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If Maduro really has been deposed with minimal bloodshed it's potentially a great day for Venezuelans: assuming they can avoid the all too often after-party of western regime change.
 
egb_hibs said:
Because Russia losing part of its empire to result in a never before existing country in 1991
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Probably off topic given recent events but it’s always worth calling bullshit to Russian propaganda. The Ukrainian People’s Republic was founded in 1917. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic became part of the Soviet Union in 1922. But Ukraine’s distinctive Cossack identity actually stretches way back to the Hetmanate which was founded in 1642 and way beyond. In many ways Ukrainian cultural identity is as old as Russia.
 
Bofahibee said:
Probably off topic given recent events but it’s always worth calling bullshit to Russian propaganda. The Ukrainian People’s Republic was founded in 1917. The Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic became part of the Soviet Union in 1922. But Ukraine’s distinctive Cossack identity actually stretches way back to the Hetmanate which was founded in 1642 and way beyond. In many ways Ukrainian cultural identity is as old as Russia.
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Its not bullshit and it's not Russian propaganda. I support Ukraine, I'm simply pointing out the incoherence of some of the stances on here.

Entities that existed in parts of current Ukraine have indeed been vassals of various Russian and Islamic empires, and it's a longer list than you mention here. If you really want to go way beyond, territory that is now part of Ukraine is the birthplace of Russia - one could argue that present day Russia is an offshoot of Ukraine rather than vice versa. Palestine, meanwhile, was an administrative region of Islamic and Roman empires following the suppression of the Jewish and other nations. Ukraine achieved independent statehood for the first time in 1991, while Israel was restored in 1948.

I support Ukraine because I believe its people have the right to self determination ouside the Russian imperial yoke. The same goes for the Israelis and other former subject peoples and places of Islamic imperialism: though sadly those that do not descend from those imperialist have largely been wiped out or purged from pretty much the rest of the region.

Based on consistent principles you see, rather than contradictory positions based on ethnic groups I hate or don't hate.

So nice try Bofa, but no cigar.
 
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egb_hibs said:
If Maduro really has been deposed with minimal bloodshed it's potentially a great day for Venezuelans: assuming they can avoid the all too often after-party of western regime change.
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Looks like Maduras plans in case this happened will still be carried out, military mobilising seemingly, not so sure it's a great day, it's not upto Trump who another countrys leader is.
 
Bofahibee said:
Well you had me fooled but as I say probably a distraction from current events where once again international law plays second fiddle to a doctrine of Might is Right.
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Might that be because you assume everyone to fit into the ridiculous binaries that underpin progressive thought (even while actual binaries are denied, such are the contortions that arise from a post truth school of thought, founded on falsehoods)?

I don't know how many times me and others have tried to explain the world is not like that, but apparently to no avail. Recent pages of the podcasts thread touch on the cognitive blockers that may explain it.

That quibble aside, your additional background is useful vs my attempt at avoiding my usual verbosity. But it's entirely in line with the point I was making.

Let's face it, there is absolutely no coherence in the right on stances here: we don't want America involved except where we do, other countries politics are not our concern unless we decide that they are, we favour the descended subjects of imperialism except when they're Jews, we deplore racism except the most pernicious and actually influential kind, we support workers but our stances align with the interests of capital, on and on.

A car crash because it's an ongoing attempt to reconcile false initial premises and rationalise irrational bigotries.
 
bigmanandy said:
Looks like Maduras plans in case this happened will still be carried out, military mobilising seemingly, not so sure it's a great day, it's not upto Trump who another countrys leader is.
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No it's up to the Venezuelan people and hopefully they will now get it, with the removal of a dictator who falsified the last election. That said the commies and narcos aren't going to roll over and it could turn into your typical commie apocalypse.
 
I chuckled at this BBC take. 'A completely unprecedented event except for one it resembles very closely'



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If, as claimed, the US has sent Delta Force into the heart of the Venezuelan capital and extracted the sitting president, along with his wife, it is unlike anything we have seen before.

The closest comparison would be the capture of Panamanian leader Manuel Noriega, also by special forces, in 1989.

Both men had recently claimed victory in disputed elections, both had been accused by the US of involvement in drug trafficking and both had been preceded by significant US military build-up.

But Noriega's capture followed a short, decisive, war between the two countries, in which Panamanian forces were quickly overwhelmed.

He had taken refuge in the Vatican embassy, where he remained for 11 days.

Eventually Noriega was persuaded to leave after the use of “psychological warfare” - specifically the constant playing of loud rock music, including The Clash, Van Halen and U2.

He was taken back to the US, where he was convicted of drugs offences.

