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Sancho Panza said:
There is no genocide. You clearly have not the faintest idea what that word actually means.
Being pro-Palestine is the default opinion of every midwit luvvie in the Arts establishment unless you've been living under a rock for the past 3 years.
A fine list of antisemitic scumbags you've provided there. Waters is particularly vile with his ranting about 'Zionist' control of the British government.
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You’re right, I don’t know what genocide mean. But the experts do and they’ve come to the same conclusion.

International Association of Genocide Scholars
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Melanie O’Brien, professor of international law and genocide scholar
A large group of UN special rapporteurs and independent experts
 
Hussein_theHibee said:
You’re right, I don’t know what genocide mean. But the experts do and they’ve come to the same conclusion.

International Association of Genocide Scholars
Amnesty International
Human Rights Watch
Melanie O’Brien, professor of international law and genocide scholar
A large group of UN special rapporteurs and independent experts
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The Israelis are doing some horrible shit, as are hamas and hezbolah but genocide it isn’t. The Palestinian population has grown from just over 1mill in 1948 to just under 6mill today. If they are attempting genocide they’re not very good at it
 
paigntonhibby said:
The Israelis are doing some horrible shit, as are hamas and hezbolah but genocide it isn’t. The Palestinian population has grown from just over 1mill in 1948 to just under 6mill today. If they are attempting genocide they’re not very good at it
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paigntonhibby said:
The Israelis are doing some horrible shit, as are hamas and hezbolah but genocide it isn’t. The Palestinian population has grown from just over 1mill in 1948 to just under 6mill today. If they are attempting genocide they’re not very good at it
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I’m not sure you know what genocide means either.
Genocide doesn’t require successfully destroying the entire population

The Genocide Convention defines genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy a protected group “in whole or in part.”

Rwanda is probably the clearest example showing why population growth does not, by itself, rule out genocide

So again, I provided the genocide scholars and groups that indicate there is genocide happening. I’ll wait for you to bring something substantial…
 
Hussein_theHibee said:
I’m not sure you know what genocide means either.
Genocide doesn’t require successfully destroying the entire population

The Genocide Convention defines genocide as acts committed with intent to destroy a protected group “in whole or in part.”

Rwanda is probably the clearest example showing why population growth does not, by itself, rule out genocide

So again, I provided the genocide scholars and groups that indicate there is genocide happening. I’ll wait for you to bring something substantial…
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aggie said:
So, then, going by that definition, everything that every Palestinian regime has ever done to Israel, in line with their openly stated intent?
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No, because, besides anything else, the Genocide Convention is based on actions not thoughts or ideas. This is one of the reasons its so hard to prove. You have to be able to examine actions and be able to show intent.
In any case, much of this is getting a bit desperate. I'm not saying we always have to believe 'experts' such as genocide scholars who spend all of their time studying genocide, but their views surely must have some currency, especially given a decent number are Israeli. And many started off saying that it wasn't genocide but as things progressed and more of the behaviour of the IDF conformed to various facets of genocide, they changed their minds. Remember to be genocide it doesn't have to conform to all 5 aspects of the Conventions definition.
The other side, from what I can see, are a mix of committed Zionists, both Jewish and Christian who wouldn't say it was genocide no matter what Israel did and..... who else with any expertise?
I can't open Sancho's links but wouldn't expect a powerful rebuttal to these scholars, the international court (who don't say its genocide but suggest its a plausible case) and pretty much all human rights organisations including Israeli ones.
 
Gareth said:
No, because, besides anything else, the Genocide Convention is based on actions not thoughts or ideas. This is one of the reasons its so hard to prove. You have to be able to examine actions and be able to show intent.
In any case, much of this is getting a bit desperate. I'm not saying we always have to believe 'experts' such as genocide scholars who spend all of their time studying genocide, but their views surely must have some currency, especially given a decent number are Israeli. And many started off saying that it wasn't genocide but as things progressed and more of the behaviour of the IDF conformed to various facets of genocide, they changed their minds. Remember to be genocide it doesn't have to conform to all 5 aspects of the Conventions definition.
The other side, from what I can see, are a mix of committed Zionists, both Jewish and Christian who wouldn't say it was genocide no matter what Israel did and..... who else with any expertise?
I can't open Sancho's links but wouldn't expect a powerful rebuttal to these scholars, the international court (who don't say its genocide but suggest its a plausible case) and pretty much all human rights organisations including Israeli ones.
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Is Simon Schama not a scholar?

