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EH17 Jimmy said:
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Seemingly a old video
EH17 Jimmy said:
Agree with that. Past events should have been looked at where the west destabilised countries and then carnage happened.

Regime change is meant to be illegal. I would think millions of Iranians would like to throw the Iranian government out.

But it really should be them uprising. Yep it's hard going watching the state terrorise civilians but it's not our call.
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Iran is very complex though, very tribal in parts with different factions, i just dont see this simply being very peaceful down the line
 
egb_hibs said:
Haud on its the Iranians striking Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Saudi, which makes more sense
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And which is also a wee reminder why the only thing preventing a regional nuclear arms race is American / Israeli guarantees that Iran will not get the bomb.
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are they no bombing US bases there?
 
Over 80 kids estimated to have been killed in the school bombing now. Sick. How is that going to win hearts and minds, most likely will just turn people toward the regime.
 
baggageandfibs said:
Over 80 kids estimated to have been killed in the school bombing now. Sick. How is that going to win hearts and minds, most likely will just turn people toward the regime.
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Horrendous. But then their own government recently massacred 30,000 on their streets....

It's quite peculiar that there was very little comment on here when that happened. Though now of course Israel and the USA are involved the condemnation needs no encouragement.
 
Trump has launched this attack from Florida without any input from Congress or the House of Representatives which makes it technically illegal. No doubt inspired by his domestic woes and Netanyahu dropping poison in his ear. This is the man who tried to award himself the Nobel Peace Prize a few weeks ago
 
Smurf said:
Horrendous. But then their own government recently massacred 30,000 on their streets....

It's quite peculiar that there was very little comment on here when that happened. Though now of course Israel and the USA are involved the condemnation needs no encouragement.
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@Smurf I've posted stuff on the Bounce from the RCP from comrades in Iran at the time about the regimes activities and the contagious response of the people prior to not only the latest uprising but the previous two.I never recall you commenting. It may not fall well with you but @egb_hibs to his credit did general agreed with the content and analysis when MSM here in large ignored it.

BIG G
 
Hundreds of Iranians on the streets of Glasgow today expressing thanks with Trump and Israel....
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
I've posted stuff on the Bounce from the RCP from courageous comrades in Iran at the time about the regimes ctivities, prior to not only the latest uprising but the previous two.I never recall you commenting. It may not fall well with you but @egb_hibs to his credit did general agreed with the content and analysis when MSM here in large ignored it.

BIG G
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I highlighted several times the atrocity. The mass murder of Iranians from their own government. Seems though unless it's Israel killing nobody is interested.
 
Smurf said:
Horrendous. But then their own government recently massacred 30,000 on their streets....

It's quite peculiar that there was very little comment on here when that happened. Though now of course Israel and the USA are involved the condemnation needs no encouragement.
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There was plenty of discussion on here about it if I recall. The 30k figure seems to be a talking point circulated without evidence from Israeli sources. I have no doubt that thousands were killed. Iran is a murderous ideological regime. It is what murderous ideological regimes do.The US and Israel are offering nothing here for the Iranian people. They are murdering their children instead.

Epstein files, Israeli Kompromat, military adventurism, Trump legacy, poor polling. These are all higher in the thoughts of Trump than the freedom of Iranian people.
 
baggageandfibs said:
There was plenty of discussion on here about it if I recall. The 30k figure seems to be a talking point circulated without evidence from Israeli sources. I have no doubt that thousands were killed. Iran is a murderous ideological regime. It is what murderous ideological regimes do.The US and Israel are offering nothing here for the Iranian people. They are murdering their children instead.

Epstein files, Israeli Kompromat, military adventurism, Trump legacy, poor polling. These are all higher in the thoughts of Trump than the freedom of Iranian people.
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He does not give one monkey's fuck about Iranian, Venezuelan or obviously Palestinian people. Imperialism doesnae.

BIG G
 
66 million Shias in Iran, even if Trump takes out the leadership what a mess he's going to make.
 
baggageandfibs said:
There was plenty of discussion on here about it if I recall. The 30k figure seems to be a talking point circulated without evidence from Israeli sources. I have no doubt that thousands were killed. Iran is a murderous ideological regime. It is what murderous ideological regimes do.The US and Israel are offering nothing here for the Iranian people. They are murdering their children instead.

Epstein files, Israeli Kompromat, military adventurism, Trump legacy, poor polling. These are all higher in the thoughts of Trump than the freedom of Iranian people.
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There really wasn't.
 
Smurf said:
There really wasn't.
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Big G has just given you an example. I remember commenting on it myself at the time. Don't know what your point is or what you are trying to achieve? Israel just murdered 80 girls, but they're just collateral damage in a just war yeah?

According to the Omani intermediary during the talks there had been a breakthrough in the talks and a deal was close. Too close for the Israelis and now here we are. It is possible to both despise the Iranian regime and the blatant abuse of power of the Israeli regime and the US regime. I know because that is my position and the view of many others. They are all undemocratic, authoritarian regimes.

