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The Family said:
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It’s a Hibs podcast. That’s just who they’d sign, not actual targets.

Probably the kind of names we’d all pull together on here, but the way Hibs are going about their business we’ll continue to sign randoms who are ill equipped to handle the demands of the Scottish game.
 
Zab said:
It’s a Hibs podcast. That’s just who they’d sign, not actual targets.

Probably the kind of names we’d all pull together on here, but the way Hibs are going about their business we’ll continue to sign randoms who are ill equipped to handle the demands of the Scottish game.
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Thanks mate, I didn’t know some of those players they mention on there but that’s not a bad thing. The boy from Ayr would be decent and the boy Fuchs was good player with Dundee United too.
 
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Thanks mate, I didn’t know some of those players they mention on there but that’s not a bad thing. The boy from Ayr would be decent and the boy Fuchs was good player with Dundee United too.
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There’s a few interesting players on the list. The kind that, if we’re trying to steady the ship and get a more competitive team on the park, would make sense.
 
Zab said:
There’s a few interesting players on the list. The kind that, if we’re trying to steady the ship and get a more competitive team on the park, would make sense.
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Pity our recruitment department cannot come up with the same.
 
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The Family said:
Thanks mate, I didn’t know some of those players they mention on there but that’s not a bad thing. The boy from Ayr would be decent and the boy Fuchs was good player with Dundee United too.
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The guy Fuchs has been struggling for game time in the English third tier so if you listen to all the moaners on social media including here guys like that can't hack it at a big club like Hibs, we need better etc etc
If we had signed the guy that's at Ayr there would have been loads of moaning and he would have been written off after a few substitute appearance as not good enough for Hibs.
He has had a remarkable season so far for Ayr but Hibs is up two levels up from where he is playing. Not many can bridge it.
This is his career history with all but 15 games in non league
2014Potters Bar Town7(1)
2015–2018Stevenage15(1)
2015→ Aldershot Town (loan)4(1)
2016→ St Neots Town (loan)6(1)
2016→ Dulwich Hamlet (loan)5(5)
2016→ St Albans City (loan)15(3)
2016–2017→ Billericay Town (loan)7(1)
2017→ Dulwich Hamlet (loan)16(5)
2017–2018→ Bishop's Stortford (loan)29(8)
2018–2019Dulwich Hamlet53(17)
2019→ Cheshunt (loan)10(5)
2019Braintree Town2(0)
2019–2022Welling United62(28)
2022–Ayr United16(14)
 
Jack K said:
The guy Fuchs has been struggling for game time in the English third tier so if you listen to all the moaners on social media including here guys like that can't hack it at a big club like Hibs, we need better etc etc
If we had signed the guy that's at Ayr there would have been loads of moaning and he would have been written off after a few substitute appearance as not good enough for Hibs.
He has had a remarkable season so far for Ayr but Hibs is up two levels up from where he is playing. Not many can bridge it.
This is his career history with all but 15 games in non league
2014Potters Bar Town7(1)
2015–2018Stevenage15(1)
2015→ Aldershot Town (loan)4(1)
2016→ St Neots Town (loan)6(1)
2016→ Dulwich Hamlet (loan)5(5)
2016→ St Albans City (loan)15(3)
2016–2017→ Billericay Town (loan)7(1)
2017→ Dulwich Hamlet (loan)16(5)
2017–2018→ Bishop's Stortford (loan)29(8)
2018–2019Dulwich Hamlet53(17)
2019→ Cheshunt (loan)10(5)
2019Braintree Town2(0)
2019–2022Welling United62(28)
2022–Ayr United16(14)
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Every signing is a risk, just because they have struggled elsewhere it doesn’t necessarily mean it will be the same here. Fuchs didn’t struggle at Dundee United and he knows the Scottish game. The boy at Ayr has proven he is a goal scorer something we are lacking in, yet with Nissy back that may improve. But your forgetting what league Nissy played in before coming to us. Or do we just stick with Youan,Bojang, McKirdy types who haven’t impressed at all.
 
stickyRicky said:
Looked at this the other day. Most of it is pie in the sky stuff.
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Michael Rose is the most interesting one.
The others are known to us and Ronan is almost certainly outwith our grasp.
Rose, aged 27 is from Aberdeen left Ayr for Coventry 3 and a bit years ago.
According to the guys suggesting him he is out of contract in the summer.
No idea if the player or club have an option for another year.
He's played 60 games in the English Championship which is good.
I don't know how good he is as i've never watched him.
Could be he is looking to stay down there but he is a good suggestion.
 
