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So it seems.
Maybe the ref isnt in a lodge and can't be trust......ah......forgot its the EPL, not the SPL.
 
Makes sense, but I think it should be agreed between everyone that if its inoperable then the referees have to do their job. I understand why it's not, because anyone can argue they lost points they wouldn't had VAR been operational.

Too many moving parts to be holding off games etc though.
What if it can't be fixed, are we sending everyone home.
Or if it crashes mid game, do we stop the game...?
 
Hammi said:
Makes sense, but I think it should be agreed between everyone that if its inoperable then the referees have to do their job. I understand why it's not, because anyone can argue they lost points they wouldn't had VAR been operational.

Too many moving parts to be holding off games etc though.
What if it can't be fixed, are we sending everyone home.
Or if it crashes mid game, do we stop the game...?
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You would have thought the EPL would have a a protocol for such a scenario
 
Hammi said:
Makes sense, but I think it should be agreed between everyone that if its inoperable then the referees have to do their job. I understand why it's not, because anyone can argue they lost points they wouldn't had VAR been operational.

Too many moving parts to be holding off games etc though.
What if it can't be fixed, are we sending everyone home.
Or if it crashes mid game, do we stop the game...?
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The game stopped today.
Granted it had started only for a couple of minutes, but everyone wandered about the pitch for about 10 minutes before the game was officially suspended.
 
VAR needed at Swansea v Cardiff. Obvious handball missed, penalty denied for Swansea.
 
Anyone care to explain this ?....at the Hearts v Celtic game at the week-end. Hearts get a penalty which is saved, however Ginnelly (who has illegally encroached into the penalty area before the kick was taken) scores with the rebound. VAR result ? The kick is retaken, a decision which favours the team that actually caused the infringement. They duly score with the penalty. Surely Hearts should have been penalised, and Celtic given a goal-kick ?
 
Greenmachine said:
Anyone care to explain this ?....at the Hearts v Celtic game at the week-end. Hearts get a penalty which is saved, however Ginnelly (who has illegally encroached into the penalty area before the kick was taken) scores with the rebound. VAR result ? The kick is retaken, a decision which favours the team that actually caused the infringement. They duly score with the penalty. Surely Hearts should have been penalised, and Celtic given a goal-kick ?
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The ref got it correct, even if it seems 'wrong'.
 
Greenmachine said:
Anyone care to explain this ?....at the Hearts v Celtic game at the week-end. Hearts get a penalty which is saved, however Ginnelly (who has illegally encroached into the penalty area before the kick was taken) scores with the rebound. VAR result ? The kick is retaken, a decision which favours the team that actually caused the infringement. They duly score with the penalty. Surely Hearts should have been penalised, and Celtic given a goal-kick ?
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It’s the same as in the champs league with rangers and Napoli, boy takes it and scored but has to be retaken cause mcgregor came off his line and then he saved the retake, mental rules
 
C4MMY said:
It’s the same as in the champs league with rangers and Napoli, boy takes it and scored but has to be retaken cause mcgregor came off his line and then he saved the retake, mental rules
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So McGregor left his line and Napoli scored? But had to retake it?

That's no right.
 
Greenmachine said:
Anyone care to explain this ?....at the Hearts v Celtic game at the week-end. Hearts get a penalty which is saved, however Ginnelly (who has illegally encroached into the penalty area before the kick was taken) scores with the rebound. VAR result ? The kick is retaken, a decision which favours the team that actually caused the infringement. They duly score with the penalty. Surely Hearts should have been penalised, and Celtic given a goal-kick ?
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Rangers players were also in the box before the penalty was struck.
 
Twatts red card overturned. Nae surprise there.
 
hibbybilly said:
Twatts red card overturned. Nae surprise there.
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Shambles of a decision to start with. Crazy how these *&*^ can still get it wrong with all this. Clearly they learnt nothing from the rest of the levies using it.

On the note of var see sweedens top flight have ruled against it with 9 of 16 clubs voting no.
 
C4MMY said:
Shambles of a decision to start with. Crazy how these *&*^ can still get it wrong with all this. Clearly they learnt nothing from the rest of the levies using it.

On the note of var see sweedens top flight have ruled against it with 9 of 16 clubs voting no.
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I would have been quite happy with decent goal line technology.
I don't think the incompetence transferring from the ref on the pitch to the ref off it makes any difference.
They all choose to see what they want. I think TWatts red card proves that.
(I still would have given the *&*^ a red card, but not for that tackle, just for beibg a TWatt.)
 
someone at my work, showed me a clip of the tackle from a different angle, and it was a shocker. Full contact , leg bending , it looked horrific.
Also, Twatts reaction to the red was one of acceptance, he knew it was a bad one.
 