Details of the operation to capture Nicholas Maduro are yet to emerge, but it seems to have been an operation even more ambitious in its scope - succeeding in extracting the President and his wife without the use of conventional ground forces.

His fate is unclear, but one would imagine it will end in a US prison.
 
I guess we will now see Maria Corina Machado and / or Edmundo Gonzalez trying to take power on behalf of the people but possibly in the teeth of narco-commie oppression?
 
The fact Venezuela has possibly the world's biggest oil reserves is pure and utter coincidence. Can't believe anybody can think this is anything but a grab on the oil which nearly all the middle east conflicts were about. Pure coincidence that tangomans poll numbers are beyond repair and the gop is splintering into factions. Just a distraction tactic used time and again in the past. Thought this had been consigned to history but seems trump must think that enough Americans will fall for his nonsense. I doubt it this time.
 
Young porty said:
The fact Venezuela has possibly the world's biggest oil reserves is pure and utter coincidence. Can't believe anybody can think this is anything but a grab on the oil which nearly all the middle east conflicts were about. Pure coincidence that tangomans poll numbers are beyond repair and the gop is splintering into factions. Just a distraction tactic used time and again in the past. Thought this had been consigned to history but seems trump must think that enough Americans will fall for his nonsense. I doubt it this time.
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Possibly. Venezuela was also a gangster state allied with Putin and pumping drugs into the US while oppressing its own people.

I suspect it is all of the above, plus a signal that the yanks intend to very much dominate their 'sphere' in a multipolar world, just as they expect the Chinese, Russians etc to do.

I think @Archie is thus right when he connects this to rhetoric about Canada and Greenland. Not that I expect delta force to be snatching Mark Carney anytime soon.
 
Well. I would say I am surprised but I am not. Been on the cards since the first time they sunk a boat with little or no evidence.

Another lesson that Humanity will never learn and it will always be the same. Oil has been a bit if a curse in many ways (blatant motivation here) but Humans would find an excuse for violence etc in something else. We give the worst of us power and then wonder why shit happens. Also puts the lie that the US military won't do whatever they are told to without question.

Maduro is a prick but a prick that Venezuela needs to deal with themselves. If a better country is wanted then it needs to have been peaceful and bottom up to have a chance. So, the figurehead is gone and so now a power vacuum that will be filled by nasty people. But maybe nasty people who will agree to give Trump access to the oil. In which case they will magically become "really high goodly people". It is very predictable.

Or, and this is my theory, it is an overcompensation for erectile dysfunction and to feel like a "Big Alpha Manly Mans". With the state of the top leadership in the US this may just actually be much of what it is.

It is also funny because of all the boasting by Trump about ending wars and his Peace Prizes.
 
jetsam1 said:
Well. I would say I am surprised but I am not. Been on the cards since the first time they sunk a boat with little or no evidence.

Another lesson that Humanity will never learn and it will always be the same. Oil has been a bit if a curse in many ways (blatant motivation here) but Humans would find an excuse for violence etc in something else. We give the worst of us power and then wonder why shit happens. Also puts the lie that the US military won't do whatever they are told to without question.

Maduro is a prick but a prick that Venezuela needs to deal with themselves. If a better country is wanted then it needs to have been peaceful and bottom up to have a chance. So, the figurehead is gone and so now a power vacuum that will be filled by nasty people. But maybe nasty people who will agree to give Trump access to the oil. In which case they will magically become "really high goodly people". It is very predictable.

Or, and this is my theory, it is an overcompensation for erectile dysfunction and to feel like a "Big Alpha Manly Mans". With the state of the top leadership in the US this may just actually be much of what it is.

It is also funny because of all the boasting by Trump about ending wars and his Peace Prizes.
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As it happens I don't think Trump is driving this. He's going to be in lame duck territory soon. But the people around him are positioning themselves for post Trump politics. They have an 11 month window before the midterms and they will use it.

On the sinking of boats, you would think if they wanted to stop the drug traffickers they would interrogate survivors for intel. But no, the first survivors were repatriated to their home country. The second ones were executed. What does that tell you?
 
Archie said:
As it happens I don't think Trump is driving this. He's going to be in lame duck territory soon. But the people around him are positioning themselves for post Trump politics. They have an 11 month window before the midterms and they will use it.

On the sinking of boats, you would think if they wanted to stop the drug traffickers they would interrogate survivors for intel. But no, the first survivors were repatriated to their home country. The second ones were executed. What does that tell you?
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Always assuming Trump really is going to go for a third term if he lives that long. I think we can see the much vaunted checks and balances being driven off a cliff in any case and so why not? There are very unpleasant people behind him indeed but I really struggle with the idea they can really plan more than a day ahead (regardless of this Project 2025), the competance just simply is not there.