The Family said:
Every signing is a risk, just because they have struggled elsewhere it doesn’t necessarily mean it will be the same here. Fuchs didn’t struggle at Dundee United and he knows the Scottish game. The boy at Ayr has proven he is a goal scorer something we are lacking in, yet with Nissy back that may improve. But your forgetting what league Nissy played in before coming to us. Or do we just stick with Youan,Bojang, McKirdy types who haven’t impressed at all.
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McKirdy has a far more impressive record than the guy at Ayr.
The point i'm making is some of our supporters behave like entitled kids and if a player doesn't work straight away they want them discarded and another one brought in. That can easily happen at big clubs but not at Hibs.
The guy Fuchs was okay at Dundee Utd but he is struggling to get a game for a mid table team in the English 3rd tier.
He's a decent player and Hibs could bring him in but folk would be moaning about him after a hand full of games if Hibs were still losing.
The truth is the guy is probably no better than what we already have.

Magennis, Porteous and Nisbet are probably £2-3 million players and that is the standard of player we need to progress. The problem we have is Hibs can't afford to buy or pay the wages of a ready made player of that ability level.
The only way we can do it is to bring them through our youth ranks or take advantage of a situation.
In the case of Porteous he came through the ranks, in the case of Nisbet the situation was covid had struck, his team were desperate for cash and other clubs were not buying so Ron nipped in and in the case of Magennis the situation was he was still coming back from a horrendous injury so no other team wanted to risk it. If there is no situation Hibs will in most cases be gazumped by richer suiters.
 
Jack K said:
McKirdy has a far more impressive record than the guy at Ayr.
The point i'm making is some of our supporters behave like entitled kids and if a player doesn't work straight away they want them discarded and another one brought in. That can easily happen at big clubs but not at Hibs.
The guy Fuchs was okay at Dundee Utd but he is struggling to get a game for a mid table team in the English 3rd tier.
He's a decent player and Hibs could bring him in but folk would be moaning about him after a hand full of games if Hibs were still losing.
The truth is the guy is probably no better than what we already have.

Magennis, Porteous and Nisbet are probably £2-3 million players and that is the standard of player we need to progress. The problem we have is Hibs can't afford to buy or pay the wages of a ready made player of that ability level.
The only way we can do it is to bring them through our youth ranks or take advantage of a situation.
In the case of Porteous he came through the ranks, in the case of Nisbet the situation was covid had struck, his team were desperate for cash and other clubs were not buying so Ron nipped in and in the case of Magennis the situation was he was still coming back from a horrendous injury so no other team wanted to risk it. If there is no situation Hibs will in most cases be gazumped by richer suiters.
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Sadly only one player is worth the 2-3 million pound that you mention, Nissy would have been worth that previously when Birmingham were interested, but he will need to get back to that player first and foremost. Magennis isn’t worth 2-3 million your kidding yourself with that quote. Porto could have easily went for that but his contract is due to expire soon so we will never know.

Fuchs was more than Ok for Dundee United and would improve our soft as shite midfield. Fuchs at Dundee United would break up play and make things happen for the players around him.

Not seen enough of McKirdy, but what I have seen I wasn’t all that impressed to be honest. Showed a couple of nice touches but I cannot seeing scoring many goals up here in my opinion.
 
The Family said:
Sadly only one player is worth the 2-3 million pound that you mention, Nissy would have been worth that previously when Birmingham were interested, but he will need to get back to that player first and foremost. Magennis isn’t worth 2-3 million your kidding yourself with that quote. Porto could have easily went for that but his contract is due to expire soon so we will never know.

Fuchs was more than Ok for Dundee United and would improve our soft as shite midfield. Fuchs at Dundee United would break up play and make things happen for the players around him.

