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Nope.
TRUMP IS A See you next Tuesday
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emerald green
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then whats your post about?. It doesnae make any sense at all.
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Ah well. They cannae all make sense
baggageandfibs
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Trump is a maniac as are his acolytes. Baffles me why you think they are masterful global strategists. Seems to me that they are master bullshitters bumbling from one crisis to another and can’t believe how much they are able to get away with.
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Who says they are master global strategists?
They see the world more clearly than our own dinosaurs do, but then thats no great achievement.
They've yet to achieve anything beyond a significant reduction in the Gaza conflict.
I think they put too much stock in Europe's ability to change, and have misjudged the extent to which Russia gives a single fuck what America says anymore - a series of prior diddies let that genie out of the bottle long ago.
But they remain the only ones whose actions give pause to China and Russia, and it was always going to require very dangerous flexing to turn that back into fucks being given about what they say, thanks to prior decades of idiocy.
There isnt a single western leader who is in the same intellectual weight band as Xi and Putin and there hasn't been for decades.
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Well that's a touch harsh on Boris
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Mafia Protection Racket. I like that.
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US attack on Venezuela – the ‘Donroe Doctrine’ in action | The Communist
Trump is laying bare his imperialist policy. Having disgracefully kidnapped Maduro and declared the US would run Venezuela directly, Trump is implementing the ‘Donroe Doctrine’. This is a recipe for clashes and conflicts – which will eventually provoke mass resistance.
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Archie
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But we weren't his enemies!
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Lots of money in Europe to be "liberated". Redirected to more "deserving" peeps.
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Well we certainly are not friends of whoever is president.
Starmer hasn't a clue when he's around Trump.
And again Trump is playing to a gallery.
But as has been pointed out his MAGA followers are a bit pissed off with him.
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Trump might be a maniac, but he's better at running a country than what you have in the UK. He's getting rid of illegal immigrants, while the UK is housing and feeding them while the country goes down the toilet. Most of the people in the UK are against this, but the government gives zero fucks.
And then you have pedo's and rapists getting a lighter sentence than some knob that says or posts some ugly words online. People bashing on about how it was illegal for Trump to remove an evil dictator, totally blinded by a UK government that has illegally stripped away people's freedom of speech. Take the blinckers off mate, Trump isn't the evil dictator the media wants you to believe he is.
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Not sure what this suggests but its happening anyway and that is our remaining value to the world.
We have sold out our children's future by exporting our jobs and dissolving society. We are keeping the party going as long as we can while the old spend their loot on foreign made goods and experiences and we sell debt to foreign buyers to keep the music going, which is money taken from future generations we have already pumped. All of which of course depended on American taxpayers paying for our defence.
I daresay imagining some fiendish American plot against Europe - if that is what you are getting at? - is more comforting than facing what we have done: what the young call a 'cope', I believe.
But I suspect from the perspective of those young people it just makes us gen xers and boomers look silly and self serving to the last.
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Yeah he gets rid of immigrants be enabling ICE to murder them at point blank range as in Minneapolis. As for the rest ...? What kind of world do you want to live in, seriously? Oh and throwing the paedo stuff around....Epstein... Trump, hello!
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He's a fat orange pedo rapist, and he's no been sentenced.
SuperTortolano
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How about all the illegal immigrants that have raped and murdered innocent citizens? Not all these illegals will go quietly and if force is needed, so be it.
As for Epstein, there's been absolutely no evidence whatsoever linking Trump to being a pedo.
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Are you really that naive to believe the Democrats wouldn't have exposed all this to stop him winning the last election. If what you say is true, give me one good reason why they wouldn't have released proof and gone after him
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Me? naive?
baggageandfibs
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At best he's complicit. But he's on your side so turn a blind eye eh?
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Because there are Democrats involved tae.
SuperTortolano
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He was the better of the two options on the table when it came to the presidential race. You had a clueless Harris and a corrupt Tim Waltz who's just been exposed for corruption and stepped down.
