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It doesn’t matter… your statement was stupid consideringI have now though and still nobody else has
It doesn’t matter… your statement was stupid consideringI have now though and still nobody else has
He actually hasHe's just give me a thumbs up he hasnt said anything, I see laughing billy has still said fuck all about it
Interesting and gives a different perspective.

I certainly havent missed your patterHe actually hasif you missed that after your ironic post, what else have you missed
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There are a few on here who like to throw personal abuse, and name calling. They seem to think it enhances their point of view.YOure the one calling folk wankers because you disagree with them.
The glasgow students are disgusting
Name and shame the fuckers.There are a few on here who like to throw personal abuse, and name calling. They seem to think it enhances their point of view.

Well you’re not one of them Doc. But I bet you know who they are.Name and shame the fuckers.
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Aye, the *&*^Name and shame the fuckers.
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Why would I have blue hair. What an idiotic comment to make but not entirely surprising. I think you'll find I've previously said that I abhor the violence committed by both sides so stop trying to put words in my mouth.Em. I think you’ll find I said fuck both of them. I’m justifying zip. You however clearly have a horse in the race and have firmly chosen a side.
Don’t try to uno reverse me. Have you got blue hair by any chance?
@GORDONSMITH7 you’ve completely ignored me since I provided evidence of reality. Any word on it yet or will you just live on in blind socialist denial? Wee G’s no a fan of anything other than his own imagined reality.
Yeah, forcing them to kill MuslimsTo quote Golda Meyer,
We can forgove muslims for killing our children we cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. Until.they learn to love their children more than they hate us there will never be peace.
I think it was also her that said, give the arabs guns and we will have war, but give Israel guns and we will have peace.To quote Golda Meyer,
We can forgove muslims for killing our children we cannot forgive them for forcing us to kill their children. Until.they learn to love their children more than they hate us there will never be peace.
I think what she actually said was, if the Palestinians lay down their guns, there will be no more war. If Israel lays down its guns, there will be no more Israel.I think it was also her that said, give the arabs guns and we will have war, but give Israel guns and we will have peace.
I think you are right. It was just something in the back of my head. Thanks for the correction.I think what she actually said was, if the Palestinians lay down their guns, there will be no more war. If Israel lays down its guns, there will be no more Israel.
And if both of them lay down their guns...?I think what she actually said was, if the Palestinians lay down their guns, there will be no more war. If Israel lays down its guns, there will be no more Israel.
They wont though, its Hamas aim to wipe out israelAnd if both of them lay down their guns...?
And it's Israel's aim to wipe out Palestine.They wont though, its Hamas aim to wipe out israel
Nope, israelis live in what the romans named palestine. The Arabs have been offered numerous times a two state solution , which the israelis agreed to , and turned it downAnd it's Israel's aim to wipe out Palestine.
Pish, they want Palestine gone.Nope, israelis live in what the romans named palestine. The Arabs have been offered numerous times a two state solution , which the israelis agreed to , and turned it down
Isreal agreed to it once, about 40 years ago, but it gave Palestinians limited self governance. So in essence they’ve never agreed to a sovereign state for themNope, israelis live in what the romans named palestine. The Arabs have been offered numerous times a two state solution , which the israelis agreed to , and turned it down
They have openly stated that they want to eliminate all Palestinians ffs.Nope, israelis live in what the romans named palestine. The Arabs have been offered numerous times a two state solution , which the israelis agreed to , and turned it down
Pish, they want Palestine gone.
Pop in here every once in a while these days to see if things have got any more grownup/factual. Appears not.Isreal agreed to it once, about 40 years ago, but it gave Palestinians limited self governance. So in essence they’ve never agreed to a sovereign state for them
Aye? When? Saying Israel has openly declared an intention to eliminate all Palestinians is an colossal overstatement to say the absolute least. Aye, you can point to abhorrent statements made by individual Israeli politicians, and you can argue that Israeli military actions or policies have endangered Palestinian lives, oif course. But that is not the same as establishing that the state/government of Israel's declared objective is to eliminate the entire Palestinian people. If that's your claim, show me the specific statement/charter that establishes it. (If it helps, it would look a bit like Hamas's one.)They have openly stated that they want to eliminate all Palestinians ffs.
