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egb_hibs said:
The Swiss have banned both face coverings and the building of minarets via referenda. The largest party by vote share and parliamentary seats would be called far right over here.

Switzerland does indeed have a very high proportion of migrants, 85% of whom are from Europe. That will include Kosovans, but also lots and lots of bankers and other rich 'anywheres'. And also down the ranks, the international workforce that keeps their temples of lucre running. Anecdotally this matches what I observed working there for six months. I was surrounded by Germans and Northern Italians.

This was a good few years ago mind, but back then walking around felt more like walking around Edinburgh (except everything worked!) than multicultural cities in England or Germany (which I was going between at the time). I saw very few non white faces: as above, one of the few times I did they were being racially abused, which I had to deal with as none of the Swiss lifted a finger.

Switzerland has been accused of systemic racism by the UN and the ECHR has condemned it for racial profiling.

For many reasons, I am not sure British liberals would want the UK to resemble Switzerland. It's certainly less liberal than the UK, though that is the case of every country in the world, pretty much.
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I've spent the whole of today on the train journey from hell and I've not slept properly so I'm not really thinking in paragraphs

But I'd say the differences between a society being multiracial, multicultural and/or multiethnic are quite significant here

So minarets and face coverings can be far less important across the board to Muslims from Albania or Morocco or Azerbaijan than they are to those from Syria, Somalia or Pakistan, and this will affect how much anxiety people feel about those practices being banned or taboo

See also the point about racial abuse - so im the Swiss instance you can have widespread racism based on melanin but also limited Islamophobia, because the demographics are different and the level of familiarity is different

It's definitely the case that fast-moving global migration reveals a lot of these pressure points at some speed, but there's plenty of examples for each of these combinations - Brazil is pretty close to post-racial, a number of African countries have until very recently seen religious harmony, even with the full gamut of zealotry, happening right alongside genocides conducted along tribal lines

I don't know if we've seen a true no borders melting pot fully mature yet, but we've seen all the components in action
 
FTJT said:
I've spent the whole of today on the train journey from hell and I've not slept properly so I'm not really thinking in paragraphs

But I'd say the differences between a society being multiracial, multicultural and/or multiethnic are quite significant here

So minarets and face coverings can be far less important across the board to Muslims from Albania or Morocco or Azerbaijan than they are to those from Syria, Somalia or Pakistan, and this will affect how much anxiety people feel about those practices being banned or taboo

See also the point about racial abuse - so im the Swiss instance you can have widespread racism based on melanin but also limited Islamophobia, because the demographics are different and the level of familiarity is different

It's definitely the case that fast-moving global migration reveals a lot of these pressure points at some speed, but there's plenty of examples for each of these combinations - Brazil is pretty close to post-racial, a number of African countries have until very recently seen religious harmony, even with the full gamut of zealotry, happening right alongside genocides conducted along tribal lines

I don't know if we've seen a true no borders melting pot fully mature yet, but we've seen all the components in action
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I think you are right to highlight the vast difference between multiracial and multicultural. Many of those in power don't seem to get this which I think is a hangover from the whole 'end of history' delusion.

A multi racial melting pot has proven viable in the US, significant historical fuckwittery notwithstanding. This is obviously to set a native American perspective to the side, which is quite crucial really. The success of America has been based on everyone but them being migrants - another bit of end of history hubris has been to assume what applies to the American blank slate, could apply in 'old countries' and to forget what happened to old country Americans.

But tbe phenomenon of multiculturalism is by definition not a melting pot, and the ideology of multiculturalism expressly sets itself against ingredients in the pot melting together.

Those ingredients, so to speak, also matter.

You might find this book interesting. It documents work by economists that suggest the best predictor of a country's future prosperity is not the history of the country, but the cultural history of the populations that are in it now

In other words migration makes destination countries come to inherit the strengths and weaknesses of migrants point of origin.

Some cases make clear how disconnected culture can be from race in this regard and even how specific and granular cultural influence can be. For example (and tin hat on) Argentina went into c20 wealthier than the US and with a well functioning economy. Then Spain and Italy exported their anarchists in large number, and they came to influence the polity - it broke and it has never recovered. Economists being what they are they don't try to explain causes but stick to correlates, but the predictive power of how long established mature polities are - jndeed how far back agrarianism is - in migrant heritage cultures, is quite strong.

