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Farting against thunder Jimmy. Turkeys voting for Xmas.
Yep mate I think there is a very real problem especially down south.Farting against thunder Jimmy. Turkeys voting for Xmas.
All across Europe and in the US. Poland got it right.Yep mate I think there is a very real problem especially down south.
Clear data shouldn't be ignored.I agree with your point about labelling. It’s unhelpful and meaningless these days.
I quite like the politics threads although it can be heated at times.ironically, it was Hibs’ 150th anniversary last year. Did you not learn anything?
Irish immigrants were once accused of bringing crime, refusing to integrate and not fitting into Scottish society. Now their descendants are an integral part of Scotland, and you’re supporting a club founded by that very immigrant community.
I agree the small boats situation needs much better regulation, and I don’t agree with uncontrolled immigration either. But those concerns don’t automatically lead me to your conclusion about immigrants/refugees as a whole. That’s the point.
Maybe history is worth remembering before deciding that today’s immigrants/refugees are somehow uniquely incapable of integrating.
Lastly, if we’d had Poland’s immigration policy back in the 1800s, Hibs probably wouldn’t have been founded in the first place. So tell me — who would you be supporting then?
I’ve been a member of this page for 10 or so years, not logged back on till ages… politics aside the threads on here are always great ;)
Its more to do with cultural differences than ignorance of the law.I've read the booklet. To see what the fuss is about, it's a 5 minute read.
My take away was ... Immigrants aside there's a lot of indigenous people could do with following the guidance and they don't have the 'excuse' of ignorance of the Law![]()
I wish people would stop equating whats happening now with the past and the irish.ironically, it was Hibs’ 150th anniversary last year. Did you not learn anything?
Irish immigrants were once accused of bringing crime, refusing to integrate and not fitting into Scottish society. Now their descendants are an integral part of Scotland, and you’re supporting a club founded by that very immigrant community.
I agree the small boats situation needs much better regulation, and I don’t agree with uncontrolled immigration either. But those concerns don’t automatically lead me to your conclusion about immigrants/refugees as a whole. That’s the point.
Maybe history is worth remembering before deciding that today’s immigrants/refugees are somehow uniquely incapable of integrating.
Lastly, if we’d had Poland’s immigration policy back in the 1800s, Hibs probably wouldn’t have been founded in the first place. So tell me — who would you be supporting then?
I’ve been a member of this page for 10 or so years, not logged back on till ages… politics aside the threads on here are always great ;)
A, theyre not seeking sanctuary , theyre coming from france, a safe country.Louise Calvey, executive director of the Asylum Matters charity, said: "By singling out people seeking sanctuary as in particular need of basic instruction not to commit abuse or sexual violence, the government is fuelling hostility, suspicion and racism, instead of doing any real work to promote understanding or safety."
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Asylum seekers told rape and harassment illegal in UK in new Home Office booklet
The nine-page booklet covers issues including respect in public, sex and consent, and gender equality.www.bbc.co.uk
See theres a few labour MPs and ministers with their snouts in the trough.
Theyre all as fuckin bad as each other, disnae matter what party they belong tae.
I wouldn’t use that term. It suggests it’s a trait common to us all, which thankfully it isn’t.It's human nature, not political party affiliation.
There will always been someone out to feather their own nest/hold the upper hand.
Sad but true.
I wish people would stop equating whats happening now with the past and the irish.
After 2 or 3 generations the Irish had largely intigrated and inter married. I cannae tell the difference between my mates with some Irish ancestry and those that havent.
And have those immigrants made any effort to intigrate into the british culture and intermarry, nope. You probably wouldnt be able to date a muslim girl never mind marry one but they seem to have an unhealthy interest in our young girls
But even the “two or three generations and the Irish integrated” point proves my point. It didn’t happen overnight. Irish Catholics were still facing discrimination and being treated as outsiders in Scotland well into the 1950s, 60s, 70s and even 80s. There are documented cases of people being denied jobs simply because they were Catholic or went to a Catholic school, and research records anti-Irish/anti-Catholic prejudice continuing into the 80s and 90s.I wish people would stop equating whats happening now with the past and the irish.
