Strikes,Facts Figures Updates

Not just the increased age, but how it's been forced through parliament. The government don't have an overall majority and were probably going to lose the vote so they used clause 49.3, which permits the government to force through legislation, without a vote, to ensure the stability of the country.

The French are big on democracy so this isn't something they'll accept without a fight.
I think it probably is more to do with being forced through Parliament. But the reality is people live longer and while it sucks having to wait till 67 to retire here if you do not have a good enough retirement fund to take an early break, France are probably pushing things at 60. Potentially a whole lot of people could be receiving pensions for well over 20 years which is fine if the pot is strong, I suspect though the pension funds have never been invested wisely.
 
I think it probably is more to do with being forced through Parliament. But the reality is people live longer and while it sucks having to wait till 67 to retire here if you do not have a good enough retirement fund to take an early break, France are probably pushing things at 60. Potentially a whole lot of people could be receiving pensions for well over 20 years which is fine if the pot is strong, I suspect though the pension funds have never been invested wisely.
State pensions aren't paid from pots or investments, they're paid from general taxation.
 
State pensions aren't paid from pots or investments, they're paid from general taxation.
Pretty poor retirement if you rely on state pension.
The French folk don’t realise how lucky they are retiring early, and I think at a higher rate.
Also the wine is cheaper and better quality.
 
Pretty poor retirement if you rely on state pension.
The French folk don’t realise how lucky they are retiring early, and I think at a higher rate.
Also the wine is cheaper and better quality.
I don't disagree but there always seems to be a notion that people "save" into a state pension for decades. They don't, there is no pot, no investments. They're being paid by current taxpayers.
 
I don't disagree but there always seems to be a notion that people "save" into a state pension for decades. They don't, there is no pot, no investments. They're being paid by current taxpayers.
Spot on.
My pension, and that of a fair number of Bouncers will be paid for by the teenagers like Ryan69 and and Timberwolf. Assuming they are gainfully employed and not simply in the secure room down the corridor.
It’s heartening to think my Horlicks is paid for by retards and fuckwits.


Would be nice to up the quota of nappies though.

Asking for a friend obviously.
 
Spot on.
My pension, and that of a fair number of Bouncers will be paid for by the teenagers like Ryan69 and and Timberwolf. Assuming they are gainfully employed and not simply in the secure room down the corridor.
It’s heartening to think my Horlicks is paid for by retards and fuckwits.


Would be nice to up the quota of nappies though.

Asking for a friend obviously.
'Tis the privilege of my days to be paying for your Tena supplies Doc, I hope the young uns will feel as proud when they're paying for mine. Solidarity with the leaky elder statesmen 👊
 
I think it probably is more to do with being forced through Parliament. But the reality is people live longer and while it sucks having to wait till 67 to retire here if you do not have a good enough retirement fund to take an early break, France are probably pushing things at 60. Potentially a whole lot of people could be receiving pensions for well over 20 years which is fine if the pot is strong, I suspect though the pension funds have never been invested wisely.
The retirement age is (was) 62 here, with the change increasing it to 64. However there are other calculations that come in to play - roughly speaking you have to work 42 years qualify for a full state pension.
 
My pension has went up by 11% ( prob to try and keep pensioners onside, devious as feck ) , but I genuinely feel for the strikers who are struggling and can’t get a reasonable pay rise, thanks to the shackling from the tory arseholes 😡
 
My pension has went up by 11% ( prob to try and keep pensioners onside, devious as feck ) , but I genuinely feel for the strikers who are struggling and can’t get a reasonable pay rise, thanks to the shackling from the tory arseholes 😡
Like all those teachers having to use foodbanks ?
 
The labour party under the leadership of Stalmer have had multiple opportunities to show up the tories for what they are, but failed miserably 🤔
 
Not what i'm on about though , why lie to try to get more money ? of all the people living hand to mouth teachers are very unlikely to be among them . Lots of people earn a lot less but aren't in a position to hold the gov to ransom
 
I remember waaaay back at the beginning of the post the tories were arguing 'big pay rises push up inflation' a few weeks down the line 'unison recommend a payment and a rise of roughly 5% because inflation is about to fall' so the pay rises I was quoting of around 15% haven't pushed up inflation,it was always a big lie.
 
So who is the scottish gov that the teachers were demanding a rise from ?
I was referring to westminsters handling of strikes in the last 6 months. You’ll find the scottish govt has handled them a tad better, as they usually do with everything including covid
 
I was referring to westminsters handling of strikes in the last 6 months. You’ll find the scottish govt has handled them a tad better, as they usually do with everything including covid
I wouldnt say anyone handled covid well which probably isn't that surprising and as far as i know strikes involving those paid by the gov tend to end with a pay rise ? Anyway lets see how they handle the current implosion cos think we'll have bigger problems in the near future
 
I wouldnt say anyone handled covid well which probably isn't that surprising and as far as i know strikes involving those paid by the gov tend to end with a pay rise ? Anyway lets see how they handle the current implosion cos think we'll have bigger problems in the near future
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when it was looking like independence was a possibility, we should have pressed for more devolved powers, probably too late now 😩
 
Macron's minority government forced through the increase in retirement age without a vote at the end of last week. Today there are votes on 2 "motions de censure" against this disregard for democracy. If either motion is passed, the government collapses.

The French equivalent of the Tory party have instructed their MPs to abstain, meaning the legislation will probably stand. Their reason? - even if they're against the legislation, they refuse to side with the minority parties.

