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AngusB

The Hibee Formerly Known As Ayegudyin
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This English boy is starting up front for Scotland instead of Miller. Thoughts? :dunno:

Personally I don't mind seeing Miller dropped, but we have plenty other options available up front, a qualifier away to the Czechs isn't the place to blood some untested Englishman who is already gonna have the fans and media on his back.

Still, 1-0 Scotland
 
2-0 Czechs.
With 1 shot at goal from scotland and 0 on target
 
It was supposed to be a secret, and somebody from within the Scotland camp leaked the news to the sun.

That really narrows it down to Kenny Miller, or one of the hun contingent on the headless chickens behalf. Still, it was Mr Leveins bright spark idea to welcome McGregor, McCulloch and co back with open arms. I think he's now got a better idea of what Burley had to put up with.
 
leveins a twat pure and simple. he showed he has no values by letting fud face ferguson take the p*ss for the last few months.

i am surprised he is not playing miller though. thought he would be his type of player (works hard, runs about a lot, and has little creativity).

if levein wants punted dropping a hun is a sure fire way of doing it. weegie media will be all over him for this.
 
I think Levein is only doing it to get back some credibility to try and appease the rest of the nation by putting a team together that doesn't consist of the Old Bigots plus Darren Fletcher. Have never liked Miller but don't think dropping him is the wisest move. Its quite ironic, when he was going through a terrible goalscoring patch for Scotland he was still first pick every game but scores a cracker in the last match to save our blushes and is dropped. Dont think it sends out a good message. Having said that if Mackie scores the winner I will be more than happy and if Miller never gets another game for Scotland I wont be shedding a tear.:read:
 
AngusB said:
This English boy is starting up front for Scotland instead of Miller. Thoughts? :dunno:

Personally I don't mind seeing Miller dropped, but we have plenty other options available up front, a qualifier away to the Czechs isn't the place to blood some untested Englishman who is already gonna have the fans and media on his back.

Still, 1-0 Scotland
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It's true that we do have options up front for a change with 4 strikers in good form for their clubs. The fact that you want to highlight Mackie's Englishness is neither here nor there for me since he is eligible. If that is a big factor then it's a hidden agenda from the fans and the media because what most are voicing complaints about is the dropping of the on form and all of a sudden fans favourite:wink: Kenny Miller.

What nobody seems to have considered is that Levein has had a bit of time to assess both of them this week and has maybe come to the conclusion that Mackie looks the better player. How many critics of this decision can make a genuine assessment of Mackie's abilities? I'm reading a lot of journos and fans saying "I hope Levein proves me wrong". Wrong on what, since most have never seen Mackie play.

I've been very impressed by what I've seen of Mackie on the Championship highlights lately. Not only the goalscoring but his pace and constant movement. There are similarities between these two players whereas Fletcher or Iwelumo are quite different. I have a mate who's a Derby County (and Scotland) fan. He's seen Mackie play in the flesh a couple of times (for Plymouth and QPR) and says he was far more impressed with him than he ever was by Kenny Miller (who played for Derby of course). Ask QPR fans and I'm pretty sure you'd get a similar answer. Don't get me wrong - Miller is in good form but no more so than Mackie, and if the Championship is not significantly better than the SPL then it is certainly no worse. Miller has 10 league goals this season I think and Mackie 8 so there's not much difference there. The really surprising factor is Levein opting for inexperience. Whether this is the correct choice remains to be seen but the irony is that Scotland managers are always slated for taking the safe option of the old head and not giving enough younger players a chance. This is quite a young team if you take Weir out of the equation.

Miller will have his part to play in this double header. I think a lot of people are overlooking the fact that we have to think about 180 minutes of football not 90. That's a lot of time for heidless chicken running.:wink: I think the plan will be for Miller to come on second half and for Miller to start against Spain - unless Mackie has a blinder tonight.

I'm also pleasantly surprised that Levein has given the nod to both Dorrans and Morrison. I wonder if it's an attacking type too many in the line up but I never thought I'd criticise Levein for that so good on him. Caldwell would be my main concern, hardly having kicked a ball in earnest this season. I would've put Robson or even Adam in there alongside Darren Fletcher.
 
