woman wearing "help for heroes" armband refused service in ASDA

[buckie]

As im frequently accussed of posting things like this without expressing my own opinion I would like to add that if this is true this is absolutely shocking and ASDA should hang there heads in shame. I can understand if they banned staff from wearing, crosses, burqas, political armbands etc, i wouldnt agree but id understand it in the workplace. However refusing to serve customers for something like that is unforgivable.

MoD News - Asda Till Snub For Hope For Heroes Mum

Mum-of-three Beth Hoyle claims an Asda till worker refused to serve her because she was wearing a wristband backing injured troops.

Beth says the checkout lad told her the band for Help for Heroes - aided by The Sun - meant she supported the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

And when she complained to a supervisor, he BACKED the Asian youth, saying he was entitled to his view.

Beth, 40, who has two brothers in the services, said the checkout worker told her he didn't want to serve her because of "what she was wearing."

Shocked Beth, of Whitworth, Greater Manchester, said that at first she thought the youth at Asda's Rochdale store meant a cross round her neck.

"He pointed to my Help for Heroes wristband and accused me of supporting the war. I told him it was nothing to do with the war, but about supporting our injured troops.

"I immediately complained to a supervisor, but he said it was his right not to serve me. I was disgusted."

An Asda spokeswoman said they were "shocked" by the claims but had found no evidence that the incident happened in their store.

She added: "We are big supporters of the Help for Heroes campaign and we sell the pin badges and wristband in hundreds of our stores."

 

[MacoHibeeexile]

Sounds like tabloid nonsense.

 

[Briant]

Maybe Asda could help stop this kind of confusion by better labelling.





Aisles could have big banners above them so you could be served by someone appropriate.


For example, queue here if you- Support the war; Oppose the war; Believe in God; Are atheist; Support Hibs; Support Gunts.

That way nobody need be offended

 

[buckie]

Sounds like tabloid nonsense.

yes it does, but i will follow it on the MOD site to see what happens.

 

[Wolfetone Hibee]

A guy I know did a sponsored bike ride for HFH a cupla months back and his local ASDA refused to let him put a collection box in the store because it was 'that' charity. He was told it is because of Walmart.

He's not a liar.

 

[superbam]

Sounds like the usual load of pish.

However having worked at Asda/Walmart for 3 years I wouldnt put anything past them they do a fine line in nonsense

 

[whiskas]

Could be worse, she could be a Jedi

 

[Briant]

Could be worse, she could be a Jedi

And what's wrong with Jedi :jedi:

Edit. Just noticed it's a link


"The grocery empire struck back"

Very good.

 

[Haruki]

Buckie,

You're wasted on the bounce. Surely there's a Dailly Mail headline writer shaking in his boots as the reverbations of your thread titles hit Fleet St.?

 

[hibadelic]

I've heard British people are banned from rambling in the Lake District. It's shocking. Broken Britain. etc. etc. grrrr

 

[buckie]

Buckie,

You're wasted on the bounce. Surely there's a Dailly Mail headline writer shaking in his boots as the reverbations of your thread titles hit Fleet St.?

am I not Irvine Welsh this week then?

 

[egb_hibs]

it's interesting how desperate people are to disbelieve these things. i don't know if it is or is not true, but it's certainly not out of step with stuff that does go on.

 

[Nex]

I love how it feels the need to point out the apparant person on the till was asian. Assuming the story IS true, then the reason for her not being served was because "the bands ment she supported the war" really the person believing that's race doesn't or at least shouldn't matter.

If it had been a white person in their story would it have said "And when she complained to a supervisor, he BACKED the White youth, saying he was entitled to his view."
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Aside from it being a non-story anyway as shops can refuse sale to anyone for any reason they want.

 

[egb_hibs]

I love how it feels the need to point out the apparant person on the till was asian. Assuming the story IS true, then the reason for her not being served was because "the bands ment she supported the war" really the person believing that's race doesn't or at least shouldn't matter.

