How woke is too woke?

I really need to publish my thesis here why middle aged men have an obsession with the trans folks.
And I'll publish mine on why so many middle aged men are misogynists who don't give a fuck about women's rights. It might have escaped your attention, but the EHRC ruling on single sex spaces was a pretty big thing. Even the BBC led with it the other day. But if you want to defend a homophobic, reality denying, woman hating cult, then knock yourself out. You're on the side of male rapists housed in women's prisons, men stealing women's sporting titles and all the rest of this vile men's rights movement. You're not the good guys here.
 
And I'll publish mine on why so many middle aged men are misogynists who don't give a fuck about women's rights. It might have escaped your attention, but the EHRC ruling on single sex spaces was a pretty big thing. Even the BBC led with it the other day. But if you want to defend a homophobic, reality denying, woman hating cult, then knock yourself out. You're on the side of male rapists housed in women's prisons, men stealing women's sporting titles and all the rest of this vile men's rights movement. You're not the good guys here.
Sancho, you're doing that thing of making it a binary issue. No pun intended!

Its not. Its very gray. And theres love, solace, understanding, to be given in this area.

Itll take a while to work through it all. But we will. It'll be similar to when gay folk got their rights in the early 70s.
 
I really need to publish my thesis here why middle aged men have an obsession with the trans folks.
Middle aged men with wives, partners, sister's, mother's, daughter's & niece's - The Women Who Wouldn't Wheesht. How dare we fuckin so called transphobes on a football message board, dare to share their opinions, concerns and worries as their rights, fought for many years, are eroded and removed.

But come on give us your thesis from a male perspective who couldn't give a fuck what women think as you know best....
 
G, I've dipped in for the first time in god knows how long to find that this thread is still an absolute bigot magnet. Is there any way to delete the fecking thing? I started it when this place was still normal and good faith discussions could still be had.
Bigot being someone who's views you disagree with. Good faith discussion? Alright, give us one. Give me a cogent argument for why you think adult men should be allowed to undress in front of non-consenting women and girls. Let me know if you think it's ok for male sex offenders to be housed in women's prisons. That used to be basic fucking safeguarding until the world went mental about 10 years ago and objective scientific reality became persona non grata. No wonder EGB bailed on this place.
 
Sancho, you're doing that thing of making it a binary issue. No pun intended!

Its not. Its very gray. And theres love, solace, understanding, to be given in this area.

Itll take a while to work through it all. But we will. It'll be similar to when gay folk got their rights in the early 70s.
It's nothing like gay rights. Gay people just wanted to be accepted as normal members of society where their sexuality would be the least important thing about them. They didn't demand access to opposite sex spaces. Trans people have the same rights as everyone else. What they are demanding are privileges to which women object.
Check out the Giggle v Tickle case in Australia. Women have literally no right to assemble without men present if they 'identity' as women.
Misogyny is like antisemitism. It never goes away, just mutates into different forms.
 
Isla Bryson? Any issue with it? You're a bigot.

The Bounce 2026. Unreal.
Think we're fighting a losing rear guard action here, bud. Scientific reality and objectivity make you a bigot now. Who would have thought it? There are huge tasks facing us as a society and we're arguing over stuff that was settled hundreds, if not thousands, of years ago. We can't go at the pace of the slowest person in the class ffs. 🙄
 
Fucking hell. Moths to a flame. Jim and Mark absolutely hated you *&*^.
So I'll take that as a no, then. Ad hom rather than argument. We'll done you. Give yourself a big pat on the back. Can't argue with that sort of logic.
 
G, I've dipped in for the first time in god knows how long to find that this thread is still an absolute bigot magnet. Is there any way to delete the fecking thing? I started it when this place was still normal and good faith discussions could still be had.
Who are the bigots? People you disagree with?
 
Fucking hell. Moths to a flame. Jim and Mark absolutely hated you *&*^.
Did they? Would they have hated what happened to my granddaughter?

Would they have hated that she is scared of men?

Would they have hated she doesn't want men in changing rooms?

You fuckin weirdos have no fuckin idea what lassies think.

Only that you have to get your way.
 
G, I've dipped in for the first time in god knows how long to find that this thread is still an absolute bigot magnet. Is there any way to delete the fecking thing? I started it when this place was still normal and good faith discussions could still be had.
Might it be better to engage on the public policy issues rather than berate people?
 
Did they? Would they have hated what happened to my granddaughter?

Would they have hated that she is scared of men?

Would they have hated she doesn't want men in changing rooms?

You fuckin weirdos have no fuckin idea what lassies think.

