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Findlayhibby said:
The mass murders are the IDF.Lowest estimates since the 7th October over 40 thousand dead in Gaza.A report in the Lancet had it at a hundred thousand more.Let's not pretend it started in the 7th either.It's been going on since 1948.But as usual you and your Starmerite leaders refuse to call it a Genocide.Starmer and the rest of the Labour party have blood on their hands.
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Since 637 AD one could argue
 
Israeli hostages looking like they've really been put through the mill -https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/hostage-release-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-live-updates-rcna189091
 
Findlayhibby said:
Israeli hostages looking like they've really been put through the mill -https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/live-blog/hostage-release-israel-hamas-ceasefire-deal-live-updates-rcna189091
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Before I click through is this murdered / raped corpses or one of the PR jobs? I seem to remember this chat about earlier ‘happy’ hostages. Who turned out to be doped up and threatened that their behaviour would affect those left behind.

Follow the leader though.
 
Findlayhibby said:
The mass murders are the IDF.Lowest estimates since the 7th October over 40 thousand dead in Gaza.A report in the Lancet had it at a hundred thousand more.Let's not pretend it started in the 7th either.It's been going on since 1948.But as usual you and your Starmerite leaders refuse to call it a Genocide.Starmer and the rest of the Labour party have blood on their hands.
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The only 'side' I have in all of this is humanity. The slaughter on BOTH sides for so long has been horrendous. The value of life on both sides is equal to me. And on BOTH sides for too long there's been suffering of innocents. The leadership on BOTH sides is horrendous who ultimately have other concerns than that of those they supposedly represent.
 
Meanwhile Trump calls for ethnic cleansing in all but name.If this was the Highland Clearances you'd all be up in arms.
 
Findlayhibby said:
No it all started in 1948 when Israel illegally occupied Palestine and started the Nakba.The ethnic cleansing of Palestine.
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We could go over the history again but you dont care do you Findlay?

This is where identity politics takes us. Or takes your Comrades/ kamerads every single time.
 
Is John Swinney correct to argue that what Trump and Netanyahu are proposing in Gaza is ethnic cleansing? (hint - the answer is yes)

are Labour right to not to offer no view? (answer = no)

www.bbc.co.uk

Swinney attacks Trump's Gaza 'take over' plans as 'ethnic cleansing'

The first minister says the idea Palestinians should be removed from Gaza is "unacceptable and dangerous".
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Looks like all hell is going to break loose with Hamas saying it won't be releasing more hostages this weekend. Trump now saying all remaining hostages are to be released this weekend or Israel should "...let all hell breakout". Trump makes a good point that with the hostages released looking terribly unwell and frail the others that are still alive are probably in an even worst state. Pretty brutal what these hostages have been subjected to physically and mentally.
 
Smurf said:
Looks like all hell is going to break loose with Hamas saying it won't be releasing more hostages this weekend. Trump now saying all remaining hostages are to be released this weekend or Israel should "...let all hell breakout". Trump makes a good point that with the hostages released looking terribly unwell and frail the others that are still alive are probably in an even worst state. Pretty brutal what these hostages have been subjected to physically and mentally.
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Every Saturday I'm at the counter at work, and it's like an awards show handing the hostages. Brutal stuff.

Is prolonging the releases just a way to buy time? Or to guarantee Israel don't come in heavy a day later? Once they've all been released.
 
Smurf said:
Looks like all hell is going to break loose with Hamas saying it won't be releasing more hostages this weekend. Trump now saying all remaining hostages are to be released this weekend or Israel should "...let all hell breakout". Trump makes a good point that with the hostages released looking terribly unwell and frail the others that are still alive are probably in an even worst state. Pretty brutal what these hostages have been subjected to physically and mentally.
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I seem to recall much talk of how well previous hostages looked. I think a bit of naïveté at work there. It’s not at all impossible they are basically releasing them in order of how not completely fucked they are, and some may have been all along kept better in anticipation of parading them in front of the media.

The fact that a hostage claims to have been kept within a UNRWA facility will, I assume, also be more surprising to some than to others.
 
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For anyone at risk of taking UN pronunciations too seriously, a little peek at how those are arrived it. In a nutshell pillorying then getting rid of those that don’t go along.

“Last November, United Nations Secretary-General António Guterres declined to renew the contract of UN Special Adviser on the Prevention of Genocide Alice Wairimu Nderitu, who did not label Israel’s war against Hamas a genocide, even while other UN officials have either done so or released reports which make this claim.

On November 26, an editorial in The Wall Street Journal cast Nderitu’s ousting as part of an unofficial UN campaign against the Jewish state and called her “refusal to endorse a lie in service of a political agenda” a “profile in courage.”

