bigmanandy
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Seemingly a old video
Iran is very complex though, very tribal in parts with different factions, i just dont see this simply being very peaceful down the line
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emerald green
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are they no bombing US bases there?Haud on its the Iranians striking Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Saudi, which makes more sense
And which is also a wee reminder why the only thing preventing a regional nuclear arms race is American / Israeli guarantees that Iran will not get the bomb.
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Mr Hibs
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I'm not even sure the world cup will happen at this stage.
baggageandfibs
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Hard to believe there are not multiple Iranian sleeper cells across the west. World Cup would be a prime target.
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My thoughts too - big crowds all over the country.
baggageandfibs
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Over 80 kids estimated to have been killed in the school bombing now. Sick. How is that going to win hearts and minds, most likely will just turn people toward the regime.
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Horrendous. But then their own government recently massacred 30,000 on their streets....
It's quite peculiar that there was very little comment on here when that happened. Though now of course Israel and the USA are involved the condemnation needs no encouragement.
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Trump has launched this attack from Florida without any input from Congress or the House of Representatives which makes it technically illegal. No doubt inspired by his domestic woes and Netanyahu dropping poison in his ear. This is the man who tried to award himself the Nobel Peace Prize a few weeks ago
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@Smurf I've posted stuff on the Bounce from the RCP from comrades in Iran at the time about the regimes activities and the contagious response of the people prior to not only the latest uprising but the previous two.I never recall you commenting. It may not fall well with you but @egb_hibs to his credit did general agreed with the content and analysis when MSM here in large ignored it.
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I highlighted several times the atrocity. The mass murder of Iranians from their own government. Seems though unless it's Israel killing nobody is interested.
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There was plenty of discussion on here about it if I recall. The 30k figure seems to be a talking point circulated without evidence from Israeli sources. I have no doubt that thousands were killed. Iran is a murderous ideological regime. It is what murderous ideological regimes do.The US and Israel are offering nothing here for the Iranian people. They are murdering their children instead.
Epstein files, Israeli Kompromat, military adventurism, Trump legacy, poor polling. These are all higher in the thoughts of Trump than the freedom of Iranian people.
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He does not give one monkey's fuck about Iranian, Venezuelan or obviously Palestinian people. Imperialism doesnae.
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66 million Shias in Iran, even if Trump takes out the leadership what a mess he's going to make.
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There really wasn't.
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Big G has just given you an example. I remember commenting on it myself at the time. Don't know what your point is or what you are trying to achieve? Israel just murdered 80 girls, but they're just collateral damage in a just war yeah?
According to the Omani intermediary during the talks there had been a breakthrough in the talks and a deal was close. Too close for the Israelis and now here we are. It is possible to both despise the Iranian regime and the blatant abuse of power of the Israeli regime and the US regime. I know because that is my position and the view of many others. They are all undemocratic, authoritarian regimes.
You seriously think Trump cares about Iranians? All a deflection. All of Netanyahu's wildest fantasies are coming true enabled by a deeply compromised maniac in the White House.
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The 30k came from iranian doctors and then 36k was referenced in IRGC's own documents.
The Americans or Israelis have fucked up massively in hitting a school adjacent to an IRGC building, but they aren't setting out to murder Iranian children. Are we to have Gaza rhetoric imported here? Despite revised Hamas figures showing victims of the 'genocide' were - quelle surprise - skew heavily towards fighting age men, I guess the Jews will always be baby killers for a certain type?
And of course the Iranian regime is also ultimately responsible for the death toll there, as well as substantially responsible for 650k killed in Syria, 377k in Yemen (including 85k kids starved to death) and hundreds of thousands more across the region across the years.
Everyone's a Ryan now
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egb_hibs
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You have a point on the follies of liberal adventurism but this is nonsense. Antique buzzwords have no bearing on these events.
It certainly is
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baggageandfibs
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Wild, even for you. I don't like babykillers whoever they are, you seem more factional on this point. As for the Ryan comment the only part that is speculation in my list of things cares about more than Iranian civilians is the Israeli Kompromat. Everything else is clear and present and you'd have to be incredibly naive (or factional) to believe they are not a part of the calculation.
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What's wild? You are the one suggesting Israel is setting out to murder Iranian children.
Information isnt wild, goggle eyed resort to tropes like this is wild.
And yet you seem to have excluded that Iran is enemy number 2 on America's list, and certainly in the worldview of the Trump administration, and that they have given the yanks the pretext for action by massacring democracy campaigners: killing nearly as any civilians in two days as were killed in two years in Gaza.
In other words, your speculation manages to dismiss the most obvious and proximate causes while favouring a Ryanesque view of the world. The latter seems to have gone mainstream of late tbh.
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What tropes? You resort to this baseless name calling all the time.
You've mentioned that the school was next to an IRGC building. Clearly Israel would have had the intelligence that the school was next door and would have been full of children. If it's not murder what would you call it? In fact scratch that, I don't want to know how you will attempt to minimise or spin it.
A deal was within reach, you conveniently ignore that, doesn't fit the narrative. Check out this Ryanesque view of the world from some radical in the US.
www.theguardian.com
You've mentioned that the school was next to an IRGC building. Clearly Israel would have had the intelligence that the school was next door and would have been full of children. If it's not murder what would you call it? In fact scratch that, I don't want to know how you will attempt to minimise or spin it.
A deal was within reach, you conveniently ignore that, doesn't fit the narrative. Check out this Ryanesque view of the world from some radical in the US.
‘Diversionary war’: Trump wants to distract Americans from scandals at home | Christopher S Chivvis
Iran strikes are attempt to hijack the global narrative and drown out Epstein and tariffs with the thunder of cruise missiles
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Before anyone is taken in by egbs expected pro Israel rehtoric ("genocide" as he emphasis in inverted commas) which will go on and on as these events unfold and the likewise his formal logic that of the MSM which will be aflush with tonight and tomorrow and be lamentable.
I just read this, which was written by leading RCP theorist Alan Woods earlier today. Read this brilliant analysis which nails this multifacital venture that torrents of such drivel won't even touch.
marxist.com
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I just read this, which was written by leading RCP theorist Alan Woods earlier today. Read this brilliant analysis which nails this multifacital venture that torrents of such drivel won't even touch.
The war on Iran: where do communists stand?
In the morning of Saturday 20 March, Tehran was shaken by a series of loud explosions
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One RCP link... Fuck sake this place has chucked it! Back to my vino....
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That jews set out to murder children. It goes back a long long way and has been de rigeur again in recent times.
What name did I call you?
I'd call it a tragedy and a monumental and horrific fuck up. Murder, however, is intentional killing. If we are to redefine it like we have seemingly redefined genocide, it begs the question why?
Another question might be why you have already spilled more words on this incident than on 30k people murdered by regime - and a chunk of the words you have issued on the latter, appeared to be focused on calling the figure into question with a dig at the you-know-whos.
Earlier in the thread you also spilled more words on Palestine than on that massacre, despite the thread being about Iran.
Its strange behaviour, though you are obviously not alone.
What narrative? I'm not ignoring anything. I don't know what went on in these talks but would not be surprised if they were a diversion while America readied itself to go after its main enemy after China - who can't be fought this way - as I suspect the people behind Trump have been itching to do, and after Iran gave them the pretext. That may be right or wrong, but it seems a credible hypothesis to me. (edit - just read Gordon's article and that seems also to be the RCP's theory - before it all goes a bit mental)A deal was within reach, you conveniently ignore that, doesn't fit the narrative. Check out this Ryanesque view of the world from some radical in the US.
‘Diversionary war’: Trump wants to distract Americans from scandals at home | Christopher S Chivvis
Iran strikes are attempt to hijack the global narrative and drown out Epstein and tariffs with the thunder of cruise missiles
That wars are started to change the front pages I am less persuaded by. Not least wars that will be deeply unpopular with Trump's voter base. I mean things rarely happen for a single reason but tbh I think Trump's mob taking the opportunity to pursue a longstanding geopolitical goal seems likely to be the central one. I think that's what starting with the observable facts suggests, rather than the requirements of a self fulfilling narrative.
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egb_hibs
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Do communists really wait for magazines to tell them where they stand on an issue?Before anyone is taken in by egbs expected pro Israel rehtoric ("genocide" as he emphasis in inverted commas) which will go on and on as these events unfold and the likewise his formal logic that of the MSM which will be aflush with tonight and tomorrow and be lamentable.
I just read this, which was written by leading RCP theorist Alan Woods earlier today. Read this brilliant analysis which nails this multifacital venture that torrents of such drivel won't even touch.
The war on Iran: where do communists stand?
In the morning of Saturday 20 March, Tehran was shaken by a series of loud explosions
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I'm not sure what this rest of this means
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You debase the reality of anti-semitism by labelling (or inferring) that everything or everyone who dissents or differs from your world view is anti-semitic.What is the question? If you are trawling my posts I am sure you will see that I loathe the Iranian regime and have unequivocally said so many times. Funny thing is I kinda loathe all murderous authoritarian regimes. But yeah strange behaviour, must be an anti-semite!
Also if you don't think Trump would start a war to divert attention from his disaster poling you are not paying attention. There are so many instances of him saying it about Obama between 2012-2014 that it is literally a meme at this point.
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Interesting piece, especially the analysis that they only have weapons to last 10-14 days.Before anyone is taken in by egbs expected pro Israel rehtoric ("genocide" as he emphasis in inverted commas) which will go on and on as these events unfold and the likewise his formal logic that of the MSM which will be aflush with tonight and tomorrow and be lamentable.
I just read this, which was written by leading RCP theorist Alan Woods earlier today. Read this brilliant analysis which nails this multifacital venture that torrents of such drivel won't even touch.
The war on Iran: where do communists stand?
In the morning of Saturday 20 March, Tehran was shaken by a series of loud explosions
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See this, does this mean war hawks in the background of American politics will just always get their way? One of the very few supposed redeeming features of this arsehole Trump was that he wasnt going to listen to these fucks.
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I refer you to the previous post
So your template for this interpretation is Donald Trump's own habits on social media? OK.
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First point I don't know what you are talking about. 2nd point the fact that he said it multiple times would seem to be a pretty good source yeah.
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I said were I stood on here long before reading it. I know that you can't resist being a patronising, condescending bastard in reply to most posters but do try.
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Exactly. And it will infuriate his base who voted for that which is one problem with your theory.
You give Donald Trump more credit than I do. I think this likely more to do with the thinkers behind him. That said he has been an Iran hawk since day one of his first term. I mean it's not surprising given Iran are indeed the biggest threat to American interests after China, and the Trump regime is nothing if not belligerent where it perceives such threats.
But.... the American right is more against 'forever wars' than they are against pretty much everything else. And the increasingly influential far right even more so, and especially to anything from which Israel might gain. So it's a highly risky game for him to play if his objective is to quell their rage over Epstein
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I rather think it's the magazine that's being condescending G. Glad to see they dont have the hold over you they seem to assume.
As for me, I'm a helluva lot less sneering than you, even when confronted by the most poisonous guff. I mean look in a mirror once in a while ffs
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What theory?
Credit where? I'm sure folk like yourself were the ones saying that Trump could or would stop these interventions. Or have I got that wrong?
Sorry this is confusing. Either the American right just told him to do it, so very much not against forever wars, or Trump has done it cos he has a (tiny wee) lob-on for attacking Iran
