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joethehibby

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Whilst the snp is an avenue to independence they would appear to be making a complete erse of things like NHS Scotland ,and the justice system to name just two 🤷‍♂️
Watching first ministers questions Sturgeon doesn’t seem to have a reasonable answer to anything , the health minister seems to be a case in point 😩 thoughts ?
 
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joethehibby said:
While the snp is an avenue to independence they would appear to be making a complete erse of things like NHS Scotland ,and the justice system to name just two 🤷‍♂️
Watching first ministers questions Sturgeon doesn’t seem to have a reasonable answer to anything , the health minister seems to be a case in point 😩 thoughts ?
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While 😩
 
The SNP are simply a means to an end for me.
Get Indy then we have a chance for Scotland to vote and get a govt that WE choose to run our country for the first time… and if we don’t like them, we vote for someone else.. ad infinitum
 
There a a fair few SNP policies I disagree with,the Greens even more so BUT the only way Scotland will move forward and prosper is as an independent nation.
We need to be as far away from WM as possible and the SNP are the only show in town.
 
I could.understand the criticism of the NHS in other parts of the UK was doing any better , but it's not . By a long shot.
We can only spend the pocket money we receive on our services.
Like most are saying, the SNP are a means to an end . If we ever get independence , they will cease existence as a political force.
However, I think Sturgeon is the best politician in Britain, by a country mile.
For starters, she is honest, which in itself is unique in a politician.
The best the rest can offer up is Doogie "mammy boys" Ross 😀😀😀😀.. What a little slimy twat that is .
 
Hattie said:
The SNP are simply a means to an end for me.
Get Indy then we have a chance for Scotland to vote and get a govt that WE choose to run our country for the first time… and if we don’t like them, we vote for someone else.. ad infinitum
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Correct. :50:
 
The RIC back in the last referendum were prepaired to say and prepaired to work in places that the SNP just weren't ; in particular I would argue it pushed up the working class support for Indy and did wonders with the younger vote.
For instance it would unequivocably come out in favour of gender recognition something the SNP are getting their knickers in a twist over.We said fuck the monarchy something the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over.We said get out of Nato something else the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over and we say fuck the mysoginy of Alba something else the SNP can't or won't say.
 
To be fair the snp have distanced themselves from Alba.

I think it’s clear GRR is snp policy, and I expect todays dissenters to be drummed out.
 
I suspect GRR will rumble on and rumble on.Joanna Cherry my MP is one of those dissenters,not some small cheese.
 
moathibby said:
The RIC back in the last referendum were prepaired to say and prepaired to work in places that the SNP just weren't ; in particular I would argue it pushed up the working class support for Indy and did wonders with the younger vote.
For instance it would unequivocably come out in favour of gender recognition something the SNP are getting their knickers in a twist over.We said fuck the monarchy something the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over.We said get out of Nato something else the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over and we say fuck the mysoginy of Alba something else the SNP can't or won't say.
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Fuck sake moaty, you are an intelligent guy, you must understand how things work politically.
Independence is the aim. The nitty gritty can be sorted out , once we have tools to make our decisons.
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book ffs. I fail to see, how anyone living in Scotland who wants a left leaning government , would.support anything but independance. You sure ain't gonna get it any other way in our life time.
We can't fight all fronts at the same time. It's baby steps to get to where we need to be.
 
joethehibby said:
Whilst the snp is an avenue to independence they would appear to be making a complete erse of things like NHS Scotland ,and the justice system to name just two 🤷‍♂️
Watching first ministers questions Sturgeon doesn’t seem to have a reasonable answer to anything , the health minister seems to be a case in point 😩 thoughts ?
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I could prattle on about the NHS but will refrain at the moment at least.

What's this about the justice system? Not what Rushi Bawsack was on about I hope?
 
tayside hibee said:
Fuck sake moaty, you are an intelligent guy, you must understand how things work politically.
Independence is the aim. The nitty gritty can be sorted out , once we have tools to make our decisons.
Divide and conquer is the oldest trick in the book ffs. I fail to see, how anyone living in Scotland who wants a left leaning government , would.support anything but independance. You sure ain't gonna get it any other way in our life time.
We can't fight all fronts at the same time. It's baby steps to get to where we need to be.
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Guess what?We in the Radical Independence Campaign want Independence! Small steps?Stay in Nato-which the SNP 'want' which means a chunk of our spending- a big chunk gets spent on war machinery, threatning war and going to war- so no different from Brown and Blair.,more Vets (I'm not talking about the folk who fix your dug Joe) telling us this month how they lost both legs and an eye-to stabalise what?Afghanistan?the next hellish country?
We'll be told we have to keep King Charles,for what? Because we've got to put something on our stamps? Somebodie's got to open the next Poundland? Or will it be 'poond land'?
Small steps ?If you stay in Nato that means keeping USA owned nuclear arms in the Clyde. Keep the pound?Tie us to the Bank of England ERM why don't you? We're to stay schtoom about all this to get the vote in? Fuck that shit!
 