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Also because it's not supposed to be in the gift of the administration to open investigations. That responsibility lies with the supposedly independent Department of Justice. Of course the DOJ has totally been co-opted by Trump's bandits and he has got Bondi running about trying and failing to initiate revenge cases against those who prosecuted Trump after his first presidency.
I also think everyone thought Trump was finished after Jan 6. Incredible really that he's not in jail instead of causing so much misery around the world.
baggageandfibs
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Turns out it was a US Citizen they murdered.
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I gave you one good reason. WTF has that tae dae wi him being a fat orange pedo rapist?
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Because they want to stay alive?
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Do not forget, your great leader thought he had come up up with a great idea, all on his own, without running it past his advisers, that maybe injecting bleach just might do the trick for Covid.
That’s the level of the man.
He simply has everyone terrified of questioning anything he says. Worse than any communist block ever were, and a lot more dangerous. The world will never trust America ever again, well not for a long time, if we have a long time!
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What a surprise.Mafia Protection Racket. I like that.
US attack on Venezuela – the ‘Donroe Doctrine’ in action | The Communist
Trump is laying bare his imperialist policy. Having disgracefully kidnapped Maduro and declared the US would run Venezuela directly, Trump is implementing the ‘Donroe Doctrine’. This is a recipe for clashes and conflicts – which will eventually provoke mass resistance.
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One of the central claims the Trump administration has used to justify the overthrow of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and describe his government as “illegitimate” is the allegation that he is...
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One of the central claims the Trump administration has used to justify the overthrow of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and describe his government as “illegitimate” is the allegation that he is the leader of a multinational narco-terrorist organization known as “Cartel de los Soles.”
But now that the Department of Justice (DOJ) must prove the allegation in court following the US military's kidnapping of Maduro last week, prosecutors are backing off the claim and, in effect, admitting what critics had long protested: that Cartel de los Soles is not, in fact, an organization at all.
In the months leading up to the illegal US invasion that plucked Maduro from power, the Treasury Department and State Department both designated Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization.
That allegation originated from a 2020 grand jury indictment of Maduro, drafted by the DOJ during Trump’s first term. The document described the Cartel de los Soles as a “Venezuelan drug-trafficking organization comprised of high-ranking Venezuelan officials.”
As the New York Times explained back in November:
"There’s a big catch with the impression created by the Trump administration’s narrative: Cartel de los Soles is not a literal organization, according to a range of specialists in Latin American criminal and narcotics issues, from think-tank analysts to former Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) officials.
"It is instead a figure of speech in Venezuela, dating back to the 1990s, for Venezuelan military officials corrupted by drug money, they say. The term, which means “Cartel of the Suns,” is a mocking invocation of the suns Venezuelan generals wear to denote their rank, like American ones wear stars.
"It is for that reason that the DEA's annual National Drug Threat Assessment, which describes major trafficking organizations in detail, has never mentioned Cartel de los Soles. Nor has the annual “ World Drug Report” by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime."
Nevertheless, the claim that Maduro was at the helm of an international terrorist cartel was a core justification the Trump administration has used over the past year to legitimize pushing him out of power.
"Maduro is NOT the President of Venezuela and his regime is NOT the legitimate government," said Secretary of State Marco Rubio in a post on social media in July. "Maduro is the head of the Cartel de Los Soles, a narco-terror organization that has taken possession of a country. And he is under indictment for pushing drugs into the United States."
Such a portrayal was useful when attempting to drum up support for US aggression against Venezuela. But now, Maduro stands on trial in the Southern District of New York, where a jury will decide his guilt or innocence based on the evidence presented after he pleaded not guilty on Monday.
Elizabeth Dickinson, the deputy director for Latin America at the International Crisis Group, told the New York Times that the designation of Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terror organization was “far from reality,” but that “designations don’t have to be proved in court, and that’s the difference. Clearly, they knew they could not prove it in court.”