If it had been a white person in their story would it have said "And when she complained to a supervisor, he BACKED the White youth, saying he was entitled to his view."
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Aside from it being a non-story anyway as shops can refuse sale to anyone for any reason they want.

Well yes, except the story infers this was not a corporate policy, so it may be something the youth in question decided to take upon himself. In fact that's precisely what the article is implies.

And in that case it's relevant.

 

[Colchester Hibs]

Im in the forces and to be honest i couldn't give a flying fu*k about this H4H, its just the sun trying to make some noise for them self, however if the checkout gezzer had done that to me i would have put him through the fu*kin shop window, jumped up little tit.

 

[shandongreen]

Im in the forces and to be honest i couldn't give a flying fu*k about this H4H, its just the sun trying to make some noise for them self, however if the checkout gezzer had done that to me i would have put him through the fu*kin shop window, jumped up little tit.

And if i had been behind you,i may have taken a liberty........Skanky bastards.

 

[Forzahibs]

Aside from it being a non-story anyway as shops can refuse sale to anyone for any reason they want.

So supposing a guy refused to serve an Asian cos some of them like blowing up subways you don't think they'd mention he was white ?
Would that be ok as above ?

 

[Nex]

Well surely said Asian in your example Forza to make it anything like the same would have to be wearing something which could be construed as supporting those actions by a slightly odd staff member...maybe bands for a charity supporting the families of men who commited suicide bombings?


The point is that going by the rest of the information in the article race doesn't need to be an issue, unless, like the article, you choose to make it one.

I believe that a person of any race, who saw supporting the wars as a good enough reason to refuse a person service (even if they were mistaken in thinking the person supported it) would do so.

 

[Forzahibs]

Well surely said Asian would have to be wearing something which could be construed as supporting those actions by a slightly odd staff member...maybe bands for a charity supporting the families of men who commited suicide bombings?


The point is that going by the rest of the information in the article race doesn't need to be an issue, unless, like the article, you choose to make it one.

I believe that a person of any race, who saw supporting the wars as a good enough reason to refuse a person service (even if they were mistaken in thinking the person supported it) would do so.

How is the person "supporting a war exactly ?? A very good mate of mine on here has only recently returned from Afghanistan and i sure as fuck support him .
There are plenty of Muslims going about who support the stuff i mentioned but of course if we go against them in any way we are racists .
How about someone refusing to serve someone who supports the aids foundation , would that be ok ?

 

[shandongreen]

How is the person "supporting a war exactly ?? A very good mate of mine on here has only recently returned from Afghanistan and i sure as fuck support him .
There are plenty of Muslims going about who support the stuff i mentioned but of course if we go against them in any way we are racists .
How about someone refusing to serve someone who supports the aids foundation , would that be ok ?

Daz,why even get involved with the PC brigade,if it wasnt for our armed forces they wouldnt have free speech,if i could ,but i wouldnt, i would tell them all to .FUCK OFF.:coffee:

 

[egb_hibs]

Well surely said Asian in your example Forza to make it anything like the same would have to be wearing something which could be construed as supporting those actions by a slightly odd staff member...maybe bands for a charity supporting the families of men who commited suicide bombings?


The point is that going by the rest of the information in the article race doesn't need to be an issue, unless, like the article, you choose to make it one.

I believe that a person of any race, who saw supporting the wars as a good enough reason to refuse a person service (even if they were mistaken in thinking the person supported it) would do so.

I find it utterly fascinating to watch the way that adherence to pc, over time, loosens people's purchase on reality.

Of course it's relevant Nex. In case you haven't noticed, young men of asian extraction are involving themselves in political radicalism by claiming kinship with their 'muslim brothers'. This involves a spectrum activity with bombings at one end, and perhaps this at the far other.

And a certain stripe of brit seems compelled to retreat before this and to cravenly excuse it.