Not seen enough of McKirdy, but what I have seen I wasn’t all that impressed to be honest. Showed a couple of nice touches but I cannot seeing scoring many goals up here in my opinion.
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Porteous is a £2-3 million level player. We will be lucky to get £500k for him but as soon as he moves he will be worth big bucks. Free money for whoever gets him even if he isn't a great success.

Nisbet, I suspect the Birmingham deal had little money upfront with more strings on it than a Thunderbird puppet which is why Hibs kb'd it. Ron will be relieved that he has come back strong and will be praying he can keep it up until the end of the season. If he can we could get circa £2 million for him in the summer.

Magennis isn't a £2 million quid player at the moment but easily has the potential to be if he can get a run of games. The problem with our midfield has been that none of them can drive with the ball. Magennis drives with the ball and breaks defensive lines and he along with Nisbet is the key to our improvement. It wasn't coincidence that Hibs were top of the league when he was injured at the end of September last season and the team immediately went into freefall after that and the manager was quickly sacked.

Fuchs was a good defensive mid at Dundee United.
He worked hard and battled but he struggled to pass under pressure and didn't play forward passes so he is very limited.
He would do fine at Hibs.

McKirdy had he gone to a team like St Johnstone would have been starting every week and could have made mistakes and no one would have bothered. At Hibs it's different. Against Celtic he started and was easily pushed off the ball. He was subbed at half time and heavily criticised by our support. Other than that he is only getting minutes here and there so it's difficult to have an opinion on him at the moment.
 
Jack K said:
McKirdy had he gone to a team like St Johnstone would have been starting every week and could have made mistakes and no one would have bothered. At Hibs it's different. Against Celtic he started and was easily pushed off the ball. He was subbed at half time and heavily criticised by our support. Other than that he is only getting minutes here and there so it's difficult to have an opinion on him at the moment.
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That’s a very good point, and one that those in charge of recruitment at Hibernian have completely failed to grasped.

Playing for Hibs comes with demands and expectations, that means new players aren’t often afforded a lot of time and therefore they need to show some kind of promising signs very quickly. To handle that kind of pressure requires a bit of character and a certain type of personality, there’s no way Iain Gordon and company are taking that into consideration.

Davie Martindale was on OpenGoal recently, where they asked him about his transfer policy and how he seems to get so many signings right. He said he uses the same methods as every other club to identify players, but always meets them in person before committing to the deal to see if they have the personality he’s looking for. There’s nothing special about that, but it’s significant.

I’m sure Hibs also do that, but it’s questionable who actually does it. Whoever does that role is either not a very good judge of character, or is looking for the wrong qualities IMO.
 
Jack K said:
Porteous is a £2-3 million level player. We will be lucky to get £500k for him but as soon as he moves he will be worth big bucks. Free money for whoever gets him even if he isn't a great success.

Nisbet, I suspect the Birmingham deal had little money upfront with more strings on it than a Thunderbird puppet which is why Hibs kb'd it. Ron will be relieved that he has come back strong and will be praying he can keep it up until the end of the season. If he can we could get circa £2 million for him in the summer.

Magennis isn't a £2 million quid player at the moment but easily has the potential to be if he can get a run of games. The problem with our midfield has been that none of them can drive with the ball. Magennis drives with the ball and breaks defensive lines and he along with Nisbet is the key to our improvement. It wasn't coincidence that Hibs were top of the league when he was injured at the end of September last season and the team immediately went into freefall after that and the manager was quickly sacked.

Fuchs was a good defensive mid at Dundee United.
He worked hard and battled but he struggled to pass under pressure and didn't play forward passes so he is very limited.
He would do fine at Hibs.

McKirdy had he gone to a team like St Johnstone would have been starting every week and could have made mistakes and no one would have bothered. At Hibs it's different. Against Celtic he started and was easily pushed off the ball. He was subbed at half time and heavily criticised by our support. Other than that he is only getting minutes here and there so it's difficult to have an opinion on him at the moment.
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Our midfield is too soft and too many players go hiding in big games or if others aren’t playing well. Fuchs would be ideal as a defensive midfielder who wouldn’t hide and break up the opposition play.