I'm with Galego, quite happy with the team selection, even if it has been forced on him. Caldwell and Naismith my complaint really, Darren Fletcher is a defensive player he doesn't need a holding player alongside him. Other managers have tried to use Fletcher in an attacking role and it just hasn't worked. Naismith I just dont rate higher than the other options.

Delighted with Dorrans and Morrison being in the team. Morrison had a good impact when he came on last time and Dorrans has plenty of creative talent.

I still think we'll lose but will be interesting to see how they get on. Probably all for nothing though as the usual suspects will be back in as soon as possible.
 
GalegoHibs said:
I'm also pleasantly surprised that Levein has given the nod to both Dorrans and Morrison. I wonder if it's an attacking type too many in the line up but I never thought I'd criticise Levein for that so good on him. Caldwell would be my main concern, hardly having kicked a ball in earnest this season. I would've put Robson or even Adam in there alongside Darren Fletcher.
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:thumbgrin

Scotland aren't going to qualfy, so why not Dorrans and Morrison for a few games?

Nothing wrong with giving Mackie a shot as well.

Only hope he tries some new faces at the back soon too. Maybe when the new attack force are more settled..... :rascal:
 
Whatever the rights and wrongs of dropping Miller, I think Levein tried to throw a surprise at the Czech Republic - and at this level there are very few surprises. That surprise element - thanks to the treacherous hun, with the sun - has now been lost. Czechs will now have been able to check up on Mackie in much more depth knowing he's starting.
 
Briant said:
:thumbgrin

Scotland aren't going to qualfy, so why not Dorrans and Morrison for a few games?

Nothing wrong with giving Mackie a shot as well.

Only hope he tries some new faces at the back soon too. Maybe when the new attack force are more settled..... :rascal:
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Sure. I think it's a bit early to be saying that Scotland aren't going to qualify. Morrison is totally in there on merit based on the last game and his current form. Dorrans should've been in before now although he's maybe a wee bit more of a surprise this time given that he hasn't been playing a full 90 mins for West Brom much recently.

There are definitely signs of better attacking options appearing for Scotland and more pace and drive about the team - based on the individual players that is. Totally agree about the defence. Very limited options, particularly in the centre. I wouldn't necessarily blame Levein too much for that. He tried Kenneth and Berra against Sweden and it was a disaster. I can't really think of anybody else. Maybe Wilson in the future but he needs to get more games under his belt for Liverpool first.
 
Purple & Green said:
Whatever the rights and wrongs of dropping Miller, I think Levein tried to throw a surprise at the Czech Republic - and at this level there are very few surprises. That surprise element - thanks to the treacherous hun, with the sun - has now been lost. Czechs will now have been able to check up on Mackie in much more depth knowing he's starting.
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well if they find anything out can they let us know!!! i hadnt heard of him till last week.

hopefully it will work out with us getting the win.
 
So we starting with the famous 4-6-0 formation:rollfloor:rollfloor:rollfloor. WTF is that all about, bring back Berti all is forgiven:banger:.
 
Jelevic out till Xmas , wonder if Watty Smith had anything to do with Miller being "dropped" :hmmm
 
Sod this for a lark, Id rather we attacked and lost 2-0 or 3-1 than camping in our own half and squeaking out a dull 1-0 defeat.

The thing is when we have actually got our fingers out and attacked we actually caused them problems :shrug:
 
That was embarrassing mediocre anti-football of the worst kind. Even San Marino play with strikers away from home. Everyone watching apart from Harry Potter could see we needed a striker on through the middle on at halftime to relieve the pressure on the defence. Previous Scotish managers like Jock Stein must be turning in their grave watching this 4-6 antifootball bullshit. Levein can GTF.
 
That was embarrassing.

Playing like that against a team even the Liths had a go at and a team we have already showed up to be quite average. Play 460 against the czecks and go more attacking against Spain, is this guy serious? Or maybe we will play 6-4 against spain.

Total embarrassment. We're not the greatest but we're not that bad.
 