After 2 or 3 generations the Irish had largely intigrated and inter married. I cannae tell the difference between my mates with some Irish ancestry and those that havent.
And have those immigrants made any effort to intigrate into the british culture and intermarry, nope. You probably wouldnt be able to date a muslim girl never mind marry one but they seem to have an unhealthy interest in our young girls

It's classic whataboutery with absolutely no similarities. In fact the opposite is true. Catholics were discriminated against but were eventually accepted.I wish people would stop equating whats happening now with the past and the irish.
After 2 or 3 generations the Irish had largely intigrated and inter married. I cannae tell the difference between my mates with some Irish ancestry and those that havent.
And have those immigrants made any effort to intigrate into the british culture and intermarry, nope. You probably wouldnt be able to date a muslim girl never mind marry one but they seem to have an unhealthy interest in our young girls
It's classic whataboutery with absolutely no similarities. In fact the opposite is true. Catholics were discriminated against but were eventually accepted.
The current nonsense worldwide with Islam is with folk who hate Western life/people/laws and want to destroy it. It's their stated aim.
Why people repeatedly ignore this is one of life's mysteries.
But you’re not actually disproving the Irish comparison — you’re just saying the situations are different. R u in denial?It's classic whataboutery with absolutely no similarities. In fact the opposite is true. Catholics were discriminated against but were eventually accepted.
The current nonsense worldwide with Islam is with folk who hate Western life/people/laws and want to destroy it. It's their stated aim.
Why people repeatedly ignore this is one of life's mysteries.
Couldn’t agree with you more mate - they should be nowhere near this countryShould be rounded up and carted away
Couldn’t agree with you more mate - they should be nowhere near this country
Who has said that?so I’ll be having absolutely none of the suggestion that Muslims or people from those communities haven’t contributed to this country or don’t belong here.
Then you'd have left outraged....Should be rounded up and carted away
Lost me I'm afraidThen you'd have left outraged....
Please do stop equating the origins of Hibernian Football Club (Men who came from another part of what was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland at the time) to an all together entirely different set of circumstances that we witness today.But you’re not actually disproving the Irish comparison — you’re just saying the situations are different. R u in denial?I’m not saying they’re identical; I’m saying history shows that integration can take generations and that people can be very quick to decide a particular group will never integrate.
I’m Muslim myself. My grandad and Mrs two great-uncles fought for this country, as did around a million other Indians and Pakistanis, so I’ll be having absolutely none of the suggestion that Muslims or people from those communities haven’t contributed to this country or don’t belong here.
And in terms of integration, I agree there are issues, and there are parts of the country where communities aren’t as well integrated. But Little Ireland around the Cowgate wasn’t exactly a model of integration either — and look how that story ended.
I chose Hibernian not only because I was born in Leith, but because it’s a story I genuinely relate to. It’s a story of immigration, discrimination, integration and eventually becoming part of the fabric of Edinburgh. You need to understand the history better, mate.
The situations aren’t identical - “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.” Give us a break mate things take time.
I mean the alliance of lunatics on the left would be outraged and upset at them correctly being rounded up and carted away.Lost me I'm afraid![]()
OK, so not me then???I mean the alliance of lunatics on the left would be outraged and upset at them correctly being rounded up and carted away.
Again, you’re in denial about the own club you support. I’ll break it down again.Please do stop equating the origins of Hibernian Football Club (Men who came from another part of what was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland at the time) to an all together entirely different set of circumstances that we witness today.
You said the “nonsense worldwide with Islam” involves people who hate Western life, people and laws and want to destroy it, as though that is something Muslims collectively represent. If you’re talking specifically about extremists, then say extremists. I have no issue condemning them.Who has said that?