Not exactly a 2 state solution where they are both sovereign countries though was itPop in here every once in a while these days to see if things have got any more grownup/factual. Appears not.
Presumably you're referring to the Oslo Accords, @Hattie. As for your claim, @hibbybilly -- well, I see you. No surprise there. In any case, anyone who's not a frothing zealot knows fine that Israel has engaged in serious negotiations over Palestinian statehood at Camp David in 2000 and through Ehud Olmert’s proposal in 2008. Ffs, even the devil himself, Benjamin Netanyahu, has publicly endorsed a conditional two-state solution in 2009. So it's at best disingenuous to claim Israel has never even contemplated a sovereign Palestinian state.
And of course, an inconvenient fact that's best glossed over is that it's principally the Palestinian leaders who have repeatedly rejected proposed peace agreements, so it’s also disingenuous to portray Israel as the sole or even primary obstacle to a two-state solution. But hey, you will anyway. Funny thing, though -- at least to me -- is that another historical fact is that most of the territory originally covered by the British Mandate for Palestine is now a state called Jordan, and it's an established Arab state with which Israel has achieved peace. No beef on that border for quite a while now, you know. Ultimately, the failure to establish a Palestinian state is nothing to do with Israel’s refusal to permit one; rather, the Palestinian leadership's rejectionism, and their flat-out refusal to accept Israel’s legitimacy are in fact the fundamental obstacles.
As I constantly remind people, and re: Golda Meir's quote above, Hamas’s founding charter explicitly rejects Israel’s right to exist, is steeped in unashamed and utterly explicit antisemitism, and envisages the destruction of the Jewish state, so to my mind it's hardly surprising that that those terrible Israelis are reluctant to negotiate with a governing party whose stated objectives are existentially incompatible with its own survival. And don't give me the supposed dilution of that language in 2017. Ultimately, what that still didn’t amount to was recognising Israel, abandoning the goal of liberating all of historic Palestine (ie nae jews please), and Hamas’s actions on 7 October only reinforced those concerns, wouldn't you say? Ultimately, if Israel lays down its arms, it risks ceasing to exist; if Palestinian leaders genuinely abandon the goal of destroying Israel, there is a possibility of peace.
But hey, free palestine, from the river to the sea, palestine will be free, etc etc. I guess it's easier to imagine (as Hibbybilly evidently does) that the Nasty Joos have a secret aim, as opposed to wrestle with, or even acknowledge the relevance of, the other side's explicit aims.
Aggie disnae want tae see Dub. Wasting yer time mate.They have openly stated that they want to eliminate all Palestinians ffs.
See yi next time you pop in.Pop in here every once in a while these days to see if things have got any more grownup/factual. Appears not.
So is it only grown up if we agree with you Aggie?Pop in here every once in a while these days to see if things have got any more grownup/factual. Appears not.
Presumably you're referring to the Oslo Accords well, I see you. No surprise there. In any case, anyone who's not a frothing zealot knows fine that Israel has engaged in serious negotiations over Palestinian statehood at Camp David in 2000 and through Ehud Olmert’s proposal in 2008. Ffs, even the devil himself, Benjamin Netanyahu, has publicly endorsed a conditional two-state solution in 2009. So it's at best disingenuous to claim Israel has never even contemplated a sovereign Palestinian state.
And of course, an inconvenient fact that's best glossed over is that it's principally the Palestinian leaders who have repeatedly rejected proposed peace agreements, so it’s also disingenuous to portray Israel as the sole or even primary obstacle to a two-state solution. But hey, you will anyway. Funny thing, though -- at least to me -- is that another historical fact is that most of the territory originally covered by the British Mandate for Palestine is now a state called Jordan, and it's an established Arab state with which Israel has achieved peace. No beef on that border for quite a while now, you know. Ultimately, the failure to establish a Palestinian state is nothing to do with Israel’s refusal to permit one; rather, the Palestinian leadership's rejectionism, and their flat-out refusal to accept Israel’s legitimacy are in fact the fundamental obstacles.