Only that you have to get your way.
Spot on Jimmy. The other thing is the horrendous effect of this ideology on children and young adults. Gay and autistic kids being sterilised and turned into eunuchs. There is no such thing as a trans child. If a 4 year old thinks they were born in the wrong body, it's because a creepy adult put that idea there.
All these middle aged autogynephiles need the trans child to exist, because without it, they're just creepy men with a fetish.
I've mentioned Hannah Barnes' excellent book on the Tavistock scandal before. Should be mandatory reading but the usual suspects who call us bigots for objecting won't bother.
The other noticeable thing is that you never see middle aged women suddenly announcing that they are men, start dressing in their husband's y-fronts and demanding access to men's sports and men's prisons. The horrific story I posted earlier shows why that doesn't happen.
As Margaret Atwood said, men are scared that women will laugh at them, women are scared that men will kill them.
 
The devastation in my family is immense mate. Everyday is struggle.

We will see what sentence gets handed out and hopefully (but not likely) get justice.
 
Reminder to self: never post forum grenades when plastered then forget about it 🤣

Cheers for the replies gentlemen. I'll post my thesis this week - and don't worry, contrary to accusations its not smutty, its actually serious!

Now to enjoy the sunshine today ☀️
 
Reminder to self: never post forum grenades when plastered then forget about it 🤣

Cheers for the replies gentlemen. I'll post my thesis this week - and don't worry, contrary to accusations its not smutty, its actually serious!

Now to enjoy the sunshine today ☀️
Interesting. I'm assuming you will frame the arguments from a public policy and individual rights perspective?
 
Did they? Would they have hated what happened to my granddaughter?

Would they have hated that she is scared of men?

Would they have hated she doesn't want men in changing rooms?

You fuckin weirdos have no fuckin idea what lassies think.

Only that you have to get your way.
Thats the correct analogy imho. The fact that many folk werent willing to listen to women and girls concerns staggers me. Its not bigoted to worry about your childrens mental health. There needs to be a meeting in the middle. One solution was to have male,female and unisex toilets. Surely if that alleviates women and girls worries that seems worth a go. By calling folk bigots for having totally genuine concerns for the rights of women is off the scale bonkers and smacks of intransigence and only seeing things from one point of view. There always tends to negotition in most things in life but by trying to silence legitimate concerns seems a ridiculous strategy to me and probably loses a huge amount of goodwill from the public. I try to stay out these arguments as its do frustrating seeing folk think they are 100% correct and not listening to others views. Unfortunately it seems the way society has gone in the last 10 years which i find incredibly frustrating and depressing.
 
Thats the correct analogy imho. The fact that many folk werent willing to listen to women and girls concerns staggers me. Its not bigoted to worry about your childrens mental health. There needs to be a meeting in the middle. One solution was to have male,female and unisex toilets. Surely if that alleviates women and girls worries that seems worth a go. By calling folk bigots for having totally genuine concerns for the rights of women is off the scale bonkers and smacks of intransigence and only seeing things from one point of view. There always tends to negotition in most things in life but by trying to silence legitimate concerns seems a ridiculous strategy to me and probably loses a huge amount of goodwill from the public. I try to stay out these arguments as its do frustrating seeing folk think they are 100% correct and not listening to others views. Unfortunately it seems the way society has gone in the last 10 years which i find incredibly frustrating and depressing.
That used to be my standpoint too, until I realised that these men don't want compromise. They need access to women's spaces to validate their fetish. Anything else is 'gender apartheid' or like racial segregation in the old US South.

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This Jason Arday story just gets more bizarre all the time.

That the laddie took his own life is tragic but the more barking side of the progressives are in full blame mode and fully politicising the lads death.

The good law project dafties have turned on the progressives media of choice.......


Now, Maugham has committed himself to exposing the journalists that apparently contributed to Arday’s death.

This week, he published a piece on the GLP’s website, attacking the Guardian’s supposed role. Maugham claims that he circulated the open letter to journalists he assumed would be sympathetic.

This included the Guardian’s Lanre Bakare, who happens to be mixed-race.

Maugham’s piece goes on to criticise the Guardian in extremely strong terms. ‘Why were black and brown journalists at the Guardian asked to do the heavy lifting?’, he asks, which is an odd question.

Why should the skin colour of a journalist matter at all? Was it wrong for black or brown journalists to cover the Arday story?

He then posted an extremely odd video on X, in which he effectively called for the resignation of Viner.

At the time, with no sense of irony, he called on his followers to stop the ‘abuse’ of other journalists ‘of colour’ at the Guardian, including Afua Hirsch, Nesrine Malik, Jason Okundaye and Joseph Harker, who had also written pieces that were not especially pro-Arday.

