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gun ainm

gun ainm

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interesting new poll suggests significant increase in majority for SNP at holyrood and big advance for greens

SNP 73 (+4) - a predicted 60% share of constituency vote
Lab 25 (-12) - a predicted 19% share of constituency vote
Con 17 (+2) -
Lib 4 (-1)
Green 10 (+8)
UKIP 0 (-) :applause:

https://commonspace.scot/articles/1561/remarkable-new-poll-suggests-60-of-scots-are-set-to-back-snp-at-holyrood-elections

http://bright-green.org/2015/06/09/poll-suggests-scottish-greens-will-win-10-seats-in-holyrood/

likely i will vote snp/green
 
gun ainm said:
interesting new poll suggests significant increase in majority for SNP at holyrood and big advance for greens

SNP 73 (+4) - a predicted 60% share of constituency vote
Lab 25 (-12) - a predicted 19% share of constituency vote
Con 17 (+2) -
Lib 4 (-1)
Green 10 (+8)
UKIP 0 (-) :applause:

https://commonspace.scot/articles/1561/remarkable-new-poll-suggests-60-of-scots-are-set-to-back-snp-at-holyrood-elections

http://bright-green.org/2015/06/09/poll-suggests-scottish-greens-will-win-10-seats-in-holyrood/

likely i will vote snp/green
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It's interesting that the green vote will be so much higher relative to the ukip one compared to what happened in the GE. Ukip got more votes than the greens at Westminster and that's obviously going to reverse, but one would think it was green voters giving the snp GE votes - and yet apparently not.
 
HenryLB said:
It's interesting that the green vote will be so much higher relative to the ukip one compared to what happened in the GE. Ukip got more votes than the greens at Westminster and that's obviously going to reverse, but one would think it was green voters giving the snp GE votes - and yet apparently not.
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I think it's the PR component, I don't know any similar shift is forecast to be forthcoming from constituency vote.

As you say lots of second votes - scotland has certainly got a large segment of utopians energised by recent events. Where better for greens to thrive than In a country that doesn't make its own decisions and historically looks to Fabian statists to make everything alright.

Harmless enough and will change rapidly after independence.

The greens are possibly also capitalising on the Orange vote given their hostility to ra cafflick skools :coffee:
 
egb_hibs said:
I think it's the PR component, I don't know any similar shift is forecast to be forthcoming from constituency vote.

As you say lots of second votes - scotland has certainly got a large segment of utopians energised by recent events. Where better for greens to thrive than In a country that doesn't make its own decisions and historically looks to Fabian statists to make everything alright.

Harmless enough and will change rapidly after independence.

The greens are possibly also capitalising on the Orange vote given their hostility to ra cafflick skools :coffee:
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Huns to vote green?
 
gun ainm said:
likely i will vote snp/green
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me too.

SNP gathering huge support despite indyref setback. Scots want a better deal in UK, and think SNP are best placed to do that. A bit like the UK in the EU voting Tory/UKIP.

I think scots are destined to be disappointed within the UK, and whilst I expect Cameron to screw very little from the EU I'm much less convinced that I'm right on that.
 
possibility of euro ref on same day as scotgovt elections....

might be a boost for big euro players if they get the air time?
 
egb_hibs said:
I think it's the PR component, I don't know any similar shift is forecast to be forthcoming from constituency vote.

As you say lots of second votes - scotland has certainly got a large segment of utopians energised by recent events. Where better for greens to thrive than In a country that doesn't make its own decisions and historically looks to Fabian statists to make everything alright.

Harmless enough and will change rapidly after independence.

The greens are possibly also capitalising on the Orange vote given their hostility to ra cafflick skools :coffee:
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more power to the Utopians if this is what gritty realism lands us

re the catholic schools - as I understand it a proposal to look at merging all religious state funded schools with non-denom schools was proposed in their 2010 manifesto....perhaps well intentioned, not sure about the practicalities of it myself - dont know if thats still policy or not? or if there is more detail available?

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egb_hibs said:
Ironic, isn't it. Huns to vote for intolerance is less so though.
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intolerance is quite a stretch isnt it? secularism perhaps?
 
It's only secularism when they stop teaching religion at 'nondom' schools.
 
1875 said:
It's only secularism when they stop teaching religion at 'nondom' schools.
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I disagree with that. Nondenoms are anything but ideologically neutral - nor can they be. 'Secularism' has turned into a kind of atheist religion in it's own right. And that won't be excluded anytime soon. The inside of some schools are almost Orwellian ; one I attended a show in had every wall festooned with posters, banners and murals - the latter dwarfing the diminutive inmates of the facility - all bludgeoning home the same glib ideological messages. I was genuinely a little shocked.

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gun ainm said:
more power to the Utopians if this is what gritty realism lands us
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Surely you jest? We have had anything but realism.

re the catholic schools - as I understand it a proposal to look at merging all religious state funded schools with non-denom schools was proposed in their 2010 manifesto....perhaps well intentioned, not sure about the practicalities of it myself - dont know if thats still policy or not? or if there is more detail available?
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Dunno. Just on the list of things they would ban or curtail AFAIK.

intolerance is quite a stretch isnt it? secularism perhaps?
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I know the distinction has become blurred these days, but secularism doesn't equal ideologues closing down anything but their own preferred ideology.

The greens are yet another gaggle of authoritarian ideologues and a puritanical one at that. Ask the working class of Brighton and Hove upon whom the hipsters inflict them.

This mentality of banning things, it's getting a bit carried away do you not think?

