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Dub

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Just started 9 minutes ago. It looks like an eye opener.
 
Dub said:
Just started 9 minutes ago. It looks like an eye opener.
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Watching it. Over 20 years ago I lived in London for a couple of years and I knew a group of Arsenal fans exactly like this. At that time it was my first exposure to that particular brand of aggressive, intolerant racism. It was and is massively different to the casual racism that most of us come across.
 
Shades said:
Watching it. Over 20 years ago I lived in London for a couple of years and I knew a group of Arsenal fans exactly like this. At that time it was my first exposure to that particular brand of aggressive, intolerant racism. It was and is massively different to the casual racism that most of us come across.
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I know what you mean. I was down there 25+ years ago and it was the same then. I got chucked out a pub for buying a black dude a drink and taking it outside to him after the barman had told him to fukk off out his pub. It's a shame because it was my local at the time :doh
 
I remember, many years ago, getting a train from Kings Cross to Woolwich and a large gang of white lads dishing out frightening abuse to an old Asian woman, her daughter and wee grandaughter. I`d never seen anything like it. It was genuinely disturbing. I`ve never forgotten it.
 
Dub said:
I know what you mean. I was down there 25+ years ago and it was the same then. I got chucked out a pub for buying a black dude a drink and taking it outside to him after the barman had told him to fukk off out his pub. It's a shame because it was my local at the time :doh
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What a horrible experience.
Now I understand why you never buy anyone a pint.
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Lexo said:
Watching it. Not liking it though
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Quite terrifying.

I really don't know which 'mob' I found the most intimidating. I would find it very difficult to live quietly in such areas.
Makes West Lothian seem a positively harmonious wee place to stay.
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As I said elsewhere, I hate both sides equally, baldy fuds v beardy fannies, both lots indoctrinated dafties.
 
I have obviously led a sheltered life living in the back waters of west lothian and cannot say I have ever seen or experienced such vile people, in a few clips each side were equally as vile as the other, complete dregs of society.
 
Fauldhoose said:
I have obviously led a sheltered life living in the back waters of west lothian and cannot say I have ever seen or experienced such vile people, in a few clips each side were equally as vile as the other, complete dregs of society.
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It wasn't pleasant viewing was it.
 
Fauldhoose said:
I have obviously led a sheltered life living in the back waters of west lothian and cannot say I have ever seen or experienced such vile people, in a few clips each side were equally as vile as the other, complete dregs of society.
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Humans are a strange species. In wars we often see previously good people resorting to rape and torture. People seem to be easily influenced and once a momentum has been started by the intolerant few, the masses are easily led by the few. We only need to look at Hitler to realise the power of persuasion
 
psychocandy said:
Never been to Glasgow on derby day?

Aside from a handful of marches, populated by a handful of window lickers, you're very, very unlikely to come across this kind of racism in London.
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To me it was summed up by the guy saying you went through football violence to that , just a bunch of arseholes looking for a scrap
 
psychocandy said:
Never been to Glasgow on derby day?

Aside from a handful of marches, populated by a handful of window lickers, you're very, very unlikely to come across this kind of racism in London.
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Indeed, kinda backed up by Londons mass rejection of UKIP at the last elections.
 
cowiecabbage said:
Was timberfox on it?
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I didn't see anyone with a badge saying Timberfox on it :077: and other than that I wouldn't know but I hope he watched it and was suitably disgusted.
 
Dub said:
I didn't see anyone with a badge saying Timberfox on it :077: and other than that I wouldn't know but I hope he watched it and was suitably disgusted.
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I must admit Dub I was disgusted with both sides idiots. The were a disgrace. The chant of "one Lee Rigby" was despicable, and even more so that his family denounced the use of his death as a weapon for these bigots to use. The responses from the Choudry mob of "your wife, children etc will be muslims" was idiotic and ammunition against decent muslims. Then again neither of these bams actually give a shit about decent folk going about their normal lives.
 