Terrible terrible tactics from harry potter!

We showed that at 4-4-2 that we could have beat them or at least got a draw!

Shocking display of tactics going there for a 0-0!
 
oh well

Yeah that's our lot in life watching Alan Hutton hoping he'll spring wings or bang one in from distance like some kind of Roberto Carlos, and go on use your pace Davie Weir! If we had a few more gingers in the team things might've gone better. Go on Scotland and those Scots on shakey ground as English championship goal heroes. I will give it my best shot to support them for a flukey toe drive in spite of what's been said. All the best for Spain game, go on our bad selves!
 
GloryGlory said:
That was embarrassing.

Playing like that against a team even the Liths had a go at and a team we have already showed up to be quite average. Play 460 against the czecks and go more attacking against Spain, is this guy serious? Or maybe we will play 6-4 against spain.

Total embarrassment. We're not the greatest but we're not that bad.
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I watched the Liths against Spain tonight and they weren't bad. Scored a goal and created one or two other chances. I feel Scotland have better players than the Liths but I'm seriously starting to think they could finish second in this group. I agree that the Czechs are not a patch on the team they were 5 or 10 years ago, which makes the result in Prague tonight all the more disappointing. Probably a pivotal one because unless we can somehow stun Spain, I can't see Scotland winning against Lithuania and the Czechs next year based on the performances and results so far. The irony is that I genuinely think we've got the best squad of players we've had for about 10 years but it isn't showing in terms of results or performances.
 
embarassing but not surprising performance. 4-6-0 is ridiculous. its not as if we were set up to revert to 4-4-2 when we got the ball. just kept giving the ball back to them.

amazing levein thought we were unlucky not to score!!! he was referring to when the czech defender miskicked a clearance. not a scotland player within 10 yards of the ball and that was our best chance!!!

2nd place in our group is wide open and we could still take it, but not if we play the way we have in first three games. no way we will beat lithunia and czechs at home the way things are. i agree with the post above and can see lithunia taking it.
 
GalegoHibs said:
I watched the Liths against Spain tonight and they weren't bad. Scored a goal and created one or two other chances. I feel Scotland have better players than the Liths but I'm seriously starting to think they could finish second in this group. I agree that the Czechs are not a patch on the team they were 5 or 10 years ago, which makes the result in Prague tonight all the more disappointing. Probably a pivotal one because unless we can somehow stun Spain, I can't see Scotland winning against Lithuania and the Czechs next year based on the performances and results so far. The irony is that I genuinely think we've got the best squad of players we've had for about 10 years but it isn't showing in terms of results or performances.
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I agree, best squad in years. That aint any good though when u have harry potter transforming into coco the clown on his way to becoming our worst ever boss. Have you ever seen such an embaressment.
Not a surprise at all, as this is what the clown is all about, clueless koksocket who only knows how tn build physical bullying teams which is only 35 years out of date
 
GalegoHibs said:
I watched the Liths against Spain tonight and they weren't bad. Scored a goal and created one or two other chances. I feel Scotland have better players than the Liths but I'm seriously starting to think they could finish second in this group. I agree that the Czechs are not a patch on the team they were 5 or 10 years ago, which makes the result in Prague tonight all the more disappointing. Probably a pivotal one because unless we can somehow stun Spain, I can't see Scotland winning against Lithuania and the Czechs next year based on the performances and results so far. The irony is that I genuinely think we've got the best squad of players we've had for about 10 years but it isn't showing in terms of results or performances.
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I've only seen them against Scotland and they were rank. Just saw Villas miss:rollfloor

I agree about our team though. I actually think there is enough quality in the Scotland team to be getting decent results. Anyone else think it has become a mental thing with Scotland? I mind saying that if Hibs stuck with Yogi too long all confidence goes and once your in the losing routine its very hard to get out of it. I kind of think Scotland have hit that slump but not through a lack of quality. Every game the players and fans don't expect anything anymore and there is no confidence in players abilities at International level.

Pretty dissapointed with Levein. I thought he would shake things up a bit and maybe over time he will, I'm not ready to write him off yet.
 
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