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egb_hibs said:
But does it look like a duck?
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Inviting people to collect food and then shooting them,
is akin to inviting people to take a shower and then gassing them.

So yes, it looks like a duck.

Of course famously the Nazi’s developed the gas chambers to save on limited ammunition that could then be used in the ongoing war. The Israeli’s don’t need to worry about that with Uncle Donny repeatedly shipping them all they ask for.
 
gun ainm said:
i'm confused - you suggest the genocide convention definition is too weak in that it let the soviets off the hook. this implies you'd like a broader definition, so far so good. But why then does the near consensus expert opinion on the weak definition not warrant any consideration. If its flaw is its not stringent enough then surely cases that pass its tests are a sure thing? i have no idea if you just object to everything UN, everything UN that pertains to Israel only, or you have a critique of the article I shared that engages in the tests (shrug) - the article shared contains the requested analysis of the UN definition and the Israeli action 'qualification'. what more do you want that that?

be great if you could answer my request above repeated below for ease - think you missed that

Can I clarify if you're not sure and would like a fuller investigation or you're certain the answer is on the negative
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R I've already said I'm done with this until people explain what they are talking about. But since you feel something was missed previously; yes I am sure there is no genocide, given the absence of genocide - that is to say vast swathes of the Palestinian population disappearing, or hundreds of thousands of women being raped to change their bloodline, or children being removed en masse

The point about the UN definition is just to caution those that defer to them, that they tailor things for political motives, and have done so from the get go. I dont need the UN to define what genocide is, though I appreciate the courts do. Their definition is in line with mine in any case.

Genocide is the planned annihilation of a people. Thats not happening, and manifestly so since whole quarters, thirds or halves of the population are not being disappearing, smaller scale savagery notwithstanding: that's not changing, and it shows no sign of changing. If and when it does or moves commence to achieve it, then we would be looking at genocide, and I would support stopping that by any means necessary.

Now, if you want to flog this horse any further I need to see your definition or this is as fruitless as BK pointed out.
 
egb_hibs said:
R I've already said I'm done with this until people explain what they are talking about. But since you feel something was missed previously; yes I am sure there is no genocide, given the absence of genocide - that is to say vast swathes of the Palestinian population disappearing, or hundreds of thousands of women being raped to change their bloodline, or children being removed en masse

The point about the UN definition is just to caution those that defer to them, that they tailor things for political motives, and have done so from the get go. I dont need the UN to define what genocide is, though I appreciate the courts do. Their definition is in line with mine in any case.

Genocide is the planned annihilation of a people. Thats not happening, and manifestly so since whole quarters, thirds or halves of the population are not being disappearing, smaller scale savagery notwithstanding: that's not changing, and it shows no sign of changing. If and when it does or moves commence to achieve it, then we would be looking at genocide, and I would support stopping that by any means necessary.

Now, if you want to flog this horse any further I need to see your definition or this is as fruitless as BK pointed out.
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im deferring to the experts in the article quoted which you dont seem to have engaged with at all. I'm perplexed why you'd ignore it entirely but ask for my definition. the whole point is they are better placed to judge. tbh buddy it seems as though you have your head in the sand here and doing a lot of hard work to avoid considering the established consensus. the reasons for which i can only speculate
 
Soon were gonna see how much of a traitor Trump is.

The head of the Israeli army has stated we dont have enough troops to take Gaza,people are going awol over it.

Soon you will see who Trumps paymasters are!

Otherwise why the hell would it be of any interest to US to have their troops carry on a genocide?

Israel has asked the US to put troops there..that much is true!
 
Ryan69 said:
Soon were gonna see how much of a traitor Trump is.

The head of the Israeli army has stated we dont have enough troops to take Gaza,people are going awol over it.

Soon you will see who Trumps paymasters are!

Otherwise why the hell would it be of any interest to US to have their troops carry on a genocide?

Israel has asked the US to put troops there..that much is true!
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I thought you were a fan of the tangerine twat?
Has your research discovered he’s a demon or a Jew?
What a to do.
 
gun ainm said:
im deferring to the experts in the article quoted which you dont seem to have engaged with at all. I'm perplexed why you'd ignore it entirely but ask for my definition. the whole point is they are better placed to judge. tbh buddy it seems as though you have your head in the sand here and doing a lot of hard work to avoid considering the established consensus. the reasons for which i can only speculate
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I thought as much. I've quoted a number of experts that say the opposite. Why not defer to them?