We have already spoke about Magennis and we will just need to agree to disagree on that one, I will be surprised if he manages to complete the season without being chocolate again.

McKirdy, Melkerson, Henderson, Campbell all too soft and need to get down the gym and beef up, as all these players are easily knocked off the ball.

Next game is massive for LJ, if we lose it, it won’t really matter about our January window as the club will take until the Summer to appoint someone else whilst Sir David Gray and May take the first team over until new Manager is found and yet again these players who are clearly not good enough will get another chance and we will be into another season starting with the same pish squad.
 
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Magennis will never be worth millions because he's always breaking down. That's just mental talk. No one will be paying millions for him ever. I'll be surprised if he even makes 20 games between now at the end of the season. Not blaming him but some players are just injury prone.
 
MSG_07 said:
Magennis will never be worth millions because he's always breaking down. That's just mental talk. No one will be paying millions for him ever. I'll be surprised if he even makes 20 games between now at the end of the season. Not blaming him but some players are just injury prone.
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Unfortunately this,
Even if he gets a good amount of games this season he'll always be someone clubs will look at and doubt his physical condition.
Plus i think he'll be in his final year? That'll devalue him too, we'd have to offer him a deal this season to pump his value up and imo we'd be mental to do so without getting a solid year and a half's worth of games out of him.. Which point he might leave for free anyway? (If next is his final?)
 
Hammi said:
Unfortunately this,
Even if he gets a good amount of games this season he'll always be someone clubs will look at and doubt his physical condition.
Plus i think he'll be in his final year? That'll devalue him too, we'd have to offer him a deal this season to pump his value up and imo we'd be mental to do so without getting a solid year and a half's worth of games out of him.. Which point he might leave for free anyway? (If next is his final?)
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He signed a 5 year deal in October 2020 so he has a bit to go yet.
 
Hammi said:
Unfortunately this,
Even if he gets a good amount of games this season he'll always be someone clubs will look at and doubt his physical condition.
Plus i think he'll be in his final year? That'll devalue him too, we'd have to offer him a deal this season to pump his value up and imo we'd be mental to do so without getting a solid year and a half's worth of games out of him.. Which point he might leave for free anyway? (If next is his final?)
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Probably wait until he is injured again and then offer him a new deal.
 
Doc Shrink said:
Dinnae confuse me.
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Season 24/25 is his final year?

For him to get another contract at Hibs he needs to be fit until we kick off that final season.
Otherwise failed at Hibs is the highest he ever goes.
 
MSG_07 said:
Magennis will never be worth millions because he's always breaking down. That's just mental talk. No one will be paying millions for him ever. I'll be surprised if he even makes 20 games between now at the end of the season. Not blaming him but some players are just injury prone.
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Any Hibs player will do well to play that many games from now given we only have 22 to play if we lose the cup game
 
Come the summer Boyle due to injury will only have played more than 20 league games for Hibs once in 5 seasons. I've not heard any hysteria about him being frequently injured even although his latest knee injury will see him out for 10 months on circa £7,500 a week and he will be 30 before the seasons out. He's had 3 big knee ops now and could easily break down again. I get the difference that he has credit in the bank with Hibs fans but as things stand he will miss an almost identical time this season as Magennis missed last season and at 30 he has more chance of breaking down again than 24 years old Magennis.
 
The Family said:
Sadly only one player is worth the 2-3 million pound that you mention, Nissy would have been worth that previously when Birmingham were interested, but he will need to get back to that player first and foremost. Magennis isn’t worth 2-3 million your kidding yourself with that quote. Porto could have easily went for that but his contract is due to expire soon so we will never know.

Fuchs was more than Ok for Dundee United and would improve our soft as shite midfield. Fuchs at Dundee United would break up play and make things happen for the players around him.

Not seen enough of McKirdy, but what I have seen I wasn’t all that impressed to be honest. Showed a couple of nice touches but I cannot seeing scoring many goals up here in my opinion.
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Peterborough wanted £1 million pounds for Fuchs which is twice what we will pay for a player.
I agree that he is great at breaking up play but not that he makes things happen for players around him. As I said before, he struggles to pass under pressure and doesn't pass forward. We have 19 year old Kenneh who has similar strengths and weaknesses. He isn't as good as Fuchs yet but will improve with age and further game time.
 
