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emerald green said:
go on egb, tell us how its news; "Regime beginning to kill people in earnest now, declaring protestors enemies of God, a charge which carries the death penalty".

You have it in you.
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Its quite literally the news EGers, these are latest developments in Iran.
 
I reckon Trump hits Iran quite quickly.

No doubt that'll bring the lunatics protesting much more than mass massacre within Iran ever will.
 
emerald green said:
Yes. So whats your problem with my post about religious zealots?
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I don't have any problem with you criticising the Iranian regime, I was simply suggesting you might be more precise.

Wherever there are humans there are zealots - for atheistic cults undesirables just become enemies of the people or volk. Presumably on the emerging islamoleft, the rest of us are enemies of God and the people.

But we have a particular form here, which is the region's biggest problem, and one of the biggest problems in the world.

So imo we should be precise about what it is, rather than give them a scintilla of cover by fudging them into some generalisation.

This is islamist governance in action.
 
egb_hibs said:
I don't have any problem with you criticising the Iranian regime, I was simply suggesting you might be more precise.
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What precision is needed?
egb_hibs said:
Wherever there are humans there are zealots - for atheistic cults undesirables just become enemies of the people or volk. Presumably on the emerging islamoleft, the rest of us are enemies of God and the people.
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And WTF has that got to do with Iranian authorities telling their people that protesting against them is protesting against THEIR version of a god, and to do so, and get caught could mean their death.?
egb_hibs said:
But we have a particular form here, which is the region's biggest problem, and one of the biggest problems in the world.
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That your OPINION of that region. Other may see it a tad different.
egb_hibs said:
So imo we should be precise about what it is, rather than give them a scintilla of cover by fudging them into some generalisation.
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The precision is in exactly what I typed.
egb_hibs said:
This is islamist governance in action.
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Yip. An abhorrence to humanity. Fuck them.

(other zealots from any other religion can take themselves all the way to fuck also)

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emerald green said:
What precision is needed?
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Isn't precision a good in itself? Tarring all with the same brush is usually associated with bigotry, no?
emerald green said:
And WTF has that got to do with Iranian authorities telling their people that protesting against them is protesting against THEIR version of a god, and to do so, and get caught could mean their death.?
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It was an argument for precision versus lumping them into a nebulous category. As you now say, it is about THEIR ideology, so why not call it out? That's all.
emerald green said:
That your OPINION of that region.
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If the middle East has a bigger problem than islamism I don't know what it is.
emerald green said:
Other may see it a tad different.

The precision is in exactly what I typed.

Yip. An abhorrence to humanity. Fuck them.

(other zealots from any other religion can take themselves all the way to fuck also)

🎯
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Given your often proclaimed loathing of religion, I find it weird you are so reluctant to be precise about specific forms which most embody what you claim to dislike. It's pretty constant like, indeed you don't seem to like precision on the part of others.

It seems like a religous thing in itself, I mean this is what the woke cult do, precisely because they do want to tar with the same brush, and because they do want to disguise the specific nature of things.

But that's not you, so your own reluctance puzzles me. Imo precison is the aforementioned good in itself, and an essential part of a reason based outlook. No biggie.
 
egb_hibs said:
Isn't precision a good in itself? Tarring all with the same brush is usually associated with bigotry, no?
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Thats why I was precise. And yes, I absolutely, unashamedly tar all religious zealots. Which has nothing to do with this thread. I was talking about Iranian Zealots. You know thee ones who are threatening to kill their civilians. But you knew that.
egb_hibs said:
It was an argument for precision versus lumping them into a nebulous category.
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You may feel that you need tombs to make your point. Others dont.
egb_hibs said:
As you now say, it is about THEIR ideology, so why not call it out? That's all.
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Its a bit obvious is it not! FFS the posts are about Iran :monkeyhide
egb_hibs said:
If the middle East has a bigger problem than islamism I don't know what it is.
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:monkeyhideIts an Islamic region 😂
egb_hibs said:
Given your often proclaimed loathing of religion, I find it weird you are so reluctant to be precise about specific forms which most embody what you claim to dislike. It's pretty constant like, indeed you don't seem to like precision on the part of others.
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again wtf!!!
egb_hibs said:
It seems like a religous thing in itself, I mean this is what the woke cult do, precisely because they do want to tar with the same brush, and because they do want to disguise the specific nature of things.
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Woke cult ! Democrats! Biden! Antifa! Trans!

egb_hibs said:
Imo precison is the aforementioned good in itself, and an essential part of a reason based outlook. No biggie.
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Its about IRAN!!
 
