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What’s the goal of the strikes?

Sorry, to be fair I could probably look it up but I’m being a bit lazy.
 
Smurf said:
I'd imagine it's to avoid low paid workers getting a pay cut at the time of a cost of living crisis with huge inflation hurting the lower paid disproportionately...
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With wages quoted of most of those on strike i'm a positive pauper
 
Smurf said:
Media are deliberately quoting the higher end mate especially railway workers.
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Don't think many teachers or nurses will earn less than me yet many are having to use foodbanks according to their representatives , just seems a bit strange to me . I think all sides quote higher / lower end as suits them
 
I've pointed out strikes,and I've pointed out good victories and I've pointed out the advantages of joining a union,if you're suffering pauper wages I can't see what else I can do.
 
moathibby said:
I've pointed out strikes,and I've pointed out good victories and I've pointed out the advantages of joining a union,if you're suffering pauper wages I can't see what else I can do.
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Is that a reply to me ??? I'm not on pauper wages but i'm not using food banks either nor am i unable to go to work as i can't afford petrol . Pile of pish
 
moathibby said:
I've been saying what the strikes are about from post #1.
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You're quite right, my apologies for being flippant. Looking back through it's about class struggle, putting pressure on the tories, not accepting below inflation pay deals and building the vote for independence?

Engaging in good faith, if I was in your target audience I'd only be directly interested in one of those. I'd also be a bit annoyed if you co-opted my enthusiasm for that as support for two of the other three.
 
Smurf said:
I'd imagine it's to avoid low paid workers getting a pay cut at the time of a cost of living crisis with huge inflation hurting the lower paid disproportionately...
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To be fair that is not what Moaty is saying. I'd certainly agree with it if that was the sole goal.
 
Personally my own position on strikes can be found in Rosa Luxembourg's 'The Mass Strike' I would recommend it to anyone on the Bounce.
 
Scottish Government underspend of 2 Billion Pound last year. This should be used to give these public sector workers an increase. And it's criminal in these tough times the Scottish Government has two thousand million pounds lying about that they don't know what to do with it.
 
I see there are two independent enquiries into possible corruption in the unite union . So if they can’t suppress the unions with new laws, they’ll get them with trumped up charges 😡
 
joethehibby said:
I see there are two independent enquiries into possible corruption in the unite union . So if they can’t suppress the unions with new laws, they’ll get them with trumped up charges 😡
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Yup, I expect the Tories to fast track stuff through to stop protest, due to the amount of protest going on in the land of no money brexitland that they'll never admit to while some elitists make a fortune.
 
Coffin makers in the Co-op are now going on strike for a fair pay rise.Coffin makers members of the Unite Union want a pay rise.Lets face it with all this cost of living crisis they are bound to be busy if they haven't had a hard enough shift these last few years.
 
Norwayhibs said:
It’s a difficult one but I wish the squaddies tell them to gtf with filling in for striking workers.
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Why? I don't think having cover from the army weakens the union negotiating position particularly, it's not a long term solution anyway so the strike action will still be effective. I'm sure firefighters don't actually want our houses to burn down, they're on the same side as us.
 
If I remember rightly from the last FBU strike,firefighters actually turned out to really serious fires.
 
Rocky said:
Why? I don't think having cover from the army weakens the union negotiating position particularly, it's not a long term solution anyway so the strike action will still be effective. I'm sure firefighters don't actually want our houses to burn down, they're on the same side as us.
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I just think its a cop out by the government. By all means let the army drive the green godesses, drive ambulanses, check passport at airports, they will do their best, but is that really good enough. I just think we shouldnt be putting these lads in that position.
 
Building Workers who work at Edinburgh Mail Centre have refused to cross the picket line.Solidarity!
 
Smurf said:
Scottish Government underspend of 2 Billion Pound last year. This should be used to give these public sector workers an increase. And it's criminal in these tough times the Scottish Government has two thousand million pounds lying about that they don't know what to do with it.
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wow they should let my ex loose with their money, she will have it spent in record time
 
Listening to Dowden and all the rest of hem this morning...blaming the unions for asking for a pay rise to at least try to keep pace with inflation.
Here's the way forward mate...get round the fecking negotiating table and start talking !
That's how you resolve disputes. Not taking entrenched positions and blaming the other side.
The unions know they are never going to get the full rise they want, but they will get something which is acceptable to them in the current climate, but just sitting back ranting away at them is not going to solve this. Talking will. We got peace in Northern Ireland against all the odds when people with extreme entrenched views eventually sat down talked like grown adults, and got an agreement. Industrial disputes will only be solved by proper negotiations and compromises being reached.
I think the tories just want this to drag on and they don't care how many ordinary people are affected. They want to sit back and paint Labour as being the friends of the strikers to make them unpopular with the public. It won't work. Labour always should be backing unions in a dispute and backing working people. The Labour Party would never have came to be without the Trade Union movement.
 
Smurf said:
Scottish Government underspend of 2 Billion Pound last year. This should be used to give these public sector workers an increase. And it's criminal in these tough times the Scottish Government has two thousand million pounds lying about that they don't know what to do with it.
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Indeed.
They could at least fill in a bit of our legendary 'black hole' if its sitting doing nowt?
 
Greenmachine said:
Listening to Dowden and all the rest of hem this morning...blaming the unions for asking for a pay rise to at least try to keep pace with inflation.
Here's the way forward mate...get round the fecking negotiating table and start talking !
That's how you resolve disputes. Not taking entrenched positions and blaming the other side.
The unions know they are never going to get the full rise they want, but they will get something which is acceptable to them in the current climate, but just sitting back ranting away at them is not going to solve this. Talking will. We got peace in Northern Ireland against all the odds when people with extreme entrenched views eventually sat down talked like grown adults, and got an agreement. Industrial disputes will only be solved by proper negotiations and compromises being reached.
I think the tories just want this to drag on and they don't care how many ordinary people are affected. They want to sit back and paint Labour as being the friends of the strikers to make them unpopular with the public. It won't work. Labour always should be backing unions in a dispute and backing working people. The Labour Party would never have came to be without the Trade Union movement.
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Well, sort of. People I have encountered on the far - and not too far - ends of those discussions variously think

- that the IRA bombed their way into a qualified victory
- that the most successful interaction with the unions was crushing the miners strike.

So while I personally very much agree with your notions about being reasonable and measured, I’m not at all certain that were even a majority.
 
I have no doubt that this is absolutely now hugely political.

An on its knees finished worn out Tory government facing electoral defeat to a Labour/Lib Dem understanding sees an opportunity....

That opportunity is to have strikes. Lots of strikes. And the longer they go on the less sympathy the strikers get. It's why every Tory in the media tells us Labour is on the side of the "Union bosses".

The Tories want to weaponise the strikes to undermine the opposition and the credentials in the minds of the the key marginal seats in England.

Depressingly it just might work.
 
Smurf said:
I have no doubt that this is absolutely now hugely political.

An on its knees finished worn out Tory government facing electoral defeat to a Labour/Lib Dem understanding sees an opportunity....

That opportunity is to have strikes. Lots of strikes. And the longer they go on the less sympathy the strikers get. It's why every Tory in the media tells us Labour is on the side of the "Union bosses".

The Tories want to weaponise the strikes to undermine the opposition and the credentials in the minds of the the key marginal seats in England.

Depressingly it just might work.
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There's every chance it will work, because not enough of the British electorate realise they're being played or understand the importance of actually getting out and voting.
 
ILHTD said:
There's every chance it will work, because not enough of the British electorate realise they're being played or understand the importance of actually getting out and voting.
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True. And we are getting used to being told how to think.
 
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