It is a personality cult, their problem is that the rest of them don't have one and simply won't have the charisma to match Trump. And so descend into a civil war, and then we will see if there is anything left of the old Republican party that can reestablish control. Of course all that is moot if an excuse can be found to "postpone" the mid terms. But I really think all of this is based around needing distractions from domestic issues (they will be fuming at New York right now) and the oil.

If there is Oil, it is always the oil.

And the seemingly bizarre need to be seen to be Manly Mans. Putin is a Manly Mans and so must be emulated or how can Trump also be the Manly Mans?
 
jetsam1 said:
Always assuming Trump really is going to go for a third term if he lives that long. I think we can see the much vaunted checks and balances being driven off a cliff in any case and so why not? There are very unpleasant people behind him indeed but I really struggle with the idea they can really plan more than a day ahead (regardless of this Project 2025), the competance just simply is not there.

It is a personality cult, their problem is that the rest of them don't have one and simply won't have the charisma to match Trump. And so descend into a civil war, and then we will see if there is anything left of the old Republican party that can reestablish control. Of course all that is moot if an excuse can be found to "postpone" the mid terms. But I really think all of this is based around needing distractions from domestic issues (they will be fuming at New York right now) and the oil.

If there is Oil, it is always the oil.

And the seemingly bizarre need to be seen to be Manly Mans. Putin is a Manly Mans and so must be emulated or how can Trump also be the Manly Mans?
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I think your manly mans point is in there but in the form of much bigger things. I think it's more about manly countries so to speak.

The people Archie refers to are preparing for a multi polar world where the strong dominate - the sad outcome of the globalist project. In that context they're not going to tolerate an ally of Iran, Russia and China in their back yard, any more than the Russians are happy to tolerate Nato in theirs . Acceptance of the latter has actually been a feature of the Trump administration.

I think they envisage a world of regional hegemons and are staking out their sphere. To be fair, it's already been happening elsewhere and the US is in catch up mode with the emerging reality
 
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jetsam1 said:
Always assuming Trump really is going to go for a third term if he lives that long. I think we can see the much vaunted checks and balances being driven off a cliff in any case and so why not? There are very unpleasant people behind him indeed but I really struggle with the idea they can really plan more than a day ahead (regardless of this Project 2025), the competance just simply is not there.

It is a personality cult, their problem is that the rest of them don't have one and simply won't have the charisma to match Trump. And so descend into a civil war, and then we will see if there is anything left of the old Republican party that can reestablish control. Of course all that is moot if an excuse can be found to "postpone" the mid terms. But I really think all of this is based around needing distractions from domestic issues (they will be fuming at New York right now) and the oil.

If there is Oil, it is always the oil.

And the seemingly bizarre need to be seen to be Manly Mans. Putin is a Manly Mans and so must be emulated or how can Trump also be the Manly Mans?
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Interesting. He's not going for a third term. It's just noise. But you can be sure the DOJ and FBI will be weaponised around the mid terms.
 
egb_hibs said:
Might that be because you assume everyone to fit into the ridiculous binaries that underpin progressive thought (even while actual binaries are denied, such are the contortions that arise from a post truth school of thought, founded on falsehoods)?

I don't know how many times me and others have tried to explain the world is not like that, but apparently to no avail. Recent pages of the podcasts thread touch on the cognitive blockers that may explain it.

That quibble aside, your additional background is useful vs my attempt at avoiding my usual verbosity. But it's entirely in line with the point I was making.

Let's face it, there is absolutely no coherence in the right on stances here: we don't want America involved except where we do, other countries politics are not our concern unless we decide that they are, we favour the descended subjects of imperialism except when they're Jews, we deplore racism except the most pernicious and actually influential kind, we support workers but our stances align with the interests of capital, on and on.

A car crash because it's an ongoing attempt to reconcile false initial premises and rationalise irrational bigotries.
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At this point I have very little clue what you are talking about.
 
Archie said:
Interesting. He's not going for a third term. It's just noise. But you can be sure the DOJ and FBI will be weaponised around the mid terms.
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I think that mad bastard's ego is solid enough they will need to work very hard to stop him at least trying....... He can't do the third but he gets away with enough he might as well go "why not". At least say it. Anyway, we will likely be subjected to the family trying to set up a Kennedy style dynasty which should be fun as they are all once again highly dislikeable and charisma deserts. Vance will be jettisoned as soon as Trump senior shuffles off, even the base are not happy with his shenanigans with Erika Kirk, all a bit too on the nose. If he wants to make it with MAGA for the next step he is probably going to have to get rid of the Indian Wife, maybe Erika for a marriage of convenience to appeal to the base. It is all about the base, no thought for anyone else.