OK EGers, perhaps I mistook a post that generalised epochal events in Iran for you grinding your axe. My bad. At least you own your tar brushing prejudice for which I salute your indefatigibility. Would you believe that poor old @paigntonhibby who shares your basic position but has a more discerning take, is ironically accused of bigotry by some!!!

Ps the middle East is an islamic region because of Islamism by the way, oh and Turkish secularism. It was up to 20 to 25% Christian at the start of c20. There really isn't a comparable other form of religious zealotry nor an equivalent to Iran in anyone else's history afaik (not sure about the far East tbf).
 
Smurf said:
Action looks imminent...

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Funny, I read it the other way. He's going as far as to stop some meetings, big deal. You never know with him, possibly a smokescreen for something else!

edit: sorry missed the bit about "help on the way" Sounds like he is going to do something. Total chaos at home and abroad is the strategy.
 
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baggageandfibs said:
He seems confident the Iranian people have the ability to overthrow the regime without outside intervention. Might be a disaster if Trump interferes and then claims credit.
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Flipping the military is normally the way to pull it off but that's complicated in Iran I suspect.

I'd imagine the revolutionary guard are SS type bongos, loyal to regime over nation, and may not be for turning. There's also talk of them unleashing Hezbollah on the people which may be embarrassing for the cretins that had Hibs / Hezbollah stickers.

But you have a regular army too, and I guess they are the hope.
 
All out carnage now.

These Mullahs have caused it all over the region - Syria, Lebanon, Gaza, Yemen and the rest - and now they are doing it to their own people.

God help them, shifting this regime will be up there with the Berlin Wall moment. If they can do it. And then avoid a new boss same as the old boss.
 
Surely nobody is kidding themselves on that the Donald is doing ( or threatening) this out of his lovely Christian heart because he cares for the young Iranian protesters.
 
1 Mcnamara said:
Surely nobody is kidding themselves on that the Donald is doing ( or threatening) this out of his lovely Christian heart because he cares for the young Iranian protesters.
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No. However, you need to look at the wider consequences... Nothing is easy or simple despite what folk like to make out.
 
Smurf said:
No. However, you need to look at the wider consequences... Nothing is easy or simple despite what folk like to make out.
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I think it’s orange bawheid who is trying to make it all simple. Protesters get harshly treated in all corners of the globe. ( oops, what have done! Corners of a sphere 🙄) so why is he making such a fuss over this one do you think. What are the wider consequences if he lets let’s Iran police their land as they see fit?
 
Hard to keep up isn't it. Trump arrived to put an end to all the US imperialist bullshit; to stop invading other countries in the name of 'regime change', to cease putting on the 'white saviour' act, and cease trying to enforce yon 'democracy for all' shenanigans that was ultimately destructive for everyone concerned. Countries can look after their own affairs; deal with their own trouble. The US aren't there to be the world police ffs!

But now... Er...
 
History is unfolding before our eyes as brave freedom fighters walk into the guns of an islamist regime behind much of the world's ills for 45 years and some aren't interested in anything bar Donald fucking Trump. Oh and the eternal obsession an all.

Odd jobs.
 
Knows hes gone next election so america first out the window
iran has many factions, not as simple as taking out regime.
 