You seriously think Trump cares about Iranians? All a deflection. All of Netanyahu's wildest fantasies are coming true enabled by a deeply compromised maniac in the White House.
 
baggageandfibs said:
There was plenty of discussion on here about it if I recall. The 30k figure seems to be a talking point circulated without evidence from Israeli sources. I have no doubt that thousands were killed. Iran is a murderous ideological regime. It is what murderous ideological regimes do.The US and Israel are offering nothing here for the Iranian people. They are murdering their children instead.
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The 30k came from iranian doctors and then 36k was referenced in IRGC's own documents.

The Americans or Israelis have fucked up massively in hitting a school adjacent to an IRGC building, but they aren't setting out to murder Iranian children. Are we to have Gaza rhetoric imported here? Despite revised Hamas figures showing victims of the 'genocide' were - quelle surprise - skew heavily towards fighting age men, I guess the Jews will always be baby killers for a certain type?

And of course the Iranian regime is also ultimately responsible for the death toll there, as well as substantially responsible for 650k killed in Syria, 377k in Yemen (including 85k kids starved to death) and hundreds of thousands more across the region across the years.
baggageandfibs said:
Epstein files, Israeli Kompromat, military adventurism, Trump legacy, poor polling. These are all higher in the thoughts of Trump than the freedom of Iranian people.
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Everyone's a Ryan now
 
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egb_hibs said:
The 30k came from iranian doctors and then 36k was referenced in IRGC's own documents.

The Americans or Israelis have fucked up massively in hitting a school adjacent to an IRGC building, but they aren't setting out to murder Iranian children. Are we to have Gaza rhetoric imported here? Despite revised Hamas figures showing victims of the 'genocide' were - quelle surprise - hugely loaded towards fighting age men, I guess the Jews will always be baby killers for a certain type?

And of course the Iranian regime is also ultimately responsible for the death toll there, as well as substantially responsible for 650k killed in Syria, 377k in Yemen (including 85k kids starved to death) and hundreds of thousands more across the region across the years.

Everyone's a Ryan now
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Wild, even for you. I don't like babykillers whoever they are, you seem more factional on this point. As for the Ryan comment the only part that is speculation in my list of things cares about more than Iranian civilians is the Israeli Kompromat. Everything else is clear and present and you'd have to be incredibly naive (or factional) to believe they are not a part of the calculation.
 
baggageandfibs said:
Wild, even for you. I don't like babykillers whoever they are, you seem more factional on this point.
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What's wild? You are the one suggesting Israel is setting out to murder Iranian children.

Information isnt wild, goggle eyed resort to tropes like this is wild.
baggageandfibs said:
As for the Ryan comment the only part that is speculation in my list of things cares about more than Iranian civilians is the Israeli Kompromat. Everything else is clear and present and you'd have to be incredibly naive (or factional) to believe they are not a part of the calculation.
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And yet you seem to have excluded that Iran is enemy number 2 on America's list, and certainly in the worldview of the Trump administration, and that they have given the yanks the pretext for action by massacring democracy campaigners: killing nearly as any civilians in two days as were killed in two years in Gaza.

In other words, your speculation manages to dismiss the most obvious and proximate causes while favouring a Ryanesque view of the world. The latter seems to have gone mainstream of late tbh.
 
What tropes? You resort to this baseless name calling all the time.

You've mentioned that the school was next to an IRGC building. Clearly Israel would have had the intelligence that the school was next door and would have been full of children. If it's not murder what would you call it? In fact scratch that, I don't want to know how you will attempt to minimise or spin it.

A deal was within reach, you conveniently ignore that, doesn't fit the narrative. Check out this Ryanesque view of the world from some radical in the US.
www.theguardian.com

‘Diversionary war’: Trump wants to distract Americans from scandals at home | Christopher S Chivvis

Iran strikes are attempt to hijack the global narrative and drown out Epstein and tariffs with the thunder of cruise missiles
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Before anyone is taken in by egbs expected pro Israel rehtoric ("genocide" as he emphasis in inverted commas) which will go on and on as these events unfold and the likewise his formal logic that of the MSM which will be aflush with tonight and tomorrow and be lamentable.
I just read this, which was written by leading RCP theorist Alan Woods earlier today. Read this brilliant analysis which nails this multifacital venture that torrents of such drivel won't even touch.

The war on Iran: where do communists stand?

In the morning of Saturday 20 March, Tehran was shaken by a series of loud explosions
marxist.com marxist.com

BIG G
 
baggageandfibs said:
Big G has just given you an example. I remember commenting on it myself at the time. Don't know what your point is or what you are trying to achieve? Israel just murdered 80 girls, but they're just collateral damage in a just war yeah?

According to the Omani intermediary during the talks there had been a breakthrough in the talks and a deal was close. Too close for the Israelis and now here we are. It is possible to both despise the Iranian regime and the blatant abuse of power of the Israeli regime and the US regime. I know because that is my position and the view of many others. They are all undemocratic, authoritarian regimes.

You seriously think Trump cares about Iranians? All a deflection. All of Netanyahu's wildest fantasies are coming true enabled by a deeply compromised maniac in the White House.
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One RCP link... Fuck sake this place has chucked it! Back to my vino....
 
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