If this story is legit, only two sorts of people would realistically have done this; one of these misguided muslim youths or one of the self hating brits I allude to. Both are a danger to this society generally and muslim integration specifically.

 

[Forzahibs]

Daz,why even get involved with the PC brigade,if it wasnt for our armed forces they wouldnt have free speech,if i could ,but i wouldnt, i would tell them all to .FUCK OFF.:coffee:

The twat in Asda has probably never been in a mosque in his puff either

 

[Colchester Hibs]

Well surely said Asian in your example Forza to make it anything like the same would have to be wearing something which could be construed as supporting those actions by a slightly odd staff member...maybe bands for a charity supporting the families of men who commited suicide bombings?


The point is that going by the rest of the information in the article race doesn't need to be an issue, unless, like the article, you choose to make it one.

I believe that a person of any race, who saw supporting the wars as a good enough reason to refuse a person service (even if they were mistaken in thinking the person supported it) would do so.

It all boil's down to people's beliefs and shit, if it was the other way round and the lad was wearing a help the terrorist's band and i saw it i would have tied him up in one of those asda re-useable bag and thrown him in the river. Sooner or later the shit is gonna hit the fan with this sort of stuff going on.

 

[Forzahibs]

It all boil's down to people's beliefs and shit, if it was the other way round and the lad was wearing a help the terrorist's band and i saw it i would have tied him up in one of those asda re-useable bag and thrown him in the river. Sooner or later the shit is gonna hit the fan with this sort of stuff going on.

Fuckin ridiculous attitude






























Not enviromentally friendly in the slightest

 

[Nex]

Okay how are you guys misreading my post so badly. Badly enough that some of you feel the need to personally attack me.

Are you taking the piss?...cause if not you should really re-read the post I made. Here I'll quote the important bit you missed again.

(even if they were mistaken in thinking the person supported it)

No where did I say the person was RIGHT in linking the charity with support of the wars, all I said, repeatedly, was that race shouldn't be an issue here.

 

[Forzahibs]

Okay how are you guys misreading my post so badly. Badly enough that some of you feel the need to personally attack me.

Are you taking the piss?...cause if not you should really re-read the post I made. Here I'll quote the important bit you missed again.



No where did I say the person was RIGHT in linking the charity with support of the wars, all I said, repeatedly, was that race shouldn't be an issue here.

But surely race IS the issue ?

 

[egb_hibs]

Okay how are you guys misreading my post so badly. Badly enough that some of you feel the need to personally attack me.

Are you taking the piss?...cause if not you should really re-read the post I made. Here I'll quote the important bit you missed again.



No where did I say the person was RIGHT in linking the charity with support of the wars, all I said, repeatedly, was that race shouldn't be an issue here.

who is personally attacking you?

and, for the third time, you are wrong that race is insignificant here.

 

[shandongreen]

Okay how are you guys misreading my post so badly. Badly enough that some of you feel the need to personally attack me.

Are you taking the piss?...cause if not you should really re-read the post I made. Here I'll quote the important bit you missed again.



No where did I say the person was RIGHT in linking the charity with support of the wars, all I said, repeatedly, was that race shouldn't be an issue here.

So in your thinking if,a bunch of cops seen a supporter of islamic terrorism having the shit kicked out of him,they could withdraw there services as they feel that is appropriate if they believe the "doin" to be perfectly fine as it is there beliefs.

Holy shit,who is taking the piss now.

Dont dig too deep,youll be in for the night.

 

[Nex]

I find it utterly fascinating to watch the way that adherence to pc, over time, loosens people's purchase on reality.

Nice personal attack to get things started on top form as usual egb.

Of course it's relevant Nex. In case you haven't noticed, young men of asian extraction are involving themselves in political radicalism by claiming kinship with their 'muslim brothers'. This involves a spectrum activity with bombings at one end, and perhaps this at the far other.

And a certain stripe of brit seems compelled to retreat before this and to cravenly excuse it.