As I constantly remind people, and re: Golda Meir's quote above, Hamas’s founding charter explicitly rejects Israel’s right to exist, is steeped in unashamed and utterly explicit antisemitism, and envisages the destruction of the Jewish state, so to my mind it's hardly surprising that that those terrible Israelis are reluctant to negotiate with a governing party whose stated objectives are existentially incompatible with its own survival. And don't give me the supposed dilution of that language in 2017. Ultimately, what that still didn’t amount to was recognising Israel, abandoning the goal of liberating all of historic Palestine (ie nae jews please), and Hamas’s actions on 7 October only reinforced those concerns, wouldn't you say? Ultimately, if Israel lays down its arms, it risks ceasing to exist; if Palestinian leaders genuinely abandon the goal of destroying Israel, there is a possibility of peace.
But hey, free palestine, from the river to the sea, palestine will be free, etc etc. I guess it's easier to imagine (as Hibbybilly evidently does) that the Nasty Joos have a secret aim, as opposed to wrestle with, or even acknowledge the relevance of, the other side's explicit aims.
Pre the 1967 war there was no palestinian state, gaza was controlled by egypt and tjr west bank was controlled by jordanNot exactly a 2 state solution where they are both sovereign countries though was it
Palestine wanted their 1967 borders recognised in their state..
obviously both had different ideas. But no chance Netenyahu was agreeing to equal state sovereignty
Excellent post. I wish I could express my thoughts as well as you do. However it would take hours for me to type anything longer than about two lines.Pop in here every once in a while these days to see if things have got any more grownup/factual. Appears not.
Presumably you're referring to the Oslo Accords, @Hattie. As for your claim, @hibbybilly -- well, I see you. No surprise there. In any case, anyone who's not a frothing zealot knows fine that Israel has engaged in serious negotiations over Palestinian statehood at Camp David in 2000 and through Ehud Olmert’s proposal in 2008. Ffs, even the devil himself, Benjamin Netanyahu, has publicly endorsed a conditional two-state solution in 2009. So it's at best disingenuous to claim Israel has never even contemplated a sovereign Palestinian state.
And of course, an inconvenient fact that's best glossed over is that it's principally the Palestinian leaders who have repeatedly rejected proposed peace agreements, so it’s also disingenuous to portray Israel as the sole or even primary obstacle to a two-state solution. But hey, you will anyway. Funny thing, though -- at least to me -- is that another historical fact is that most of the territory originally covered by the British Mandate for Palestine is now a state called Jordan, and it's an established Arab state with which Israel has achieved peace. No beef on that border for quite a while now, you know. Ultimately, the failure to establish a Palestinian state is nothing to do with Israel’s refusal to permit one; rather, the Palestinian leadership's rejectionism, and their flat-out refusal to accept Israel’s legitimacy are in fact the fundamental obstacles.
As I constantly remind people, and re: Golda Meir's quote above, Hamas’s founding charter explicitly rejects Israel’s right to exist, is steeped in unashamed and utterly explicit antisemitism, and envisages the destruction of the Jewish state, so to my mind it's hardly surprising that that those terrible Israelis are reluctant to negotiate with a governing party whose stated objectives are existentially incompatible with its own survival. And don't give me the supposed dilution of that language in 2017. Ultimately, what that still didn’t amount to was recognising Israel, abandoning the goal of liberating all of historic Palestine (ie nae jews please), and Hamas’s actions on 7 October only reinforced those concerns, wouldn't you say? Ultimately, if Israel lays down its arms, it risks ceasing to exist; if Palestinian leaders genuinely abandon the goal of destroying Israel, there is a possibility of peace.
But hey, free palestine, from the river to the sea, palestine will be free, etc etc. I guess it's easier to imagine (as Hibbybilly evidently does) that the Nasty Joos have a secret aim, as opposed to wrestle with, or even acknowledge the relevance of, the other side's explicit aims.
Doesn’t say when it was printed. Could have been last week for all we know.
So the Jews were there before the Arabs, according to this? Not really the gotcha you think it is, eh?
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