 
Its one horrible saga. The thing that sums up life now is nobody seems to think that the guy himself was a troubled soul who needed help. Anybody claiming to do what he claims he did is a fantasist. He needed help not being used as a political football from either side of the spectrum. A perfect illustration of a society split on political leanings and not the actual event happening. Sad and utterly depressing in equal measure.
 
Its one horrible saga. The thing that sums up life now is nobody seems to think that the guy himself was a troubled soul who needed help. Anybody claiming to do what he claims he did is a fantasist. He needed help not being used as a political football from either side of the spectrum. A perfect illustration of a society split on political leanings and not the actual event happening. Sad and utterly depressing in equal measure.
It absolutely is. Arday will forever be associated with a binary split: 'DEI conman' or 'lynched academic'. Of course the truth is much more complex and messy than that. It appears that protaganists can't (or won't) engage with that nuance and complexity. Depressing.
 
Its one horrible saga. The thing that sums up life now is nobody seems to think that the guy himself was a troubled soul who needed help. Anybody claiming to do what he claims he did is a fantasist. He needed help not being used as a political football from either side of the spectrum. A perfect illustration of a society split on political leanings and not the actual event happening. Sad and utterly depressing in equal measure.
I initially had some sympathy for him but lost it when I read about him siccing the Met and libel rottweilers Carter-Fuck onto the academic and the THES when they tried to question his bona fides back in 2023. He also accused students of racism when they questioned the grades he gave them. Not exactly the actions of some babe in the woods innocent.
 
I initially had some sympathy for him but lost it when I read about him siccing the Met and libel rottweilers Carter-Fuck onto the academic and the THES when they tried to question his bona fides back in 2023. He also accused students of racism when they questioned the grades he gave them. Not exactly the actions of some babe in the woods innocent.
He's fkn dead now though, not ashamed, that doesn't fit somehow. Normally someone accused would go to great lengths to deny it all first in tge media.

The stuff I've also seen about him being a good, caring father and decent person argues in his favour, if not proof of innocence.

We protesteth too much!
 
Its one horrible saga. The thing that sums up life now is nobody seems to think that the guy himself was a troubled soul who needed help. Anybody claiming to do what he claims he did is a fantasist. He needed help not being used as a political football from either side of the spectrum. A perfect illustration of a society split on political leanings and not the actual event happening. Sad and utterly depressing in equal measure.
The only people to blame for this sad situation are loonies who gave him the job without due diligence , to square with DEI ideology then started shouting from the rooftops that they had the youngest black professor in history, and then shouting that those revealing his lies were racist.
 
The only people to blame for this sad situation are loonies who gave him the job without due diligence , to square with DEI ideology then started shouting from the rooftops that they had the youngest black professor in history, and then shouting that those revealing his lies were racist.
And the hiring dafties apparently ignored some folk who were better qualified......


Arday had a Ph.D. in education, but only a modest publication record, and he’d been bouncing from one university to another. We know that among the people competing with Arday for the position were two more experienced women of color.

 
The only people to blame for this sad situation are loonies who gave him the job without due diligence , to square with DEI ideology then started shouting from the rooftops that they had the youngest black professor in history, and then shouting that those revealing his lies were racist.
And a lot of the kindly ones who are shrieking about press pile on's remain very very silent when JK Rowling is getting death threats constantly.

I eagerly await those same dafties to complain about the press pile on regarding Nigel Farage 🙄
 
Oor nigel cant have it both ways. Loves the publicity when its compliant media but doesnt like scrutiny. If he wants to be treated seriously he needs to be able to deal with media who are not his pals. Starmer was properly hounded by the press. Farage coverage mild in comparison.
 
This one is a belter. A top 'diversity' officer at Fife NHS.

Gets a decent wedge of cash

But poor Isla doesn't know if she is a man or a woman.

Personally I think she should be sacked because I would have though working in a hospital she has a duty to be impartial....



Isla Bumba, the equality and human rights lead at NHS Fife, is paid an annual salary reported to be between £50,061 and £59,159.

The position was advertised and filled at an Agenda for Change Band 7 level (initially ranging from approximately £40,872 to £47,846) before scaling up to over £50,000.


Isla Bumba, 29, is a senior “diversity officer” at NHS Fife.

At an employment tribunal on Wednesday, she was questioned about her advice that a trans woman – that is, a biological male – should be allowed to use a hospital’s female changing room.

And, during one extraordinary exchange, she told the tribunal that she doesn’t know what sex she is.

“I would hazard a guess that I would be female,” she said, with all solemnity.

“But no one knows what their chromosomes are, or their hormonal composition, unless you’ve had that tested – and I at least have not.”