If this story is legit, only two sorts of people would realistically have done this; one of these misguided muslim youths or one of the self hating brits I allude to. Both are a danger to this society generally and muslim integration specifically.

The only "sorts of people" who would have done this would be ANYONE who was so strongly opposed to the wars that they felt they should not provide a service to someone who supported it.
I assure you there are bound to be a lot more than "two sorts" of them.

 

[Colchester Hibs]

Okay how are you guys misreading my post so badly. Badly enough that some of you feel the need to personally attack me.

Are you taking the piss?...cause if not you should really re-read the post I made. Here I'll quote the important bit you missed again.



No where did I say the person was RIGHT in linking the charity with support of the wars, all I said, repeatedly, was that race shouldn't be an issue here.

Your right in what you are saying but race is an issue here, young muslims are into this "islamic terrorist" pish, they obviously dont give a fuck about h4h and this gezzer has had right good old laugh now tellin his mates all about what he did to a feckin women, do you reckon he would have tried it on with a 15st bloke? na i wouldn't think so.

 

[Nex]

So in your thinking if,a bunch of cops seen a supporter of islamic terrorism having the shit kicked out of him,they could withdraw there services as they feel that is appropriate if they believe the "doin" to be perfectly fine as it is there beliefs.

Holy shit,who is taking the piss now.

Dont dig too deep,youll be in for the night.

Shadon while a member of staff in a shop is allowed to refuse service for ANY reason, I don't remember police being allowed to let crimes go for ANY reason.

You guys sure seem to be good at making up examples that have no relation to the point.

Your right in what you are saying but race is an issue here, young muslims are into this "islamic terrorist" pish, they obviously dont give a fuck about h4h and this gezzer has had right good old laugh now tellin his mates all about what he did to a feckin women, do you reckon he would have tried it on with a 15st bloke? na i wouldn't think so.

How do you know?
Can you prove that ALL young muslims are like this?
Also the article said he was ASIAN, not muslim.

 

[Forzahibs]

Nice personal attack to get things started on top form as usual egb.



The only "sorts of people" who would have done this would be ANYONE who was so strongly opposed to the wars that they felt they should not provide a service to someone who supported it.
I assure you there are bound to be a lot more than "two sorts" of them.

If the charity was buying guns and bombs i could see his point but its not

 

[Kurt]

We'll all end up in overalls so as not to offend each other at this rate.

 

[egb_hibs]

Nice personal attack to get things started on top form as usual egb.

It's not an attack; i'm not calling you names. I am making a serious observation - I couldn't in fact be more serious Nex. I'll put it to you straight; you are disconnected from reality if you think race is not a material element in this account.

In a country where employees are barred from wearing a little cross round their neck, here we have a manager capitulating to some snotty little fecker challenging a charity support britain's soldiers. This chimes with a larger collapse in cultural confidence, a far wider retreat.

And it is one that is facilitated by the mindset that won't let us consider reality.

 

[Nex]

If the charity was buying guns and bombs i could see his point but its not

Yes Forza...which is why I said the person was MISTAKEN for linking the charity with support of the wars, but not wrong for how they reacted AFTER making that mistake.


ebg, stop looking for race issue where there aren't any mate, and also read the fucking article before making comments.

here we have a manager capitulating to some snotty little fecker challenging a charity support britain's soldiers.

No he was challenging someones support of the wars, he however was MISTAKEN about that person, who infact did not support the war but only supported a charity related to service men and women.

The guy at the tills reaction was valid, the action he took was within the rules of pretty much every shop in existence...the only problem here was that the muppet made a mistake in thinking the woman supported the wars.

 

[shandongreen]

Shadon while a member of staff in a shop is allowed to refuse service for ANY reason, I don't remember police being allowed to let crimes go for ANY reason.

You guys sure seem to be good at making up examples that have no relation to the point.



How do you know?
Can you prove that ALL young muslims are like this?
Also the article said he was ASIAN, not muslim.