Any county with a large influx of Chinese is likely to prosper economically for example.

 
Community 'cohesion' and votes were far more important Sancho.
 
FTJT said:
I've spent the whole of today on the train journey from hell and I've not slept properly so I'm not really thinking in paragraphs

But I'd say the differences between a society being multiracial, multicultural and/or multiethnic are quite significant here

So minarets and face coverings can be far less important across the board to Muslims from Albania or Morocco or Azerbaijan than they are to those from Syria, Somalia or Pakistan, and this will affect how much anxiety people feel about those practices being banned or taboo

See also the point about racial abuse - so im the Swiss instance you can have widespread racism based on melanin but also limited Islamophobia, because the demographics are different and the level of familiarity is different

It's definitely the case that fast-moving global migration reveals a lot of these pressure points at some speed, but there's plenty of examples for each of these combinations - Brazil is pretty close to post-racial, a number of African countries have until very recently seen religious harmony, even with the full gamut of zealotry, happening right alongside genocides conducted along tribal lines

I don't know if we've seen a true no borders melting pot fully mature yet, but we've seen all the components in action
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I posted before I don’t think diversity/multiculturalism works, multi ethnicity and multi racial are a completely different entity to that and can and does work
 
I've just been reading about all the missed chances that happened regarding protecting the bairns in that awful hoose in Glasgow.

It's from one of the weegie press titles that are no go's on here. But it doesn't make the story any less horrifying.

Just waiting on all the 'leasons have been learned' crap........




A COUNCIL boss is facing calls to resign over shocking revelations about social work failures that left kids exposed to paedos — with staff even calling one sex abuse victim “nasty”.

A damning report revealed red flags were first raised 16 years before seven people were convicted of horror crimes against children at a pad dubbed the Beastie House.
Ms Millar was later promoted to chief officer of Glasgow’s Health and Social Care Partnership on an interim basis in 2019 before landing the role permanently in 2020.

And two years ago — after a trial exposed one of Scotland’s worst- ever paedophile scandals on her watch — she was promoted to the local authority’s top job.

At the time, the city’s SNP leader, Susan Aitken, said: “Susanne has been a superb chief officer of Glasgow HSCP, driving reforms which have delivered a transformation in our approach to supporting vulnerable children and families.”
 
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Smurf said:
And he's correct. But he's right wing so he's racist and a fascist. So obviously to be dismissed. That he's done so much investigative work is to be dismissed the *&*^.
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You don't think there's any way this 'report' might be less than impartial?
 
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Smurf said:
It'll be far from perfect.

Though you're spectacularly missing the point of why there's no official 'report' or public inquiry. And we all know exactly why there isn't.
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You maybe missed these:

The Report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE Ivor Frank Drusilla Sharpling CBE
www.iicsa.org.uk www.iicsa.org.uk


BBC News - Scottish government orders public inquiry into grooming gangs
www.bbc.co.uk

Scottish government orders public inquiry into grooming gangs

Education Secretary Jenny Gilruth says the government will "act decisively" to protect children from harm.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
 
Imagine Sarwar did a 'report' into the SNP scandals. What status do you think that would have?

This is not a formal inqury, there's no requirement for witnesses to appear, no-one is under oath and the report can state what it likes. It's a piece of political theatre, that's all.
 
Then it's time Starmer got his dafties to get a public inquiry going Archie.

The longer the delay the more folk wonder what are we not hearing.

And of course Reform will benefit from Starmers reluctance to do anything because the local Labour party's covered up the abuse.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Then it's time Starmer got his dafties to get a public inquiry going Archie.

The longer the delay the more folk wonder what are we not hearing.

And of course Reform will benefit from Starmers reluctance to do anything because the local Labour party's covered up the abuse.
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It has started. The terms of reference are agreed, the chair and panel are in place. It will take no more than three years. They take a long time. I don't know the status of the Scottish one.
 
