn’t fill me with excitement either.
 
Starmer looks like a rabbit caught in headlights. I think he cannot comprehend that folk think he is useless.

It's beyond him that folk never voted Labour because of their policies, because they had none, they voted against the hated Tories.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Starmer looks like a rabbit caught in headlights. I think he cannot comprehend that folk think he is useless.

It's beyond him that folk never voted Labour because of their policies, because they had none, they voted against the hated Tories.
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what, all of them?
 
Ok EG I concede that maybe no them all but quite a lot.

Is that better?
 
Anyone who wants to avoid that cvunt Trump's speech, there's an important episode of Last of the Summer Wine on at the moment.
 
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