Jack
Private Member
Nothing I wouldn't expect staunch unionists to come out with.
Bitter labour apologist blaming the SNP for having to deal with Westminster policies.
SNP Higher Taxes Generates Less Money
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Bitter labour apologist blaming the SNP for having to deal with Westminster policies.
Archie
Private Member
So nothing then.
Smurf
Private Member
Scottish Labour MP's are in the UK Parliament part of the UK Government. They voted for Government policy. Here in Scotland we have a devolved Government where we can make different choices if we choose. The Scottish Labour Party let it be known that in a Scottish Government they'd choose to make a different choice from the UK Labour Government. I know for the 'London Labour' and 'Scottish branch' types like yourself that is uncomfortable but seems to suggest to me that devolution can work....
Smurf
Private Member
Can't.
egb_hibs
Private Member
Sarwar backs ending universal winter fuel payment for pensioners
Anas Sarwar has backed a replacement benefit for the Winter Fuel Payment being "targeted" at Scots who need it most.
www.heraldscotland.com
Smurf
Private Member
No surprise. He's a duplicitous *&*^.Sarwar backs ending universal winter fuel payment for pensioners
Anas Sarwar has backed a replacement benefit for the Winter Fuel Payment being "targeted" at Scots who need it most.
Smurf
Private Member
So the UK Government is paying a £300 Winter Fuel Allowance to the poorest pensioners in addition to the extra £400 in the state pension? And the UK Government is withdrawing the Winter Fuel Allowance to those pensioners not amongst the poorest.
And up here in Scotland the SNP has decided that the not poorest pensioners should be given £100 not the £300?
If so this is a gimmick.
And up here in Scotland the SNP has decided that the not poorest pensioners should be given £100 not the £300?
If so this is a gimmick.
It would be a feather in Sarwar's cap if the head office could name him when asked.
emerald green
Private Member
So you agree with me. The leader up here is opposed to it, but the mps in westminster arnae. You also agree this is a mixed message and not a very good message to send to the scottish public. Part of the issue being swept under the carpet of Governmet Policy as if that makes it ok.
Mental.
BTW, it doesnt make "types" like myself uncomfortable in the slightest. If this type of thing floats your boat and shows devolution "working" crack on. If Tony Blairs Parish Council really does "work", then lets elevate that Parish Council to its natural conclusion.
"types" like yourself cant see the wood for the trees.
Smurf
Private Member
No the leader up here spotted a political opportunity and changed his mind. The SNP spotted a political opportunity and has given better off pensioners £100.
Archie
Private Member
No no no. The SNP are fiercely principled without a cynical bone in their body! It's 'these types' who are to blame!
Haven't been keeping up with the news whilst relaxing poolside drinking beer....
Has there been any details about the £100? I'm a 'better off pensioner' allegedly, but my wife isn't.
Can we both get it, or if it's just me, do I have to share it?
Can it be made in cash, maybe at a post office or meet at a service station so she doesn't know?
So Sturgeon announces she is getting divorced. Be interesting to see if Murrel now takes the fall for the shenanigans that beset the party.
Another cluster fuck of a political party now.
Another cluster fuck of a political party now.
emerald green
Private Member
So someones getting a divorce, lets raise a dead thread about how shite the SNP are.
Coz, were no telt often enough in the cowshed, how shite the SNP is/has been.
Now now EG. It's a story tied into another story.
It will be interesting to see where Operation Branchform now ends up.
I've voted SNP all my life mate until the last election.
It will be interesting to see where Operation Branchform now ends up.
I've voted SNP all my life mate until the last election.
Whilst SNP and Labour play knockabout over this issue and being played out on here, the bigger picture is being missed I think.
Role the Pick of the Pops theme tune.....
' .....and up one place to number 15 in the charts'
www.almondfinancial.co.uk
Add to this disgrace The UK government pays 29% of average earnings, which is the lowest of all 24 countries in the OECD
BIG G
Role the Pick of the Pops theme tune.....
' .....and up one place to number 15 in the charts'
Pension Breakeven Index: How the UK State Pension Compares to Europe
We've compared the UK's pension system to the rest of Europe’s countries to see which one offers the most to retirees. Check it out here.
www.almondfinancial.co.uk
Add to this disgrace The UK government pays 29% of average earnings, which is the lowest of all 24 countries in the OECD
BIG G
egb_hibs
Private Member
I'm really not persuaded the state pension in Spain is nearly 50% higher than the average wage in Spain.Whilst SNP and Labour play knockabout over this issue and being played out on here, the bigger picture is being missed I think.
Role the Pick of the Pops theme tune.....
' .....and up one place to number 15 in the charts'
Pension Breakeven Index: How the UK State Pension Compares to Europe
We've compared the UK's pension system to the rest of Europe’s countries to see which one offers the most to retirees. Check it out here.