Doc Shrink said:
I would have been quite happy with decent goal line technology.
I don't think the incompetence transferring from the ref on the pitch to the ref off it makes any difference.
They all choose to see what they want. I think TWatts red card proves that.
(I still would have given the *&*^ a red card, but not for that tackle, just for beibg a TWatt.)
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Sure I read goal line technology was more expensive than VAR.
Bound to be at the centre of penalty decisions tonight.
 
We need a fan movement to remove this shit, even the ugly sisters fans hate it we can all band together to kill the cow
 
cstkto said:
We need a fan movement to remove this shit, even the ugly sisters fans hate it we can all band together to kill the cow
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Can we? If the clubs got together and said they didn't want it in it's present form would they have any clout? It's absolutely killing the game in Scotland but that's solely down to the fucking useless refs and operators, who are themselves useless refs. I don't see the footballing authorities ever accepting/admitting that but it's plain to see. There surely can't be a neutral who thought that was a penalty last night or that Watt should have been red carded. Sheer fucking incompetence and we all saw it coming.
 
ILHTD said:
Can we? If the clubs got together and said they didn't want it in it's present form would they have any clout? It's absolutely killing the game in Scotland but that's solely down to the fucking useless refs and operators, who are themselves useless refs. I don't see the footballing authorities ever accepting/admitting that but it's plain to see. There surely can't be a neutral who thought that was a penalty last night or that Watt should have been red carded. Sheer fucking incompetence and we all saw it coming.
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It is possible, but when was anything done for the good of the game and not for individual gain of certain clubs?
Things get done for money.
 
ILHTD said:
Can we? If the clubs got together and said they didn't want it in it's present form would they have any clout? It's absolutely killing the game in Scotland but that's solely down to the fucking useless refs and operators, who are themselves useless refs. I don't see the footballing authorities ever accepting/admitting that but it's plain to see. There surely can't be a neutral who thought that was a penalty last night or that Watt should have been red carded. Sheer fucking incompetence and we all saw it coming.
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Had a sneaky wee look on keechback and even a lot of them are saying it wisnae a penalty
 
What we are seeing is the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law.
It works for goal line technology and for offside although it is annoying when it is marginal.

The penalty law needs a redraft now they have VAR.
Situations where there is slight contact or attacker induced contact need to be no foul.
The one last night was never a penalty.
The attacker was looking to induce contact. He had no intent or chance of scoring.
The ball from his contact was only going one place, over the bye line.
Only ways of scoring were taking it round the keeper or shooting. He attempts neither.
Marshall actions are to solely to block any shot. He doesn't take the attacker out.
 
Jack K said:
What we are seeing is the letter of the law and not the spirit of the law.
It works for goal line technology and for offside although it is annoying when it is marginal.

The penalty law needs a redraft now they have VAR.
Situations where there is slight contact or attacker induced contact need to be no foul.
The one last night was never a penalty.
The attacker was looking to induce contact. He had no intent or chance of scoring.
The ball from his contact was only going one place, over the bye line.
Only ways of scoring were taking it round the keeper or shooting. He attempts neither.
Marshall actions are to solely to block any shot. He doesn't take the attacker out.
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You are correct, and it will be interesting to see if any of the pundits agree.
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Quick VAR question.Last night Marshall saves a penalty play resumes a good wee while before the ref blows and decides it's a retake.What happens in the meantime if for instance we go up the other end and score a legitamate goal?The whole incident gets wiped out?
 
moathibby said:
Quick VAR question.Last night Marshall saves a penalty play resumes a good wee while before the ref blows and decides it's a retake.What happens in the meantime if for instance we go up the other end and score a legitamate goal?The whole incident gets wiped out?
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Yes.
No goal.
 
moathibby said:
Quick VAR question.Last night Marshall saves a penalty play resumes a good wee while before the ref blows and decides it's a retake.What happens in the meantime if for instance we go up the other end and score a legitamate goal?The whole incident gets wiped out?
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Penalty rangers
 
I see the SFA have apologised to the Smellies for a VAR cock-up against Motherwell. Haven't seen it, so no idea just how bad it was.

No doubt the apology to Hibs is in the post.




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Doc Shrink said:
I see the SFA have apologised to the Smellies for a VAR cock-up against Motherwell. Haven't seen it, so no idea just how bad it was.

No doubt the apology to Hibs is in the post.




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It's in relation to a Jota goal chalked off for offside.
I'm not seeing any apology merely an admission that one of the 18 yard cameras failed to record the incident but that the camera on the opposite side did and he was shown to be offside.
I presume they are releasing the information for transparency reasons
 
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