But it wasn’t until last week, after attending Monday’s 80th commemoration of the liberation of Auschwitz in Poland, on the site where more than 1.1 million people, the vast majority of them Jews, were murdered in the Holocaust, that Nderitu decided to tell the story of her contentious UN tenure.

“This push that I should say that there’s a genocide going on in Gaza? They knew that I’m not a court of law, and it’s only a court of law that can determine whether a genocide has happened,” Nderitu said in an exclusive interview with Air Mail. “But I was hounded, day in, day out. Bullied, hounded, with protection from nobody.”

“It’s instructive that this never happened for any other war. Not for Ukraine, not for Sudan, not for DRC [Democratic Republic of the Congo], not for Myanmar,” she said. “The focus was always Israel.”


www.thefp.com

She Stood Up for the Truth. Then the UN Fired Her.

Why was Alice Nderitu, the UN’s former special adviser on the prevention of genocide, ‘bullied and hounded’ out of her job? Air Mail’s Johanna Berkman reports.
www.thefp.com www.thefp.com
 
Hammi said:
Every Saturday I'm at the counter at work, and it's like an awards show handing the hostages. Brutal stuff.

Is prolonging the releases just a way to buy time? Or to guarantee Israel don't come in heavy a day later? Once they've all been released.
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It's horrific and sadly it'll be innocent Palestinians that'll again pay the price.
 
Hammi said:
Every Saturday I'm at the counter at work, and it's like an awards show handing the hostages. Brutal stuff.

Is prolonging the releases just a way to buy time? Or to guarantee Israel don't come in heavy a day later? Once they've all been released.
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Sadly it’s not impossible they’re busy feeding and patching them up before they go before the cameras.
 
Smurf said:
Looks like all hell is going to break loose with Hamas saying it won't be releasing more hostages this weekend. Trump now saying all remaining hostages are to be released this weekend or Israel should "...let all hell breakout". Trump makes a good point that with the hostages released looking terribly unwell and frail the others that are still alive are probably in an even worst state. Pretty brutal what these hostages have been subjected to physically and mentally.
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Was gonni post Trumps statement on the other thread. Was Trump talking about both sides hostages? I hope Hamas release the rest but as they have shown they dinnae care if innocents get killed.
 
egb_hibs said:
Sadly it’s not impossible they’re busy feeding and patching them up before they go before the cameras.
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How anyone can support them in how they treat their own, let alone poor hostages seized in horrific acts of barbarism completely mystifies me. They're a death cult.
 
Smurf said:
Looks like all hell is going to break loose with Hamas saying it won't be releasing more hostages this weekend. Trump now saying all remaining hostages are to be released this weekend or Israel should "...let all hell breakout". Trump makes a good point that with the hostages released looking terribly unwell and frail the others that are still alive are probably in an even worst state. Pretty brutal what these hostages have been subjected to physically and mentally.
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Hamas are saying that because they say Israel has broken the cease-fire agreement. Trump has picked a date and time out of his arse and decided it's "a great time" He's an arse who is only interested in appeasing his new war criminal pal and the murderous Israeli regime.
 
Smurf said:
How anyone can support them in how they treat their own, let alone poor hostages seized in horrific acts of barbarism completely mystifies me. They're a death cult.
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Yeah because the Palestinian prisoners handed back all look like they had a great time in captivity. Is Israel also a death cult or does that only work one way Kenny?
 
Smurf said:
How anyone can support them in how they treat their own, let alone poor hostages seized in horrific acts of barbarism completely mystifies me. They're a death cult.
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Dont try and separate the abrahamic religions. ALL of them are about the next life.

A war needs to happen between Edom and Ishmael as ultimately, the weakening of these two will pave the way for Israel to fulfill its divine purpose, sanctify gods name and usher in the messiah
 
emerald green said:
Dont try and separate the abrahamic religions. ALL of them are about the next life.

A war needs to happen between Edom and Ishmael as ultimately, the weakening of these two will pave the way for Israel to fulfill its divine purpose, sanctify gods name and usher in the messiah
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In other words; don’t try to introduce reason @Smurf, it is too much for the religious convictions of some to bear.
 
There is a strong argument that the most prominent death cult of our day is actually the western one, whatever you wish to call it.

It’s the one which is choosing against life and self extinguishing, while Islam positively teems with it and is thriving. That said, I absolutely agree that Islamism is a death cult. Your attempts to make everything as you would like it to be, though? I’m afraid not.
 
Dub said:
Yeah because the Palestinian prisoners handed back all look like they had a great time in captivity. Is Israel also a death cult or does that only work one way Kenny?
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Israel doesn’t offer up its own children as a human sacrifice, nor is it entirely happy for them to be killed.