There are 'experts' that say someone with a big swinger is a woman dude, I'm not deferring to them either. I'm not being facetious either, in both cases their conclusions fly in the face of what terms mean.

I would hope for less deference in such a context, and that you could give your own view.

Then there is the fact those conclusions include nuggets such as:

"However, much of the information coming out of Gaza, including from Israeli sources, suggests any cautionary measures undertaken by Israel, vastly insufficient as they were, would not have prevented it from committing a slower-paced genocide."

This looks awfully like: (unprecedented) measures israel takes to not kill people doesn't stop them from unintentionally committing the crime of genocide, which is about intent to kill a whole people.

And that in turn - especially given the same guy says efforts were underway to assess this question from soon after 7th October - suggests a self fulfilling exercise to find a way to label israeli actions genocidal.

Experts can be agenda led too, R. Frequently so in fact, and seldom more so than in our own time. That's one reason for rigour in respect of terminology, even when itself it has been partially formed by agenda led experts: the UN definition of genocide for example. This is not science, and falls apart completely without adherence to some kind of objective-ish framework where words have concrete meaning. The same applies generally which is why, for example, post modern academia is so intent on undermining the meaning of words.
 
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Doc Shrink said:
I thought you were a fan of the tangerine twat?
Has your research discovered he’s a demon or a Jew?
What a to do.
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I realised the guy is a sellout when he took at least $100,000,000 from AIPAC.
Its rumoured even upto 150,000,000.

AIPAC will certain want their shekels worth for that.
So expect more wars on behalf of Israel.

All the countries that were given democracy in Middle East...were all Israels natural enemy.
And so weakened them...for the good of Greater Israel.

Thats why all the leaders that took part in it....are multimillionaires now.

All you have to do is look at the Torah.....and it's all bloody obvious whats playing out.

Your merely Goyum.
 
Ryan69 said:
I realised the guy is a sellout when he took at least $100,000,000 from AIPAC.
Its rumoured even upto 150,000,000.

AIPAC will certain want their shekels worth for that.
So expect more wars on behalf of Israel.

All the countries that were given democracy in Middle East...were all Israels natural enemy.
And so weakened them...for the good of Greater Israel.

Thats why all the leaders that took part in it....are multimillionaires now.

All you have to do is look at the Torah.....and it's all bloody obvious whats playing out.

Your merely Goyum.
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Which countries in the middle east were 'given' democracy ?
 
egb_hibs said:
R I've already said I'm done with this until people explain what they are talking about. But since you feel something was missed previously; yes I am sure there is no genocide, given the absence of genocide - that is to say vast swathes of the Palestinian population disappearing, or hundreds of thousands of women being raped to change their bloodline, or children being removed en masse

The point about the UN definition is just to caution those that defer to them, that they tailor things for political motives, and have done so from the get go. I dont need the UN to define what genocide is, though I appreciate the courts do. Their definition is in line with mine in any case.

Genocide is the planned annihilation of a people. Thats not happening, and manifestly so since whole quarters, thirds or halves of the population are not being disappearing, smaller scale savagery notwithstanding: that's not changing, and it shows no sign of changing. If and when it does or moves commence to achieve it, then we would be looking at genocide, and I would support stopping that by any means necessary.

Now, if you want to flog this horse any further I need to see your definition or this is as fruitless as BK pointed out.
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I've read through all of this, and all I can come up with is "Imagine arguing semantics and the etymology of words as if that's somehow more important than the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in Gaza."
 
Dub said:
I've read through all of this, and all I can come up with is "Imagine arguing semantics and the etymology of words as if that's somehow more important than the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in Gaza."
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Indeed.
 
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Dub said:
I've read through all of this, and all I can come up with is "Imagine arguing semantics and the etymology of words as if that's somehow more important than the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in Gaza."
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Take it up with those who keep insisting on having the argument then. I'm just responding to those trying to persuade me that i should submit to redefined words which have material implications in law, as well as bending our understanding of the world and fueling hysteria.

I've said all along its slaugher and I don't know - though i could have a guess - why people are expending so much energy in a spin campaign rather than focusing on that, never mind all the other contemporary charnel houses people don't give a fuck about.

On the latter, I feel much as you do about the rather more significant impact of monomanical focus on this conflict which allows so much other shit in the world to go on with little attention.
 
Every day the news from Gaza sickens me to the stomach. This week its the IDF stormtroopers are killing as many journalists as they can to cover up their genocidal slaughter. Evil is too mild a word. The only people on this planet left supporting what Israel are doing are psychopaths and the mentally deranged. Hello Trump, Starmer and the rest of the political class. And of course the zombiezone at Ibrox.
 