I don't have much more to say on them; certainly no desire to fork this into a schools debate, especially after the scottish government have concluded schools are not a contributor to sectarianism - a welcome statement of the obvious, thereby exposing authoritarian agendas for what they are. The greens are just another symptom of our intolerant times but one so marginal as to not really be worth bothering about.
 
Do you want a list of things I don't want to pay for? How long have you got?

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Ps R it may have escaped your attention but a Green Party government wouldn't be paying for any schools. I would be paying for them, you would, Etc etc

Therefore the Green Party telling me I cannot pay for a given kind of school is a de facto ban. If they let me opt out of the equivalent amount of tax then I'll wirhdraw the accusation but I think it unlikely. Maybe the best resolution is for the state to get out of education completely -
It been a Johnny come lately who is not making that good a job of it anyway
 
egb_hibs said:
Do you want a list of things I don't want to pay for? How long have you got?

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Ps R it may have escaped your attention but a Green Party government wouldn't be paying for any schools. I would be paying for them, you would, Etc etc

Therefore the Green Party telling me I cannot pay for a given kind of school is a de facto ban. If they let me opt out of the equivalent amount of tax then I'll wirhdraw the accusation but I think it unlikely. Maybe the best resolution is for the state to get out of education completely -
It been a Johnny come lately who is not making that good a job of it anyway
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out of interest who will likely get your list vote next year? assume an SNP 2nd vote is wasted (which seems likely)....
 
Ukip possibly for the reasons I've given before. Don't ask
Me about any particular policy because that's not my interest. My interest In them is reflected in the debates labour are having now. This is what I want from UKIp - for them to influence the centre, not to govern or implement anything from a fantasy manifesto.

My ideal would - oddly enough - be a Labour Party - or a scottish version - reflecting broadly the agenda that psychocandy and I post about; community focussed (not in the awful identity politics meaning - which is a despicable method of divide and rule), empowering, devolving, Cooperative. I mean a Labour Party with a small l - just as, in fact more happy, if a post Indy snp becomes like that. In fact if it came to it in not really bothered who redefines the centre that way - it could be the Tories for all I care, though that's less likely as they don't have the pressing need to reinvent themselves.

Again as I've bored the bollocks of you with, I don't identify
With the Anglo Saxon settlement - which also includes the celts at this point in time.
 
egb_hibs said:
Ukip possibly for the reasons I've given before. Don't ask
Me about any particular policy because that's not my interest. My interest In them is reflected in the debates labour are having now. This is what I want from UKIp - for them to influence the centre, not to govern or implement anything from a fantasy manifesto.

My ideal would - oddly enough - be a Labour Party - or a scottish version - reflecting broadly the agenda that psychocandy and I post about; community focussed (not in the awful identity politics meaning - which is a despicable method of divide and rule), empowering, devolving, Cooperative. I mean a Labour Party with a small l - just as, in fact more happy, if a post Indy snp becomes like that. In fact if it came to it in not really bothered who redefines the centre that way - it could be the Tories for all I care, though that's less likely as they don't have the pressing need to reinvent themselves.

Again as I've bored the bollocks of you with, I don't identify
With the Anglo Saxon settlement - which also includes the celts at this point in time.
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if i stretch i can just about see a logic there M - but it is a stretch. UKIP may reflect the anti-establishment consensus on what might be considered PC but despite me having a little sympathy with some of that debate the overall 'mordorishness' of UKIP means i wish them nothing but electoral failure. It will indeed be interesting to see if Labour re-invernts itself but i wouldn't hold my breath. Out of interest have you be following the community empowerment bill and agenda of the snp - anything there you feel?
 
gun ainm said:
if i stretch i can just about see a logic there M - but it is a stretch. UKIP may reflect the anti-establishment consensus on what might be considered PC but despite me having a little sympathy with some of that debate the overall 'mordorishness' of UKIP means i wish them nothing but electoral failure. It will indeed be interesting to see if Labour re-invernts itself but i wouldn't hold my breath. Out of interest have you be following the community empowerment bill and agenda of the snp - anything there you feel?
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It's not that much of a stretch R, it's actually working with dramatic speed. That said labour will no doubt ultimately refuse to learn the lesson this time round. If they do they're finished and something new will emerge, which is fine.

Don't know much about the empowerment bill I shall look into it when I get a chance. Snp are means to an end for me though; they are a welcome change from the anti social liberal elite of labour, but they're still reliant on reactiomary starist thinking which has no future because it is unaffordable as well as being itself socially destructive.

We are living through an era where the western world will change or die. It's quite interesting.
 
interesting article on tactics for pro indy voters in 2016

https://commonspace.scot/articles/1394/andrew-hughes-how-yes-voters-can-turn-56-mps-into-over-100-msps-without-a-single-extra-vote

the maths of the electoral system are such that if everyone who voted snp for Westminster gave their second vote to a.n.other pro indy party we'd get the following result

SNP: 69
Other Pro-Indy: 35
LABOUR: 15
CON: 7
LIB DEM: 3

thats 104/129 in the yes camp without the need to gain a single extra supporter - whether thats desireable or not is another thing but it is interesting is it not? working the system this way could deal a near death blow to labour imo. perhaps the greens could be this party, perhaps another party could fill the gap?

without the transferal we'd likely get (based on this years poll)

SNP: 73
LABOUR: 30
CON: 17
LIB DEM: 9

also shows it'll likely be a waste of time voting snp:snp
 
No system is infallible? It would make a mockery of the two votes system


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