Lexo said:
I must admit Dub I was disgusted with both sides idiots. The were a disgrace. The chant of "one Lee Rigby" was despicable, and even more so that his family denounced the use of his death as a weapon for these bigots to use. The responses from the Choudry mob of "your wife, children etc will be muslims" was idiotic and ammunition against decent muslims. Then again neither of these bams actually give a shit about decent folk going about their normal lives.
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Totally agree dude. When the muslim bloke started shouting those things I could feel my blood start to boil and if I'm honest, if I heard someone shouting that at me [although in fairness this guy was provoked a bit] I would find it difficult not to have a go at him myself. The Lee Rigby chant was disgraceful.
 
Dub said:
I didn't see anyone with a badge saying Timberfox on it :077: and other than that I wouldn't know but I hope he watched it and was suitably disgusted.
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I did ,but could not watch all , it was disgusting
 
Dub said:
Totally agree dude. When the muslim bloke started shouting those things I could feel my blood start to boil and if I'm honest, if I heard someone shouting that at me [although in fairness this guy was provoked a bit] I would find it difficult not to have a go at him myself. The Lee Rigby chant was disgraceful.
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One thought I had was that as much as these two groups like to draw hard and steadfast barriers between what they think they are and what they think they are standing up for they, in a world where we like to pigeon hole people, are far closer to each other's pigeon hole than they are to the rest of society. They both spout hatred, intolerance and ignorance of other cultures, races and religions. Most people don't do that. So if ever there had to be a definite line drawn as to where people had to stand then they, both groups, would be on the opposite side to most right-thinking people with half a brain cell. They'd be on the same side because they, essentially, want the same things - only the persecutors and victims are reversed.
 
Shades said:
One thought I had was that as much as these two groups like to draw hard and steadfast barriers between what they think they are and what they think they are standing up for they, in a world where we like to pigeon hole people, are far closer to each other's pigeon hole than they are to the rest of society. They both spout hatred, intolerance and ignorance of other cultures, races and religions. Most people don't do that. So if ever there had to be a definite line drawn as to where people had to stand then they, both groups, would be on the opposite side to most right-thinking people with half a brain cell. They'd be on the same side because they, essentially, want the same things - only the persecutors and victims are reversed.
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I've not seen this but you are bang on, with the last bit. In fact the 'thinkers' that modernised the NF then the BNP, including griffin, were big admirers of Islamism until it became opportunistic to oppose it, it has many parallels not only with Bolshevism but with the ideas of neo fascism.
 
timberfox said:
:pullhair::rollfloorNow that's what you call racism , that's true racist's , I would be quite glad to be called a Muslim Extremophile , but not a racist.
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I'm quite sure that you'll live the rest of your days out without ever being called a Muslim Extremophile.
 
Shades said:
I'm quite sure that you'll live the rest of your days out without ever being called a Muslim Extremophile.
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I apologise it should read Extremophobe oops silly me would not even like to guess what a extremophile may be :rollfloor
 
gun ainm said:
good article by Zizek on the Paris terrorists - the analysis could equally apply to the white angry boys from the programme....

http://www.newstatesman.com/world-affairs/2015/01/slavoj-i-ek-charlie-hebdo-massacre-are-worst-really-full-passionate-intensity

useful too on the weakness of liberalism when it come to addressing fascism or islamo-fascism
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hopelessly unable to escape the cliches of bourgeois liberalism. Cultural imperialism at its most self defeating
 
egb_hibs said:
hopelessly unable to escape the cliches of bourgeois liberalism. Cultural imperialism at its most self defeating
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i'd have thought you'd have agreed with Zizek with the ineptitude of western liberalism in addressing fascism? you've argued much the same in the past (if less eruditely :lookaround:)
 
gun ainm said:
i'd have thought you'd have agreed with Zizek with the ineptitude of western liberalism in addressing fascism? you've argued much the same in the past (if less eruditely :lookaround:)
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He starts of promisingly enough, but ends up insisting on trying to frame Islamism through the lens of western agendas. They are not fascists and not subject to cliched analyses of fascism. The dynamics of it all have parallels (in fact bolshevism more so) but their aims, motivations and cultural context could not be more different.

We'll get nowhere till we take start taking non white people seriously, as capable of other than playing out stories authored in the west.
 
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I live in Essex and I found that programme truly sad.

They were just former football hooligans who have a twisted view of what it means to be English. Sun and Mail readers who tar all muslims with the same brush. Of course there is good and bad in all peoples but they think all muslims are the same as those nutters they want to battle with.
 
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