Green Sleeves said:
Every day the news from Gaza sickens me to the stomach. This week its the IDF stormtroopers are killing as many journalists as they can to cover up their genocidal slaughter. Evil is too mild a word. The only people on this planet left supporting what Israel are doing are psychopaths and the mentally deranged. Hello Trump, Starmer and the rest of the political class. And of course the zombiezone at Ibrox.
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You omitted EGB from your list
 
The UK Government is facing pressure to be 'fully transparent' and disclose if it holds information gathered by spy plane flights over Gaza at the time Israel killed six journalists in a targeted strike
 
Dub said:
I've read through all of this, and all I can come up with is "Imagine arguing semantics and the etymology of words as if that's somehow more important than the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents in Gaza."
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I'm sure I read that an average of 28 children have been killed each day since Israel started their attacks on gaza. When did we reach a point where this is morally acceptable. I detest hamas and all the misery and suffering it has brought on the Palestinian people but surely continuing to kill children is every bit as bad as hamas. Just absolutely tragic. Human life disposable obviously.
 
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Is he wrong?

Some of these supposed decision makers need hung!

Oh wait....Tony Blair removed the death penalty for treason.

Putin is a war criminal.....but Netanyahu is not. MAKE SENSE OF THAT.
 
Israeli settlers [invaders] attack Palestinian settlements, destroying olive trees and setting fires to chase Palestinians away so they can steal the land. Israeli police show up and let them get on with it. This was all witnessed by the BBC. Later, a young boy is shot by a murdering cvnt in an IDF uniform with the excuse being that they were shooting at terrorists throwing stones.

No doubt someone will be along to explain that this is all one sided lies put out by Hamas and that the poor Israelis were only defending themselves.
 
hibbybilly said:
Just watched a bit on the news.
Fuckin heartbreaking 😢
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It’s becoming too distressing to watch Bill. People can argue until they’re blue in the face about choice of words to describe the situation there but these starving and mutilated children and their families won’t care what we call it. All they ask for is food.
 
Another 5 journalists killed amongst 20 dead at another hospital bombed by Israel.
How? Why? What the fuck is wrong with the world? Stop this now.
Again the lying bastards say they regret deaths of journalists.
 
Bangkokhibby said:
Another 5 journalists killed amongst 20 dead at another hospital bombed by Israel.
How? Why? What the fuck is wrong with the world? Stop this now.
Again the lying bastards say they regret deaths of journalists.
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Time for stammer to cut all ties / trade with Israel, our govt is complicit in the whole shooting match, along with the yanky trump 😡
 
I'm sure there was 1 Hamas member there sometime over the last year to justify it.
 
Bangkokhibby said:
Another 5 journalists killed amongst 20 dead at another hospital bombed by Israel.
How? Why? What the fuck is wrong with the world? Stop this now.
Again the lying bastards say they regret deaths of journalists.
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Waiting for Genocide and deliberate extermination of any independent journalism deniers to respond. Hold on dinnae bother an IDF beribboned mass murderer has just done this following the shocking footage of this on the News at 6. Why do they give these people airtime?.....balance? kid on BBC neutrality?

BIG G
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
Waiting for Genocide and deliberate extermination of any independent journalism deniers to respond. Hold on dinnae bother an IDF beribboned mass murderer has just done this following the shocking footage of this on the News at 6. Why do they give these people airtime?.....balance? kid on BBC neutrality?

BIG G
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Genocide? What genocide? 🤫
 
Bangkokhibby said:
Another 5 journalists killed amongst 20 dead at another hospital bombed by Israel.
How? Why? What the fuck is wrong with the world? Stop this now.
Again the lying bastards say they regret deaths of journalists.
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2 strikes!! 2! Ona fuckin hospital. It puts to bed any misguided missile, it puts to bed they are murdering bastards.
It does show that they do not give 1 single fuck about any innocent lives being lost.
With the thousands of babies/kids all innocents killed, there have been over 200 journalists killed.
Now they are clearly trying their fuckin best to stop news of their genocidal antics getting out to the world.
Despicable inhuman murdering bastards that they are… futile words for months and months and months are all that it is, futile!
Stop all trade, absolute everything, to these cvnts.
Get them up for war crimes, stop thinking about what the western world, ie that fuckin cvnt Trump, can gain out of this.
Britain must cease all trade, without doubt any arms trade.
There is absolute no doubt this is Isreal defying the world and basically saying we can do what the fuck we want!
It definitely seems that way
 
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