MPs are voted in to represent their constituents. Abstaining is a total lack of respect, especially in this case. Vote for or against, but do your fucking jobs!
 
Macron's minority government forced through the increase in retirement age without a vote at the end of last week. Today there are votes on 2 "motions de censure" against this disregard for democracy. If either motion is passed, the government collapses.

The French equivalent of the Tory party have instructed their MPs to abstain, meaning the legislation will probably stand. Their reason? - even if they're against the legislation, they refuse to side with the minority parties.

MPs are voted in to represent their constituents. Abstaining is a total lack of respect, especially in this case. Vote for or against, but do your fucking jobs!
That kind of thing really pisses me off
 
Macron's minority government forced through the increase in retirement age without a vote at the end of last week. Today there are votes on 2 "motions de censure" against this disregard for democracy. If either motion is passed, the government collapses.

The French equivalent of the Tory party have instructed their MPs to abstain, meaning the legislation will probably stand. Their reason? - even if they're against the legislation, they refuse to side with the minority parties.

MPs are voted in to represent their constituents. Abstaining is a total lack of respect, especially in this case. Vote for or against, but do your fucking jobs!
There really needs to be a rule where they have to vote, abstaining shouldnt be an option.
 
Macron's minority government forced through the increase in retirement age without a vote at the end of last week. Today there are votes on 2 "motions de censure" against this disregard for democracy. If either motion is passed, the government collapses.

The French equivalent of the Tory party have instructed their MPs to abstain, meaning the legislation will probably stand. Their reason? - even if they're against the legislation, they refuse to side with the minority parties.

MPs are voted in to represent their constituents. Abstaining is a total lack of respect, especially in this case. Vote for or against, but do your fucking jobs!
Seems a weird thing to use special powers to push through, what's the urgency? Just to balance finances or is there more to it than that?
 
Seems a weird thing to use special powers to push through, what's the urgency? Just to balance finances or is there more to it than that?
Talk of reforming the retirement age and conditions has been ongoing for years. It was on Macron's to-do list when covid struck so it was obviously put on the back burner.

Macron's economists are predicting long-term financial disaster unless things change. Other parties are saying that that's not the case.

Ever the populist, Marine Le Pen is going to stand in the next presidential election (2027) on a retirement at 60 ticket.

The clause (49.3) used to force through the legislation without a vote is meant to ensure the ongoing stability of the country. IIRC this is the 6th time the government has used this clause since December!

Marine & the NF are submitting another motion tomorrow to effectively take the whole thing to a higher court (the Constitutional Council). I'm not totally sure what this could mean, but they may have the power to put the legislation to a referendum (although I may have picked things up all wrong).
 
Looks like the RMT have settled a deal.Doesn't look particularly good to me,but then I've not been out on strike for seven months.
 
Looks like the RMT have settled a deal.Doesn't look particularly good to me,but then I've not been out on strike for seven months.
I believe thats a deal for the signalmen, maintenance workers, they are still in disput with the railway companies regarding drivers/ ticket/ platform staff.
 
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Talk of reforming the retirement age and conditions has been ongoing for years. It was on Macron's to-do list when covid struck so it was obviously put on the back burner.

Macron's economists are predicting long-term financial disaster unless things change. Other parties are saying that that's not the case.

Ever the populist, Marine Le Pen is going to stand in the next presidential election (2027) on a retirement at 60 ticket.

The clause (49.3) used to force through the legislation without a vote is meant to ensure the ongoing stability of the country. IIRC this is the 6th time the government has used this clause since December!

Marine & the NF are submitting another motion tomorrow to effectively take the whole thing to a higher court (the Constitutional Council). I'm not totally sure what this could mean, but they may have the power to put the legislation to a referendum (although I may have picked things up all wrong).
Good luck with retirement at 60. When these original laws were passed the average age was probably about 55 for most manual workers like miners, engineers etc. Nowadays plenty people are living well into their 80's and with falling birthrates and the take over of machines, where is the taxes coming from to pay these taxes if people don't have private pensions?
 
Good luck with retirement at 60. When these original laws were passed the average age was probably about 55 for most manual workers like miners, engineers etc. Nowadays plenty people are living well into their 80's and with falling birthrates and the take over of machines, where is the taxes coming from to pay these taxes if people don't have private pensions?
The retirement at 60 is just Marine Le Pen promising the world in an effort to be elected.

I remember the last time her old man stood, a week before the presidential election he promised to increase speed limits by 10km/h and erase all penalty points that people had on their licence.

Getting back to pensions, I suspect something does have to change, but a minority government forcing change through without a vote was never going to go down well.
 
1400 workers are set to strike on the Oil Platforms.Members of the Unite Union could be striking for better pay and conditions.This is big because the UK still relies heavily on Oil and Gas.It includes big names like BP Shell and Petrofac.
 
1400 workers are set to strike on the Oil Platforms.Members of the Unite Union could be striking for better pay and conditions.This is big because the UK still relies heavily on Oil and Gas.It includes big names like BP Shell and Petrofac.
Fuck that , i got Shell diesel for under £1.60 a litre today the cheapest ive had in ages
 
Fuck that , i got Shell diesel for under £1.60 a litre today the cheapest ive had in ages
Last week I went to a garage in Kelso and it was about 153 9 for deisel..about 10p cheaper than Edinburgh
 
How is te Labour leadership expect to get votes in Scotland by quoting Thatcher ? She is still hated by me and almost everyone I know.