Dissident (and Saudi backed) Iranian media reporting the regime slaughtered 12k or more people during last week's internet blackout.

www.iranintl.com

At least 12,000 killed in Iran crackdown during internet blackout

At least 12,000 people have been killed in Iran in the largest killing in the country's contemporary history, much of it carried out on January 8 and 9 during an ongoing internet shutdown, according to senior government and security sources speaking to Iran International.
www.iranintl.com www.iranintl.com
 
egb_hibs said:
Dissident (and Saudi backed) Iranian media reporting the regime slaughtered 12k or more people during last week's internet blackout.

www.iranintl.com

At least 12,000 killed in Iran crackdown during internet blackout

At least 12,000 people have been killed in Iran in the largest killing in the country's contemporary history, much of it carried out on January 8 and 9 during an ongoing internet shutdown, according to senior government and security sources speaking to Iran International.
www.iranintl.com www.iranintl.com
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Unbelievable and absolutely brutal. Is that sanctimonious odious Greta on her boat to Iran....
 
egb_hibs said:
History is unfolding before our eyes as brave freedom fighters walk into the guns of an islamist regime behind much of the world's ills for 45 years and some aren't interested in anything bar Donald fucking Trump. Oh and the eternal obsession an all.

Odd jobs.
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Come on now...
 
Keepitgreen said:
Uh huh..
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No idea what you are on about fella. Face it this thread is one of many where the sanctimonious claptrap from some of the right on element has been exposed for what it is.

Trump. Zionists. Right wingers under the bed. The whole nine yards. The people of Iran don't seem to figure at all for some of the holier than thou.
 
egb_hibs said:
History is unfolding before our eyes as brave freedom fighters walk into the guns of an islamist regime behind much of the world's ills for 45 years and some aren't interested in anything bar Donald fucking Trump. Oh and the eternal obsession an all.

Odd jobs.
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I'm interested - its amazing really and inspiring - an amalgam of students, women's rights advocates, merchants, minorities, workers and even the metropolitan middle class coming together heroically in an attempt to bring down a islamo-fascist regime. I hope they persevere and succeed in the face of the brutality and desperation of the anti-revolutionaries. I do think that there is a real risk of western over-reach however - the strength of the revolution is in its popular roots and Iranian character - we should support but ultimately the future of iran should be determined by it's people not by the Mullahs, Trump, Netanyahu, MBS, Erdogan or Europeans
 
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gun ainm said:
I'm interested - its amazing really and inspiring - an amalgam of students, women's rights advocates, merchants, minorities, workers and even the metropolitan middle class coming together heroically in an attempt to bring down a islamo-fascist regime. I hope they persevere and succeed in the face of the brutality and desperation of the anti-revolutionaries. I do think that there is a real risk of western over-reach however - the strength of the revolution is in its popular roots and Iranian we should support but ultimately the future of iran should be determined by it's people not by the Mullahs, Trump, Netanyahu, MBS, Erdogan or Europeans
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Spot on. For now at least the Shah's heir seems to be the rallying point for a unified secular nationhood, but factionalism is a real danger even if they can overthrow the mullahs. There is the anti regime but nevertheless islamoleft MEK who could very well be a same as the old boss, while the record of middle Eastern monarchies is not unblemished either.

But if any country has the potential to escape the regional mire it is ironically the country whose regime has done more than any other to foment that mire, ie Iran. Well educated and non Arab and thus with a non Islamic civilisational legacy as a counterweight and rallying point.

This is possibly the most important moment for the world since the end of the 80s and a rare glimpse of hope amidst a procession of gloom. So much could go wrong but I so hope they can pull it off.
 
egb_hibs said:
No idea what you are on about fella. Face it this thread is one of many where the sanctimonious claptrap from some of the right on element has been exposed for what it is.

Trump. Zionists. Right wingers under the bed. The whole nine yards. The people of Iran don't seem to figure at all for some of the holier than thou.
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I'll explain chief. When I clicked in here and read the last few posts, Trump was the subject. I posted in that vein, then you followed up, so it appeared to me like you were referring to me. If you weren't, fair enough.

I am genuinely interested in your take on US intervention though. Worth it here do you think?
 
Smurf said:
Unbelievable and absolutely brutal. Is that sanctimonious odious Greta on her boat to Iran....
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c'mon Smurf you're better than JHB and others like her who'd rather fight the culture wars than focus on the issue.
 
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