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Smurf said:
His speech was well delivered maybe one of the best from any leader the past 30 years. It was well crafted. It was powerful and emotional. It was also delusional and dishonest. Completely denying the reality of the financial predicament that we are in and the abyss we are facing. He had better call the election now as this is as good as it'll get for him. And let's be honest this was an explicit on the front foot for an election looking to appeal to their base, Lib Dems and the Greens. When realities bite as they are going to all this 'Hope' spiel is going to look utterly ridiculous.
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Shock horror - a politician trying to appeal to the electorate. What exactly was 'dishonest and delusional'?
 
Archie said:
OK. The SNP said they would respect the result of the 2014 referendum. And they have. Nothing stupid like UDI. But respecting the result doesn't mean they stop campaigning for what they believe in.
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Your no trying to say the politicians and the civil service respected the Brexit vote!!!!!!!!!!
 
Jack said:
That is the old scheme as I described above.

It involved British civil servants in the countries involved vetting applications, only successful ones got to come here. Applicants were also having to get through a war zone to get to the office. The scheme was suspended.

But this is how legal immigration works. Applicants are vetted those that meet the criteria are allowed in.

The immigrants sneaking into the UK unvetted are the ones to worry about.
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It was always so, Jack. How many radicalised jihadists worming into the fabric of UK society and just biding their time, how many professional criminals coming in as they like. The security services can't put survaillance on all the "probables" that sneak through the sieve we call a border. Even if the holes were plugged now, how many are already here and "in with the bricks"?
 
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paigntonhibby said:
It will never be made up,when its gone its gone
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There's always been a churn of millionaires. Next year there will be more millionaires and more millionaires leaving.

There's also the flighty millionaires who move from country to country as the mood takes them, mostly avoiding taxes!
 
paigntonhibby said:
If they respected the vote civil servants and politicians would have made it work, they didnt
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Same shite, blame the civil servants. Civil servants will not break the Law, UK or international, even if ordered by ministers.

If your boss had ever said to you 'We're robbing a bank this afternoon using the company van. You're driving the van." Would you drive the van? Of course you wouldn't. It makes no difference if it's in a van or in a government office breaking the Law is breaking the Law.
 
Archie said:
So care to say where he wasn't?
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He and others are not levelling with the public. There's really nothing that they can do to help with the 'cost of living' crisis. They're tinkering at the edges and events are superceding all that they do or can do as we are facing a debt crisis. Energy prices will go up around 25% in Jan. That's going to have huge consequences on food costs etc.
 
Jack said:
Same shite, blame the civil servants. Civil servants will not break the Law, UK or international, even if ordered by ministers.

If your boss had ever said to you 'We're robbing a bank this afternoon using the company van. You're driving the van." Would you drive the van? Of course you wouldn't. It makes no difference if it's in a van or in a government office breaking the Law is breaking the Law.
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Oh come on jack, i'm no' talking about the lad that works in the local job centre, i'm on about the mandarins at the heart of govt.
 
Smurf said:
He and others are not levelling with the public. There's really nothing that they can do to help with the 'cost of living' crisis. They're tinkering at the edges and events are superceding all that they do or can do as we are facing a debt crisis. Energy prices will go up around 25% in Jan. That's going to have huge consequences on food costs etc.
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OK. What do you think needs done?
 
paigntonhibby said:
Why the pension?
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It's really expensive, it's paid for by current taxpayers and it's paid irrespective of other income. I'm not saying it should change in those ways, but you would have it paid to well off people whike cutting other benefits that would leave people in penury.
 
Obviously folk will dismiss this guy as some right wing type but he's right. Nonetheless though @Archie "Hope, Again"....

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Archie said:
It's really expensive, it's paid for by current taxpayers and it's paid irrespective of other income. I'm not saying it should change in those ways, but you would have it paid to well off people whike cutting other benefits that would leave people in penury.
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You could say that about child benefits, should it be paid to people who dont need it?
 
Smurf said:
Where do you think we're heading?
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I don't agree with wilder apocalypic assessments of the economy. But it fits with the whole 'smash it up' view of political issues these days.

It's good to get the debt down, but the key issue is whether we can pay it, which we can.

But the approach you appear to be proposing would have very serious impacts on the economy and individuals.
 
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