Muslums ha e been here fot years, mostly Pakistani shop owners, and the vast majority were acxepted and have got to know their local communities. The iddue appears to be with the sudden mass migratiin of radical Muslums helll bent on implementing Sharia law. Would be i teresting to see the statistics for inter marriage in UK though. Not just Muslim but other religions. It should be noted though that ardent followers of any religiin tend to marry people within their own failth, even in Christianity.But you’re not actually disproving the Irish comparison — you’re just saying the situations are different. R u in denial?I’m not saying they’re identical; I’m saying history shows that integration can take generations and that people can be very quick to decide a particular group will never integrate.
I’m Muslim myself. My grandad and Mrs two great-uncles fought for this country, as did around a million other Indians and Pakistanis, so I’ll be having absolutely none of the suggestion that Muslims or people from those communities haven’t contributed to this country or don’t belong here.
And in terms of integration, I agree there are issues, and there are parts of the country where communities aren’t as well integrated. But Little Ireland around the Cowgate wasn’t exactly a model of integration either — and look how that story ended.
I chose Hibernian not only because I was born in Leith, but because it’s a story I genuinely relate to. It’s a story of immigration, discrimination, integration and eventually becoming part of the fabric of Edinburgh. You need to understand the history better, mate.
The situations aren’t identical - “History doesn’t repeat itself, but it often rhymes.” Give us a break mate things take time.
You conveniently left out the word "current" you know perfectly well the demographic I and others mean.You said the “nonsense worldwide with Islam” involves people who hate Western life, people and laws and want to destroy it, as though that is something Muslims collectively represent. If you’re talking specifically about extremists, then say extremists.
Nope as you perfectly well know.as though that is something Muslims collectively represent
I’ve lost you.You conveniently left out the word "current" you know perfectly well the demographic I and others mean.
I'm gonna leave it right here confident that what I've said was pretty plain. Have a good day.I’ve lost you.
If you mean extremists, say extremists. That’s a much more accurate conversation.
The irish didnt come here to foist their religion on others or with an avowed religious intent to take over the world.Again, you’re in denial about the own club you support. I’ll break it down again.
Ireland was subjected to centuries of English and then British colonial domination, so the fact that Ireland was part of the United Kingdom from 1801 doesn’t suddenly erase that history or the distinct Irish identity.
Your point is “They weren’t really immigrants because Ireland was part of the UK,” that’s technically relevant to the constitutional situation, but it doesn’t invalidate the comparison I’m making. I’m talking about migration, prejudice, integration and how attitudes towards a community can change over generations.
The point isn’t that the Irish experience is identical to what’s happening today. Read my last post. It’s that history gives us a reason to be cautious about assuming that a community will never integrate.
You really are one patronising twat. I'm in no denial about the "...own club you support" (whatever that means) I've read every available piece of literature on our club and the ignorance, bigotry and sectarianism they faced in its birth and origin.Again, you’re in denial about the own club you support. I’ll break it down again.
Ireland was subjected to centuries of English and then British colonial domination, so the fact that Ireland was part of the United Kingdom from 1801 doesn’t suddenly erase that history or the distinct Irish identity.
Your point is “They weren’t really immigrants because Ireland was part of the UK,” that’s technically relevant to the constitutional situation, but it doesn’t invalidate the comparison I’m making. I’m talking about migration, prejudice, integration and how attitudes towards a community can change over generations.
The point isn’t that the Irish experience is identical to what’s happening today. Read my last post. It’s that history gives us a reason to be cautious about assuming that a community will never integrate.
This and…The irish didnt come here to foist their religion on others
They didn't seek to challenge and change our way of life.
He's got his 5 mil, reform got their 17 mil. Probably wouldn't get out of bed for £225k!Developers give 255000 donation to labour as 1.9 mill sale of birmingham police station goes through.
Surprised nobody is blaming farage yet
When was he given his 5 Million?He's got his 5 mil, reform got their 17 mil. Probably wouldn't get out of bed for £225k!
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