Archie said:
It has started. The terms of reference are agreed, the chair and panel are in place. It will take no more than three years. They take a long time. I don't know the status of the Scottish one.
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Well hopefully those lassies get some justice at last and the perpetrators and those who covered the atrocities up then get jailed and/or sacked from their jobs.
 
Archie said:
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You maybe missed these:

The Report of the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse

A report of the Inquiry Panel Professor Alexis Jay OBE Professor Sir Malcolm Evans KCMG OBE Ivor Frank Drusilla Sharpling CBE
www.iicsa.org.uk www.iicsa.org.uk


BBC News - Scottish government orders public inquiry into grooming gangs
www.bbc.co.uk

Scottish government orders public inquiry into grooming gangs

Education Secretary Jenny Gilruth says the government will "act decisively" to protect children from harm.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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Incredible that you can post that with a straight face. Yeah all the victims are fully satisfied that the remit of the inquiries went far enough.... you should actually be ashamed to suggest otherwise. It's that, at best, insensitive tone, that sees Starmer and Labour fuckin despised.
 
Smurf said:
Incredible that you can post that with a straight face. Yeah all the victims are fully satisfied that the remit of the inquiries went far enough.... you should actually be ashamed to suggest otherwise. It's that, at best, insensitive tone, that sees Starmer and Labour fuckin despised.
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You said:

'Though you're spectacularly missing the point of why there's no official 'report' or public inquiry. And we all know exactly why there isn't.'

I pointed out that there was one completed, there is one started down south and one to start in Scotland? So yes, I can post with a straight face becuse these are the facts. What's insensitive about that? I think it's insensitive that you are completely misrepresenting the situation for political reasons. How very Reform.

I've no idea whether all the victims are fully satisfied with the remit of the inquries. Nor I suspect do you. My view is consistent: we had an extensive inquiry into child sexual abuse with extensive recommendations. Energy should be put in to addressing these now. But there seems to be curiously little interest in that.
 
Archie said:
You said:

'Though you're spectacularly missing the point of why there's no official 'report' or public inquiry. And we all know exactly why there isn't.'

I pointed out that there was one completed, there is one started down south and one to start in Scotland? So yes, I can post with a straight face becuse these are the facts. What's insensitive about that? I think it's insensitive that you are completely misrepresenting the situation for political reasons. How very Reform.

I've no idea whether all the victims are fully satisfied with the remit of the inquries. Nor I suspect do you. My view is consistent: we had an extensive inquiry into child sexual abuse with extensive recommendations. Energy should be put in to addressing these now. But there seems to be curiously little interest in that.
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Yes Archie child abuse happens far too often in all races, creeds and colours.

But how many of the rape gangs who operated had their crimes hidden by social services, health boards, schools, local politicians and the bizzies?

And that is why the rape gangs inquiry is a must. Just to see how corrupt all those different state bodies really are.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Yes Archie child abuse happens far too often in all races, creeds and colours.

But how many of the rape gangs who operated had their crimes hidden by social services, health boards, schools, local politicians and the bizzies?

And that is why the rape gangs inquiry is a must. Just to see how corrupt all those different state bodies really are.
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We have two inquiries on the go. The Jay inquiry took 7 years and covered grooming gangs. This was part of a wider remit of child sexual expolitation.

Jay made a large number of recommendations. As ever these will need a lot of resources and political will to take forward. TBH I would take the protestations about this more seriously if those making the most noise were pushing for action on the recommendations. But I never see that. Why do you think that is?
 
Archie said:
We have two inquiries on the go. The Jay inquiry took 7 years and covered grooming gangs. This was part of a wider remit of child sexual expolitation.

Jay made a large number of recommendations. As ever these will need a lot of resources and political will to take forward. TBH I would take the protestations about this more seriously if those making the most noise were pushing for action on the recommendations. But I never see that. Why do you think that is?
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We have spoke about it before on here and yes the findings should be implemented.

But those rape gangs in nearly 50 towns and cities is not covered in the Jay Report.

I believe the Jay one covered two towns only.
 
And anyone saying about GBNews look at the last one from UK parliament.
 
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