Following Maduro's abduction by US forces on Saturday, the DOJ released a new indictment. While it still accused Maduro of participating in a drug trafficking conspiracy, it totally abandoned the claim that any organization called "Cartel de los Soles" actually existed.
To the extent that any such group does exist, the indictment says it's not as a criminal organization, but as "a culture of corruption in which powerful Venezuelan elites enrich themselves through drug trafficking," and a "patronage system run by those at the top."
But even a day after the new indictment fatally undercut his claims, Rubio continued to insist on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Cartel de los Soles was a “transnational criminal organization” and that “the leader of that cartel,” Maduro, “is now in US custody and facing US justice in the Southern District of New York.”
"They've been pretending that this made-up thing was real for a year. But now that they'd have to actually demonstrate its existence in court, they're going to cram it down the memory hole," marvelled Derek Davison, a Washington-based researcher and writer on international affairs and American politics.
Ben Norton, editor of the Geopolitical Economy Report, wrote on social media that the administration's abrupt abandonment of one of its central justifications for war demonstrates that "the entire US war is based on lies."
While the initial phase of Trump’s ramp-up of military aggression against Venezuela was premised, with scant evidence, on the need to prevent alleged drug boats from reaching the US, President Donald Trump has now said explicitly that the administration’s goal is to take control of Venezuela’s massive oil reserves and hand them to US-based companies.
"It never had anything to do with drugs. Venezuela's role in the global cocaine trade is small and insignificant, and it has absolutely nothing to do with fentanyl (which is actually responsible for many drug-related deaths in the US, unlike cocaine)," Norton said. "The Trump administration's repeated invocation of the fake 'Cartel de los Soles' was its version of the weapons of mass destruction lie used by George W. Bush to try to justify his illegal invasion of Iraq."
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Stephen Prager is a staff writer for Common Dreams.
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"The Trump administration's repeated invocation of the fake 'Cartel de los Soles' was its version of the weapons of mass destruction lie used by George W. Bush to try to justify his illegal invasion of Iraq."What a surprise.
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One of the central claims the Trump administration has used to justify the overthrow of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and describe his government as “illegitimate” is the allegation that he is...
One of the central claims the Trump administration has used to justify the overthrow of Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro and describe his government as “illegitimate” is the allegation that he is the leader of a multinational narco-terrorist organization known as “Cartel de los Soles.”
But now that the Department of Justice (DOJ) must prove the allegation in court following the US military's kidnapping of Maduro last week, prosecutors are backing off the claim and, in effect, admitting what critics had long protested: that Cartel de los Soles is not, in fact, an organization at all.
In the months leading up to the illegal US invasion that plucked Maduro from power, the Treasury Department and State Department both designated Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terrorist organization.
That allegation originated from a 2020 grand jury indictment of Maduro, drafted by the DOJ during Trump’s first term. The document described the Cartel de los Soles as a “Venezuelan drug-trafficking organization comprised of high-ranking Venezuelan officials.”
As the New York Times explained back in November:
"There’s a big catch with the impression created by the Trump administration’s narrative: Cartel de los Soles is not a literal organization, according to a range of specialists in Latin American criminal and narcotics issues, from think-tank analysts to former Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) officials.
"It is instead a figure of speech in Venezuela, dating back to the 1990s, for Venezuelan military officials corrupted by drug money, they say. The term, which means “Cartel of the Suns,” is a mocking invocation of the suns Venezuelan generals wear to denote their rank, like American ones wear stars.
"It is for that reason that the DEA's annual National Drug Threat Assessment, which describes major trafficking organizations in detail, has never mentioned Cartel de los Soles. Nor has the annual “ World Drug Report” by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime."
Nevertheless, the claim that Maduro was at the helm of an international terrorist cartel was a core justification the Trump administration has used over the past year to legitimize pushing him out of power.
"Maduro is NOT the President of Venezuela and his regime is NOT the legitimate government," said Secretary of State Marco Rubio in a post on social media in July. "Maduro is the head of the Cartel de Los Soles, a narco-terror organization that has taken possession of a country. And he is under indictment for pushing drugs into the United States."