Add to this disgrace The UK government pays 29% of average earnings, which is the lowest of all 24 countries in the OECD
BIG G
I wouldn't be taking any financial advice from this lot G
I think you get my main drift though Martin.
The OECD Stats were from a different source.
BIG G
egb_hibs
Private Member
The almond financial site says the Spanish pension system pays out 3175 euro a month. Google suggests the average wage in Spain is 2200 to 2300 odd euros a month depending on the site.
Spanish sources suggest Spanish state pension is in fact between 11.5 and 14.5k euros per year which is somewhat more plausible
Smurf
Private Member
I'd like to see pensioners get a better pension too. How do we pay for it? Cut spending from elsewhere? Increase taxes from where? Borrow more?Whilst SNP and Labour play knockabout over this issue and being played out on here, the bigger picture is being missed I think.
Role the Pick of the Pops theme tune.....
' .....and up one place to number 15 in the charts'
Pension Breakeven Index: How the UK State Pension Compares to Europe
We've compared the UK's pension system to the rest of Europe’s countries to see which one offers the most to retirees. Check it out here.
Add to this disgrace The UK government pays 29% of average earnings, which is the lowest of all 24 countries in the OECD
BIG G
Politics the world over is in a fucking state.
Britain possibly worse than some.
How do you think Starmer got the gig?
Because he didn't do as much muck raking in opposition as he should have.
The tories and SNP handed him the reins.
But, in power, he's been chasing his tail since day one
egb_hibs
Private Member
Its not possible I'm afraid; not under the current premises anyway. You can't have welfare services based on four or five workers per dependent (children, pensioners, sick etc) then not sufficiently reproduce for three generations - and no end in sight- and also hope for those services to maintain.
We will need to change to people funding their own pensions while obviously providing for those already on their pensions or approaching pensionable age.
Need to change to something like this ASAP as it's only getting worse.
Moreover, we will eventually need to get back to extended family units looking after their own old as the rest of the poor world do and indeed as many new Britons do.
Smurf
Private Member
This won't end well and will see many more bugger off. I know many will say "fuck them, let them go..." and to an extent I feel likewise but we really don't want to be chasing away talent and entrepreneurship that generates wealth and employment.
www.scotsman.com
SNP poised to draw up wealth tax plans to tackle incoming £8.8bn benefits bill
A Labour MP will table a bid at next month’s Scottish conference for the party to adopt a wealth tax policy
www.scotsman.com
Was said on GB news that one millionaire leaves UK every 45 minutes. Mostly non Doms who pay taxes here on money earned and also in their home countriesو but they don't much like the tax changes
I'm all for equality if there was ever an honest government and honest workforce and bosses to make it work. Sadly it can't or won't happen so at least make it worthwhile for people to invest in UK. Taxing people who can bring jobs to the UK, to the hilt won't get us anywhere.
I'm all for equality if there was ever an honest government and honest workforce and bosses to make it work. Sadly it can't or won't happen so at least make it worthwhile for people to invest in UK. Taxing people who can bring jobs to the UK, to the hilt won't get us anywhere.
Well Davy if they choose to leave that is their perogative.
But I sure as fuck wouldn't let them creep back and carry on as if nothing had happened when the situation changes again.
egb_hibs
Private Member
I couldn’t give a feck about those non doms here for London’s hookers and casinos, but if we lose those who create businesses here, that will be less helpful.
Smurf
Private Member
Seems we are determined to lose exactly then. Not looked into it but somebody told me earlier today 80% of pubs in the UK are currently running at a loss....
Depends on their businesses eegie. If it's financial I personally couldn't give a fuck.
If they create jobs that pay decent wages then yep.
We really do need to build up a manufacturing base again.
Smurf
Private Member
You haven't seen anything yet.
Here's my prediction. The UK will have zero car manufacturing within 3 years. First to go will be Nissan in the north-east.
China is manufacturing cars at €11,000 cheaper than Europe.
We can't compete.
Surely we can set up a few quangos?
Smurf
Private Member
Our only answer is put taxes up....
egb_hibs
Private Member
By definition, the entire portfolio of contemporary left wing tactics hollow out everyone from the better off working classes through the affluent while leaving the super rich unscathed.
City boys continue to enjoy the ulez enabled clearer roads and parking opportunities available if you don’t have to concern yourself with fines.
Eton and Harrow may even be better off after the VAT thing and Russian gangsters and Arab princes will educate their sprogs without even noticing, while doctors in rural areas will emigrate because there is no longer a local 10 grand a year option for their kids.
Disproportionately childless elites will not have to worry about IHT and will have the tools to avoid it if they actually sprog.
Global behemoths will have additional pretexts to offshore labour if they choose not to suck up NI hits, while small and medium businesses will cut staff or go to the wall.
On and on it goes. The rich are basically untouchable under the premisss of both labour and the tories.
Which is electoral suicide for the uni party.