www.thejc.com

The ‘Gaza genocide’ claim is a blood libel, says Simon Schama - The Jewish Chronicle

Acclaimed historian made the comment in his keynote address to the Holocaust Educational Trust annual dinner
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Or Deborah Lipstadt, or Simon Sebag Montefiore, or Niall Ferguson? Or are these all the wrong sort of scholars?

www.creativecommunityforpeace.com

More Than 6,000 Leaders Across Entertainment, Academia and Public Life Unite to Reject “Genocide” Accusation Against Israel

Boris Johnson, Deborah Lipstadt, Sir Niall Ferguson, Shari Redstone, Steven Pinker, Benny Morris, Sherry Lansing, Simon Sebag Montefiore, Chief Rabbi Warren Goldstein, Irwin Cotler, Debra Messing and thousands of others reject the genocide accusation against Israel and warn that it
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Or that this disingenuous bullshit is fueling a tsunami of antisemitism worldwide that would make Julius Streicher proud.

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Gareth said:
No, because, besides anything else, the Genocide Convention is based on actions not thoughts or ideas. This is one of the reasons its so hard to prove. You have to be able to examine actions and be able to show intent.
In any case, much of this is getting a bit desperate. I'm not saying we always have to believe 'experts' such as genocide scholars who spend all of their time studying genocide, but their views surely must have some currency, especially given a decent number are Israeli. And many started off saying that it wasn't genocide but as things progressed and more of the behaviour of the IDF conformed to various facets of genocide, they changed their minds. Remember to be genocide it doesn't have to conform to all 5 aspects of the Conventions definition.
The other side, from what I can see, are a mix of committed Zionists, both Jewish and Christian who wouldn't say it was genocide no matter what Israel did and..... who else with any expertise?
I can't open Sancho's links but wouldn't expect a powerful rebuttal to these scholars, the international court (who don't say its genocide but suggest its a plausible case) and pretty much all human rights organisations including Israeli ones.
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Whatever. Jesus Christ man. All this “right side of history” stuff. Im content that I know what I think is right and wrong. And what’s a backwards ideology and what isn’t. And what every one of you would do if you had to live with what Israel had to live with: ie the people in the next garden who wanted you dead. Not just moved: dead. Gone.
 
aggie said:
Whatever. Jesus Christ man. All this “right side of history” stuff. Im content that I know what I think is right and wrong. And what’s a backwards ideology and what isn’t. And what every one of you would do if you had to live with what Israel had to live with: ie the people in the next garden who wanted you dead. Not just moved: dead. Gone.
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I'm going to put that in part down to the shitshow at easter road today. I'm fine with you knowing what you think is right and wrong and I don't particularly care what you think you'd do if you were an Israeli.
The reason I replied to you is because I think you are usually up for reasonable discussion. Others on here much less so. But whatevs back I suppose
 
The fuss over this new Sydney Sweeney ad seems like a whole load of nothing.

The general ire from those upset about it seems to be that she is denigrating women in sport... But the ad doesn't mention women in sport. It just mentions betting on sport while Ms Sweeney uses various bits of sporting equipment to barely disguise the fact she has her whoppers out.

I watched the ad several times to ensure I had my facts right.

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Two Headed Boy said:
The fuss over this new Sydney Sweeney ad seems like a whole load of nothing.

The general ire from those upset about it seems to be that she is denigrating women in sport... But the ad doesn't mention women in sport. It just mentions betting on sport while Ms Sweeney uses various bits sporting equipment to barely disguise the fact she has her whoppers out.

I watched the ad several times to ensure I had my facts right.

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It's total hypocrisy. Sweeney seems to have become the new punch bag for the progressive left because she's good looking and a conservative.

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Sharron Davies HoL MBE (@sharrond62) on X

Yesterday I counted at least 8 naked shoots that left wing sports mag & tv station ESPN did with mainly women! So quite a lot of hypocrisy out there. Sweeney is promoting a betting site. She’s not a sports woman either. I’m disappointed rather a lot of ‘feminist’ sports women are up in arms that a…
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Two Headed Boy said:
The fuss over this new Sydney Sweeney ad seems like a whole load of nothing.

The general ire from those upset about it seems to be that she is denigrating women in sport... But the ad doesn't mention women in sport. It just mentions betting on sport while Ms Sweeney uses various bits sporting equipment to barely disguise the fact she has her whoppers out.

I watched the ad several times to ensure I had my facts right.

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Thank you for researching that on our behalf.
Saved me the bother of watching the video.












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A non practising white 🤣🤣🤣🤣 these fuckers are bonkers.......


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Two Headed Boy said:
The fuss over this new Sydney Sweeney ad seems like a whole load of nothing.

The general ire from those upset about it seems to be that she is denigrating women in sport... But the ad doesn't mention women in sport. It just mentions betting on sport while Ms Sweeney uses various bits of sporting equipment to barely disguise the fact she has her whoppers out.

I watched the ad several times to ensure I had my facts right.

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"Sydney Sweeney set women's sports back 20 years"
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Beagle said:
The very wealthy Charlotte Church and the very wealthy Ed Sheeran. Dafties, aye? 🤣
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Yep Beagle. As we all know wealth doesn't bring happiness (or so the wealthy say). 🙄

But it's great watching them going after each other dontcha think?
 
Surely the beloved ed is absolutely mega wealthy whereas charlotte merely comfortably well off. No comparison. The whole episode an utter shitshow all round. Cancel culture definetely not just a left wing issue. That was always the case anyway and its only free speech if it concurs with which side of the divide your on. Funny though how kanye can play there is it not. Hypocrisy taken to another level.
 
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It all started when shoe brand Converse, which is owned by Nike, released a new ad campaign for its Chuck 70 X sneakers featuring K-pop artist Karina. If you watch the full campaign video, nothing about it will seem out of the ordinary.

In another example of America’s mental-health crisis, one white woman on TikTok – who claims to be ‘nonbinary’, because of course she does – was so eager to virtue-signal to her fellow white allies that she filmed herself lighting her Converse shoes on fire.

The unhinged video quickly went viral and racked up nearly six million views. Inside her echo chamber of adoring white ‘allies’, she was lauded as stunning and brave, with no one pointing out the obvious: she had already paid for the shoes, and so her stunt accomplished nothing other than creating a minor fire hazard.


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EH17 Jimmy said:
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It all started when shoe brand Converse, which is owned by Nike, released a new ad campaign for its Chuck 70 X sneakers featuring K-pop artist Karina. If you watch the full campaign video, nothing about it will seem out of the ordinary.

In another example of America’s mental-health crisis, one white woman on TikTok – who claims to be ‘nonbinary’, because of course she does – was so eager to virtue-signal to her fellow white allies that she filmed herself lighting her Converse shoes on fire.

The unhinged video quickly went viral and racked up nearly six million views. Inside her echo chamber of adoring white ‘allies’, she was lauded as stunning and brave, with no one pointing out the obvious: she had already paid for the shoes, and so her stunt accomplished nothing other than creating a minor fire hazard.


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I'll see that, Jimmy, and raise you this. Beat it if you can. 🤣

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I promise you’re not even slightly prepared for how INSANE this story is. Not only has the town they’re in not had a single COVID case in months but it was originally founded as a commie bar for lesbians where paying was optional. Eventually almost no one paid the cover fee (predictable) and 2 of t…
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Na you win Sancho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That is batshit crazy. These fuckers provide hours of fun 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


"you forgot to mention that one bar founder used it/its pronouns, and the main instigator of the hate campaign against the bar is a gender expansive lesbian identifying as a black man using he/him pronouns, who isn't a regular and lives an hour away."
 
The link for the Boston Globe article works in the paywall reader.

It's even more bonkers than the bit the lad posted.

From the article.......


Just after midnight, one patron is left at the bar, a regular who works at the Mexican restaurant next door.

She wonders aloud about holding a Lady Gaga themed night, but Mixxy demurs. “Gaga is canceled,” she says. “Gaga is Zionist.”

The DJ is still playing EDM, and Matellian is alone on the checkered dance floor, making pensive, graceful loops on the stripper pole, KN-95 mask in place.
 
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EH17 Jimmy said:
Na you win Sancho 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

That is batshit crazy. These fuckers provide hours of fun 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣


"you forgot to mention that one bar founder used it/its pronouns, and the main instigator of the hate campaign against the bar is a gender expansive lesbian identifying as a black man using he/him pronouns, who isn't a regular and lives an hour away."
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Kind of begs the question, does woke make people mental or does it just attract crazies? 🤔
 
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