As said, Putin is the archetype they are working towards as they are all star struck and are desperate for that level of power and wealth. The country is irrelevant and I suspect with Miller et al they will be working towards this at least in outline as they are not as cunning or even ruthless as Putin was in the 2000s. Prior to Ukraine the right was fawning over Putin and his "strength". And half the US will roll over and get the doing of a lifetime. And say they like it.
 
Trump will always drop hints at a third term because he knows he pushes the buttons to get a reaction from the democrats and their support base in the media and Hollywood.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Trump will always drop hints at a third term because he knows he pushes the buttons to get a reaction from the democrats and their support base in the media and Hollywood.
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A malignant narcissist high on the smell of his own farts surrounded by incompetence and yes men/women, potentially going senile..... Who knows what he may "try" to do. I always had intimated that it would be a "try" if it got to that stage.

He is a classic case of teflon shoulders and now is essentially untouchable and whilst in power cannot be gainsaid as Congress has decided to lie down and lick the boot. The USA has not had anyone quite like this before so the system is being stress tested and what if it fails? It is already close to being an oligarchy in any case.

The reaction? I see it more as just Trump and his guys being what they are, bullies. They just like punching down.
 
All sides punch down on their opponents support it's nothing new as far as I'm concerned.

Clinging to power is what politicians do best and it's just too bad if folk are a sort of collateral damage as they do so.
 
Anyway nothing I can do about any of it all, so meh.

I will just watch and giggle at the crazy. If they all (the leaders, both political around the world and the mental Techbros) all want their argy bargy then they will get what they want.
 
From some of the clips I'm seeing a lot of Venezualans are quite happy about Maduro being deposed.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
From some of the clips I'm seeing a lot of Venezualans are quite happy about Maduro being deposed.
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I think he was a Poundshop version of Chavez without the charisma, I would only be wary of what comes next. The whole system of power Maduro had is still intact as only the top is gone so depends how the inner circle react. There is unlikely to be a full and fair election and democracy however, I would put money on that.

Most likely whoever can command most support in the armed forces will take power and likely double down on anti US sentiment while quietly doing a deal to sell the oil to the US majors at a cut price.
 
jetsam1 said:
I think he was a Poundshop version of Chavez without the charisma, I would only be wary of what comes next. The whole system of power Maduro had is still intact as only the top is gone so depends how the inner circle react. There is unlikely to be a full and fair election and democracy however, I would put money on that.

Most likely whoever can command most support in the armed forces will take power and likely double down on anti US sentiment while quietly doing a deal to sell the oil to the US majors at a cut price.
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Nobody can tell me that this is about anything other than getting a deal done for oil for the US.
TRUMP doesnt do this for democracy 🥹
 
Well there's usually a massive period of unrest after a change of leader and I can't see it being any different now. And this is the lassie who MAY unite the country eventually.....

María Corina Machado.


  • Challenging Maduro She won the opposition's presidential primary in 2023 but was subsequently barred by the government from running in the 2024 presidential election, a move condemned internationally as arbitrary and politically motivated.

  • Living in Hiding and Exile Since August 2024, she had been living in hiding in Venezuela, fearing for her life and freedom, after claiming the opposition candidate she backed, Edmundo González Urrutia, won the election by a landslide, a result the government-controlled electoral council disputed. She recently made a clandestine escape to Oslo, Norway, to accept her Nobel Prize in person in December 2025.
Machado has vowed to continue her fight for democracy and has confirmed she plans to return to Venezuela to join a potential transitional government led by González Urrutia as his vice president.
 
75m people voted Democrat in the last election.
EH17 Jimmy said:
Well there's usually a massive period of unrest after a change of leader and I can't see it being any different now. And this is the lassie who MAY unite the country eventually.....

María Corina Machado.


  • Challenging Maduro She won the opposition's presidential primary in 2023 but was subsequently barred by the government from running in the 2024 presidential election, a move condemned internationally as arbitrary and politically motivated.

  • Living in Hiding and Exile Since August 2024, she had been living in hiding in Venezuela, fearing for her life and freedom, after claiming the opposition candidate she backed, Edmundo González Urrutia, won the election by a landslide, a result the government-controlled electoral council disputed. She recently made a clandestine escape to Oslo, Norway, to accept her Nobel Prize in person in December 2025.
Machado has vowed to continue her fight for democracy and has confirmed she plans to return to Venezuela to join a potential transitional government led by González Urrutia as his vice president.
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I'm just not sure that someone imposed after a military intervention by a foreign power will be that popular. Especially as they will have to implement US approved measures. Most likely outcome - chaos.
 
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