Such a portrayal was useful when attempting to drum up support for US aggression against Venezuela. But now, Maduro stands on trial in the Southern District of New York, where a jury will decide his guilt or innocence based on the evidence presented after he pleaded not guilty on Monday.
Elizabeth Dickinson, the deputy director for Latin America at the International Crisis Group, told the New York Times that the designation of Cartel de los Soles as a foreign terror organization was “far from reality,” but that “designations don’t have to be proved in court, and that’s the difference. Clearly, they knew they could not prove it in court.”
Following Maduro's abduction by US forces on Saturday, the DOJ released a new indictment. While it still accused Maduro of participating in a drug trafficking conspiracy, it totally abandoned the claim that any organization called "Cartel de los Soles" actually existed.
To the extent that any such group does exist, the indictment says it's not as a criminal organization, but as "a culture of corruption in which powerful Venezuelan elites enrich themselves through drug trafficking," and a "patronage system run by those at the top."
But even a day after the new indictment fatally undercut his claims, Rubio continued to insist on NBC’s “Meet the Press” that Cartel de los Soles was a “transnational criminal organization” and that “the leader of that cartel,” Maduro, “is now in US custody and facing US justice in the Southern District of New York.”
"They've been pretending that this made-up thing was real for a year. But now that they'd have to actually demonstrate its existence in court, they're going to cram it down the memory hole," marvelled Derek Davison, a Washington-based researcher and writer on international affairs and American politics.
Ben Norton, editor of the Geopolitical Economy Report, wrote on social media that the administration's abrupt abandonment of one of its central justifications for war demonstrates that "the entire US war is based on lies."
While the initial phase of Trump’s ramp-up of military aggression against Venezuela was premised, with scant evidence, on the need to prevent alleged drug boats from reaching the US, President Donald Trump has now said explicitly that the administration’s goal is to take control of Venezuela’s massive oil reserves and hand them to US-based companies.
"It never had anything to do with drugs. Venezuela's role in the global cocaine trade is small and insignificant, and it has absolutely nothing to do with fentanyl (which is actually responsible for many drug-related deaths in the US, unlike cocaine)," Norton said. "The Trump administration's repeated invocation of the fake 'Cartel de los Soles' was its version of the weapons of mass destruction lie used by George W. Bush to try to justify his illegal invasion of Iraq."
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Stephen Prager is a staff writer for Common Dreams.
Our work is licensed under Creative Commons (CC BY-NC-ND 3.0). Feel free to republish and share widely.
[Find the web link for this article in the comments]
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Exactly what you alluded to, previously on here @EH17 Jimmy .
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Alleged
Show me exactly the comment he made about injecting BLEACH.
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This is a better one. Look at his advisor ! She’s thinking who the fuck are you !!Alleged
Show me exactly the comment he made about injecting BLEACH.
SuperTortolano
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This is a better one. Look at his advisor ! She’s thinking who the fuck are you !!
So you just repeated the headlines which said bleach, even though the word bleach never came out his mouth
Archie
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Hasn't he?
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Okay, I beg your pardon. Disinfectant, that makes it all the better, silly me.
SuperTortolano
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From the clip I watched, he was thinking out loud and far from telling Americans to inject bleach
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Seems like the GB "news" team were winging it, and the guy being interviewed actually had the facts. The woman continually saying "I hear you" would have been enough for me to say, "You might hear me, but you aren't actually listening."
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Outrageously excessive use of force. Strictly speaking the car does drive at the agent that shoots as can be seen from this angle. But he needs to jump out of the way anyway and could have done so more readily without taking the time to shoot her. Completely unjustified and hopefully gets the book thrown at him.
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As I'm sure everyone believes [and it's probably true] the flow of narcotics in to the USA is the purview of the CIA and not nasty Venezuelan despots and such like.
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Wait until Emeraldo finds out I have a subscription to The Guardian online.Lol, aye okay
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Ah post about Trump.'Oh look Russians!'.