Jack K said:
Come the summer Boyle due to injury will only have played more than 20 league games for Hibs once in 5 seasons. I've not heard any hysteria about him being frequently injured even although his latest knee injury will see him out for 10 months on circa £7,500 a week and he will be 30 before the seasons out. He's had 3 big knee ops now and could easily break down again. I get the difference that he has credit in the bank with Hibs fans but as things stand he will miss an almost identical time this season as Magennis missed last season and at 30 he has more chance of breaking down again than 24 years old Magennis.
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Magennis hasn't even come close to 20 games a season though?
In fact, he's only just passed 20 league appearances total. Subs and all.

And even though you say Boyle has credit in the bank and all that nonsense, it's not even close to being relevant.

Magennis is every single bit as likely to break down as Boyle is. Probably more even still. His history cannot be ignored.
I hope he's built himself up and all his physicals check out, because if he can stay fit between now and the end of next season I'd give him a contract no problem.

But we know that's almost certainly not going to happen.
At his fittest he'll miss 3 in 10 at his worst he'll miss 10 in 10.
 
Jack K said:
Come the summer Boyle due to injury will only have played more than 20 league games for Hibs once in 5 seasons. I've not heard any hysteria about him being frequently injured even although his latest knee injury will see him out for 10 months on circa £7,500 a week and he will be 30 before the seasons out. He's had 3 big knee ops now and could easily break down again. I get the difference that he has credit in the bank with Hibs fans but as things stand he will miss an almost identical time this season as Magennis missed last season and at 30 he has more chance of breaking down again than 24 years old Magennis.
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Difference between the two players is that Martin Boyle delivers when he plays. He scores and creates goals that lead to positive results. Kyle Magennis hasn’t come close to being that influential unfortunately.
 
Zab said:
Difference between the two players is that Martin Boyle delivers when he plays. He scores and creates goals that lead to positive results. Kyle Magennis hasn’t come close to being that influential unfortunately.
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I think he's the reason Jack Ross kept his job for as long as he did 😬

Our opening run that season was largely down to him and once he was injured we were hopeless. But that opening run was the reason we had points on the board at all.

But, aye, still, nowhere near as influential as Martin, just a wee side note 😁
 
Jack K said:
Come the summer Boyle due to injury will only have played more than 20 league games for Hibs once in 5 seasons. I've not heard any hysteria about him being frequently injured even although his latest knee injury will see him out for 10 months on circa £7,500 a week and he will be 30 before the seasons out. He's had 3 big knee ops now and could easily break down again. I get the difference that he has credit in the bank with Hibs fans but as things stand he will miss an almost identical time this season as Magennis missed last season and at 30 he has more chance of breaking down again than 24 years old Magennis.
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That's nonsense - where are you getting these stats from? Boyle has featured regularly and even if he hasn't played a full 90 minutes his contributions have been invaluable to the club(goals/assists). And this is despite serious injury issues. He'll have probably done more in the 12 games he's featured in than Magennis does by the end of the season. We'd have been relegated without Boyle - he is a match winner.

You can't reall compare Boyle, a cup legend to Magennis who's contributed pretty much hee-haw since he arrived. I'm confident Boyle will be fine after his recovery.
 
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That's nonsense - where are you getting these stats from? Boyle has featured regularly and even if he hasn't played a full 90 minutes his contributions have been invaluable to the club(goals/assists). And this is despite serious injury issues. He'll have probably done more in the 12 games he's featured in than Magennis does by the end of the season. We'd have been relegated without Boyle - he is a match winner.

You can't reall compare Boyle, a cup legend to Magennis who's contributed pretty much hee-haw since he arrived. I'm confident Boyle will be fine after his recovery.
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Good point, didn’t focus on that part of his post. What @Jack K has posted about Martin Boyle’s appearance record for Hibernian is a total lie, strange behaviour to be honest…
 

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