I dont,and sorry i never said ALL,DONT TWIST IT. Thats why its my example ,and not relevant to your point ,as you have made sure that no relevance is attached to anything ,in all your posts..Ditto

 

[Nex]

I dont,and sorry i never said ALL,DONT TWIST IT. Thats why its my example ,and not relevant to your point ,as you have made sure that no relevance is attached to anything ,in all your posts..Ditto

Shadon you seem to have missed the fact that those points were in reference to the second quote. I quoted yourself, made my comment on that quote, then I quoted Colchester Hibs, and those last 3 lines were directed at him.
...some of you guys really aren't reading a single post on this thread, just skimming and hammering out a reply based on what you think you read.

 

[Colchester Hibs]

Shadon while a member of staff in a shop is allowed to refuse service for ANY reason, I don't remember police being allowed to let crimes go for ANY reason.

You guys sure seem to be good at making up examples that have no relation to the point.



How do you know?
Can you prove that ALL young muslims are like this?
Also the article said he was ASIAN, not muslim.

I would be wrong to think that the lad was probably muslim but he probably is and i would be wrong to think all young muslims are into "islamic terrorisim" BUT there is enough to make me feckin worry. On a recent tour of afghan, others and myself heared a " foreign fighter " fighting for the taliban with a brummy accent on icom chatter talkin pish to us on how we are infadels and so on, nothin a 500lb couldn't sort out though!:smug:

 

[egb_hibs]

ebg, stop looking for race issue where there aren't any mate, and also read the fucking article before making comments.

crazy. The fella's race is relevant because if he is asian there is a fair chance he is muslim (the people involved would have not been able to ask him to confirm that don't you think?), which given the social context sets this story up in a very particular way and being a microcosmic example of wider things.

You cannot honestly deny that, surely?

No he was challenging someones support of the wars, he however was MISTAKEN about that person, who infact did not support the war but only supported a charity related to service men and women.

The guy at the tills reaction was valid, the action he took was within the rules of pretty much every shop in existence...the only problem here was that the muppet made a mistake in thinking the woman supported the wars.

A few interesting points; a shop is entitled to deny service for any reason is it? They must be unique then; because other businesses have been forced by the force of the law to serve people they didn't want to; guest houses that didn't want to facilitate gay sex for example. Are you really sure shops have this carte blanche?

In any case the guy at the till's reaction was not valid; it's not up to some little arse behind a till to decide that someone who supports a war that the country is involved in is not to be served. He doesn't set Asda's policy; not that they would be able to do this either.

 

[Nex]

Well I understand where you're coming from then Colchester, and can see that you know you were generalising and could be wrong.

At least you had the decency to read my points and seemed to understand what I was on about.
:mrgreen:


To the rest all I'm saying is that from the information given in that article, which is all we have to go on,all you can see is that the guy saw the bands, incorrectly thought the bands ment the woman supported the wars, and he felt strong enough in his opposition to the wars to refuse the woman service.


So no egb, I cannot deny that the person MIGHT have been a muslim, I cannont deny that the person MIGHT have reacted because he was infact a racist, but you cannot deny that the only information we have to go on is what was said in the article and anything else is just an assumption.

There is a big difference between putting up a sign that says "no gays allowed" and refusing to sell goods to someone because (all be it only due to the staff members mistake) they have caused offence.

Egb go into a shop some time and ask the staff if the HAVE to serve you. Ask them if they MUST take your money.
Because they don't, and no company who runs shops will have in its rules anywhere "you must accept a customer's business."
Infact you'll probably find the opposite, which is as I've been saying, they are allowed to refuse service to anyone, though probably they will be asked to explain why to their supervisor/manager, at which point if it does seem that the person is holding unfair opinions action would be taken.

If going by the facts that are placed infront of me (in this case the article, though I use the word "facts" VERY loosely) rather than making assumptions means I am someone with no grip on reality then I am proud to have no grip on reality.
:mrgreen: