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Sancho Panza said:
The guy is a fucking dangerous clown but he didn't appear from nowhere. He's the product of voter dissatisfaction with complacent liberal progressives. See also Orban, Meloni, Le Pen, Farage etc. They didn't arise in a vacuum. They are the inevitable consequence of the global elite pissing on voters' heads and telling them it's raining.
This 'oh but they're worse, they started it!' is getting us nowhere fast. We need to have adult, grown-up conversations about the challenges facing Western liberal democracies, not childish name-calling. I don't give a fuck who started it but sane people need to end it.
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That's a different argument. But I do agree with you that it didn't come out of nowhere. You might not care who started it, but you are pretty clearly ascribing blame on 'complacent liberal progressives' and 'the global elite'.

I Think you are missing a key element. Trump and his political backers didn't just fall into the presidency. They weaponised dissatisfaction with that aim.

You could reasonably argue that's what politicians do. But the scale and ferocity of it really is unparalleled. The election denying, the constant beating of the race drum , the dehumanisation of people with different views, the perverse actions around the Ukraine and traditional allies and the transactional enrichment of the Trump family is unparalleled and should be called out.

The suggestion that calling this out is 'childish name calling' is the opposite of an adult discussion. If you want adults in the room you need to understand why they aren't there. And one of the really dangerous things about Trump is that his actions lead to a fundamental change in how the Presidency works beyond him. So many Democrats love Newsom because he does Trump style push backs. Really - is that what the world needs. Some Democrats say that, if in power, they should act the same way as Trump for their ends. That's just as bad. Although no doubt they could argue, as you appear to do, that their actions are justified as look what you made me do.

A final thought on why Trump isn't as passive in all this as you appear to think. I recall a discussion with a Trump voter (a lovely guy BTW) about his constant lies. His response? They all lie. That's called the liars dividend.

And it's the same when someone posts a meme that some random posts in response to the President and say they are as bad as each other. That's the false equivalence dividend. It allows for hand wringing about both sides and it gets Trump off the hook. By reducing it to the both are childish view it fundamentally ignores where the power lies and gives political space for the execution of that power. And that's what Trump and his backers want.
 
I don't read all threads on here,so apologies if this ( and probably has) been said on here already.
Aside from his latest putting people's faces on apes, where apparently a big boy did it and ran away. It actually dosent surprise me in the slightest that he has little control or interest more likely about what goes out supposedly by him.
The tariffs for example, he dosent even seem to understand how they work. I genuinely think he thinks that the exporting country pays them.
Some folk on here and in the real world give it the " oh, but he has a point ". No he dosent, he dosent have a Fuckin clue.
 
Archie said:
I can't think of any President, Republican or Democrat, who acted like Trump. Can you?

The whole 'bad as each other' effectively absolves Trump. And the suggestion that criticism of Trump is down to 'ideological preference ' has the same effect.
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The false equivalency argument. Just what the republicans want the narrative to be. Utter horseshit of course but hey ho.
 
Archie said:
That's a different argument. But I do agree with you that it didn't come out of nowhere. You might not care who started it, but you are pretty clearly ascribing blame on 'complacent liberal progressives' and 'the global elite'.

I Think you are missing a key element. Trump and his political backers didn't just fall into the presidency. They weaponised dissatisfaction with that aim.

You could reasonably argue that's what politicians do. But the scale and ferocity of it really is unparalleled. The election denying, the constant beating of the race drum , the dehumanisation of people with different views, the perverse actions around the Ukraine and traditional allies and the transactional enrichment of the Trump family is unparalleled and should be called out.

The suggestion that calling this out is 'childish name calling' is the opposite of an adult discussion. If you want adults in the room you need to understand why they aren't there. And one of the really dangerous things about Trump is that his actions lead to a fundamental change in how the Presidency works beyond him. So many Democrats love Newsom because he does Trump style push backs. Really - is that what the world needs. Some Democrats say that, if in power, they should act the same way as Trump for their ends. That's just as bad. Although no doubt they could argue, as you appear to do, that their actions are justified as look what you made me do.

A final thought on why Trump isn't as passive in all this as you appear to think. I recall a discussion with a Trump voter (a lovely guy BTW) about his constant lies. His response? They all lie. That's called the liars dividend.

And it's the same when someone posts a meme that some random posts in response to the President and say they are as bad as each other. That's the false equivalence dividend. It allows for hand wringing about both sides and it gets Trump off the hook. By reducing it to the both are childish view it fundamentally ignores where the power lies and gives political space for the execution of that power. And that's what Trump and his backers want.
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Spot on. My thoughts exactly.
 
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Archie said:
That's a different argument. But I do agree with you that it didn't come out of nowhere. You might not care who started it, but you are pretty clearly ascribing blame on 'complacent liberal progressives' and 'the global elite'.

I Think you are missing a key element. Trump and his political backers didn't just fall into the presidency. They weaponised dissatisfaction with that aim.

You could reasonably argue that's what politicians do. But the scale and ferocity of it really is unparalleled. The election denying, the constant beating of the race drum , the dehumanisation of people with different views, the perverse actions around the Ukraine and traditional allies and the transactional enrichment of the Trump family is unparalleled and should be called out.

The suggestion that calling this out is 'childish name calling' is the opposite of an adult discussion. If you want adults in the room you need to understand why they aren't there. And one of the really dangerous things about Trump is that his actions lead to a fundamental change in how the Presidency works beyond him. So many Democrats love Newsom because he does Trump style push backs. Really - is that what the world needs. Some Democrats say that, if in power, they should act the same way as Trump for their ends. That's just as bad. Although no doubt they could argue, as you appear to do, that their actions are justified as look what you made me do.

A final thought on why Trump isn't as passive in all this as you appear to think. I recall a discussion with a Trump voter (a lovely guy BTW) about his constant lies. His response? They all lie. That's called the liars dividend.

And it's the same when someone posts a meme that some random posts in response to the President and say they are as bad as each other. That's the false equivalence dividend. It allows for hand wringing about both sides and it gets Trump off the hook. By reducing it to the both are childish view it fundamentally ignores where the power lies and gives political space for the execution of that power. And that's what Trump and his backers want.
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"In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, nor to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better.

When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed.

A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to."

- Theodore Dalrymple
 
Given the erstwhile Tucker Carlson is now taking it upon himself to defend Islam and blaming fears of radical Islam on... well take a guess...can anyone tell me if his recent political movement is taking him to the far right or leftwards?
 
egb_hibs said:
Given the erstwhile Tucker Carlson is now taking it upon himself to defend Islam and blaming fears of radical Islam on... well take a guess...can anyone tell me if his recent political movement is taking him to the far right or leftwards?
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Where is the money at and where will his ego get the most love and stroking?

Much more likely just a Brain Fart in his case, don't expect too much from him as a shock jock (is that still a thing or a term from 70s and 80s movies that somehow wormed into my brain?).
 
Nae wonder he didnae go.

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The Space Hopper has removed the endangerment ruling on greenhouse gases so it’s all go to produce more “oil, gas and other things that make businesses rock and roll.” Cheaper cars, cheaper fuel, what’s not to like? I just wish he’d drunk the bleach.
 
Hale and pace did a brilliant sketch on this with a husband beating up his wife. Summed up the cultist nature of organisations like the masons.
 
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EH17 Jimmy said:
There were a couple of sketches he done with Mason Boyne being the main man.
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When you think about how pervasive that lot have been in Scottish society, it's surprising how little lampooning of them actually exists. As far as I know anyway, discovering this might indicate there's loads more I didn't know about?!

Or on second thought, it's maybe not that surprising.
 
Keepitgreen said:
When you think about how pervasive that lot have been in Scottish society, it's surprising how little lampooning of them actually exists. As far as I know anyway, discovering this might indicate there's loads more I didn't know about?!

Or on second thought, it's maybe not that surprising.
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You ever seen the play Just Another Saturday?
 
Bill Henderson and Jon Morrison were in it . Henderson was Tod Baxter in Garnock Way, his onscreen daughter Mary signed on at the buroo in Loanheid the same time as me.
EH17 Jimmy said:
You ever seen the play Just Another Saturday?
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Dailymotion has the full play....

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Shit's about tae hit the fan and Donald is about tae hit Iran.
I'm no normally cynical but does anybody else thinks there's something no right?
 
The Supreme Court gives Trump in a wee kick in the baws regarding tariffs. No doubt the Donald will bypass one way or another.Usually another.

BIG G
 
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