moathibby said:
Guess what?We in the Radical Independence Campaign want Independence! Small steps?Stay in Nato-which the SNP 'want' which means a chunk of our spending- a big chunk gets spent on war machinery, threatning war and going to war- so no different from Brown and Blair.,more Vets (I'm not talking about the folk who fix your dug Joe) telling us this month how they lost both legs and an eye-to stabalise what?Afghanistan?the next hellish country?
We'll be told we have to keep King Charles,for what? Because we've got to put something on our stamps? Somebodie's got to open the next Poundland? Or will it be 'poond land'?
Small steps ?If you stay in Nato that means keeping USA owned nuclear arms in the Clyde. Keep the pound?Tie us to the Bank of England ERM why don't you? We're to stay schtoom about all this to get the vote in? Fuck that shit!
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Your getting all that pish as it stands. Dosent matter what red or blue Tory you vote for .
Your not really getting this moaty are you? I think ,as long as you are in the minority you can go out and protest, you will.be secretly happy .
We.have basically been ruled by Tories , one colour or another , for 50 years. And you want to cause an issue , in our chance to change it..
I think , you confuse me 😋
 
Braehead Cabbage said:
There a a fair few SNP policies I disagree with,the Greens even more so BUT the only way Scotland will move forward and prosper is as an independent nation.
We need to be as far away from WM as possible and the SNP are the only show in town.
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Imagine Scotland outside the UK, outside the EU and stuck using another country’s currency while getting dictated to by the Bank of England. A small country trapped in the economic wilderness Sounds crap to me.
 
I live abroad so I'm not the most on the ball nationalist, however I think a fair few SNP MPs have gotten very comfortable with their Westminster salaries and have "gone native" so to speak, paying lip service to independence while enjoying the "banter" at PMQs for 80k a year.

I also think Andrew Wilson's paper on independence a few years back really took the wind out of the sails for many, austerity for 10 years at a level that would make George Osbourne blush had many thinking "what the F are we bothering for then?". The updated version doesn't suggest any further caution has been thrown to the wind and the position on the currency still has huge holes in it.

It's all gone a bit New Labourish for me but I'm still behind them as it's the only show in town for now.

Alba at the very least are working better than a Dyson at vacuuming the zoomers from the SNP.
 
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Hattie said:
The SNP are simply a means to an end for me.
Get Indy then we have a chance for Scotland to vote and get a govt that WE choose to run our country for the first time… and if we don’t like them, we vote for someone else.. ad infinitum
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If only everybody understood that. I think the SNP should be doing much more to get that message out there.
 
ILHTD said:
If only everybody understood that. I think the SNP should be doing much more to get that message out there.
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They have got the message out there. Brutal austerity and huge public spending cuts.
Put a Labour government in Westminster and the call for independence will die a death. We are only talking about it at the moment as reaction to the Tory pantomime
 
moathibby said:
For instance it would unequivocably come out in favour of gender recognition something the SNP are getting their knickers in a twist over.We said fuck the monarchy something the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over.We said get out of Nato something else the SNP have got their knickers in a twist over and we say fuck the mysoginy of Alba something else the SNP can't or won't say.
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Gender recognition ? Load of bollocks......or not as the case may be.
Fuck the monarchy ? Not the biggest concern in most peoples lives just now.
Leave NATO get rid of our nuclear deterrent? That worked for Ukraine...Oh hang on a minute
 
Thomo0762 said:
They have got the message out there. Brutal austerity and huge public spending cuts.
Put a Labour government in Westminster and the call for independence will die a death. We are only talking about it at the moment as reaction to the Tory pantomime
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Put a Labour government in Westminster and the austerity continues......the austerity weve had under the tories for the last 12 years.
An austerity the previous labour government helped introduce due to falling asleep at the wheel. ( Blair got out in time to think he looked innocent. He was anything but.)
A Labour government automatically inherits the 40 billion black hole. (A real black hole, unlike the one Scotland is alleged to have).
The SNP is far from perfect in government. But, given its financial limitations it does it's best to keep its citizens in decent working order in comparison to the rest of the UK.
 
Jack said:
I could prattle on about the NHS but will refrain at the moment at least.

What's this about the justice system? Not what Rushi Bawsack was on about I hope?
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No , young people committing suicide in scottish prisons 🥲
 
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