That is why Hamas is a death cult. It’s not the same as being a ruthless and brutal protagonist in a war.
 
egb_hibs said:
There is a strong argument that the most prominent death cult of our day is actually the western one, whatever you wish to call it.

It’s the one which is choosing against life and self extinguishing, while Islam positively teems with it and is thriving. That said, I absolutely agree that Islamism is a death cult. Your attempts to make everything as you would like it to be, though? I’m afraid not.
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Youre version is all about the afterlife also. That you dont think so is neither here nor there. Those 3 religions, of which youll die on the cross for your version of it, are fundamentally the same

What death cult are you slavering about in respect of "the western one" (thats your wee thread to take the convo away from what you dont like. I love fighting your agenda. Its a hoot)
 
emerald green said:
Youre version is all about the afterlife also. That you dont think so is neither here nor there. Those 3 religions, of which youll die on the cross for your version of it, are fundamentally the same
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No they are very different and a belief in an afterlife shared by Christianity and Islam and some sections of Judaism doesn’t change it.

The evidence is all around you and throughout history. It’s in diametrically different core principles that go right to the start and have produced those different histories.

Simplicity might have it’s appeal, but I’m afraid it doesn’t make it true.
emerald green said:
What death cult are you slavering about in respect of "the western one" (thats your wee thread to take the convo away from what you dont like. I love fighting your agenda. Its a hoot)
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I’m contrasting civilisations; charges that Islam, as opposed to Islamism, is a death cult, do have the problem that it is bustling with life.

Western society is, in contrast, choosing against it. So much so we rely on it and others to delay us dying out. Looked at that way, are they really the most prominent death cult?

I’m not taking anything away from ‘what I don’t like’. It’s not me who is uncomfortable with reality and complexity.
 
Dub said:
Yeah because the Palestinian prisoners handed back all look like they had a great time in captivity. Is Israel also a death cult or does that only work one way Kenny?
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Are Palestinians in jail (many for acts of murder and brutality) now just the same as totally innocent hostages brutally captured in October 2023? It isn't comparing apples with apples.

Why the fuck is it whenever you condemn any violence perpetrated against Israeli's all you ever get is "...but what about what Israel is doing....".

I find it utterly embarrassing that so many in the UK find that always condemning Israel and seeking to understand Palestinian acts of terror is the way to confirm some progressive left wing position. It's at times pretty embarrassing (not you personally I may add @Dub

There's horrendous crimes being committed on both sides. The Israeli response to October 2023 is horrendous and disproportionate. However, if any of my loved ones were being held against their will my response too would be horrendous and disproportionate. Snatching innocent hostages and retaining them for this length of time is an act of barbarism. Comparing it to those in Israeli jails absurd.
 
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Smurf said:
Are Palestinians in jail (many for acts of murder and brutality) now just the same as totally innocent hostages brutally captured in October 2023? It isn't comparing apples with apples.

Why the fuck is it whenever you condemn any violence perpetrated against Israeli's all you ever get is "...but what about what Israel is doing....".

I find it utterly embarrassing that so many in the UK find that always condemning Israel and seeking to understand Palestinian acts of terror is the way to confirm some progressive left wing position. It's at times pretty embarrassing (not you personally I may add @Dub

There's horrendous crimes being committed on both sides. The Israeli response to October 2023 is horrendous and disproportionate. However, if any of my loved ones were being held against their will my response too would be horrendous and disproportionate. Snatching innocent hostages and retaining them for this length of time is an act of barbarism. Comparing it to those in Israeli jails absurd.
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I kind of agree - there's people who have been convicted of 'bad' things but there's also people who have been in jail for decades without trial who may be innocent or who may not be - we dont know. People accused of a range of things from terrorism to kids picked up for throwing a stone. detention without trial makes it hard to know if some of the Palestinians released are 'hostages' 'political prisoners' or 'criminals'
 
Can anyone figure out why US gives Israel $48 million a day?

I dread to think how much UK are contributing towards genocide.

But never mind....I'm sure Israel will also steal the natural gas supply just off the Gaza coast.
Maybe it can pay for their new beachfront properties in Gaza.

Disgusting ..absolutely fucking disgusting.


Gaza should remain closed,and derelict...as a sign of how disgusting some supposed human beings can be.


I did state I don't trust Trump now,as he received $100 million from APAIC.
 
egb_hibs said:
Israel doesn’t offer up its own children as a human sacrifice, nor is it entirely happy for them to be killed.

That is why Hamas is a death cult. It’s not the same as being a ruthless and brutal protagonist in a war.
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I'm not even going to bother with this to be honest given Israel's children are safely ensconsed behind walls while Palestinian kids are there for target practice whether Hamas is involved or not.
 
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