Ifield Hibee
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VAR Vote
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The quicker it comes in the quicker the bigots start getting more decisions. I do not think for 1 secondc that this will help anyone but the bigots. Maybe in games where there are no bigots it might even things up, but depends on how the results will affect the outcome of any bigots. Esp cup gamesTo be in place after the World Cup
Why the big rush to bring it in mid-way through the season?
Don’t want it for many reasons but to have it in operation for only half a season seems mental.
Ifield Hibee
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I’m afraid I think you are correct.
It might help on offside decisions but it’ll no help the majority of clubs on penalties or red cards.
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Yep totally agree. Was all for it initially but it'll just be used as a tool to give rantic even more decisions.
Hibee Kev
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Yep. I can almost guarantee this will translate into more points gained for the bigot bros against non-BB teams. We shall see at the end of next season.
It’s being brought in to correct the tiny number of wrong decisions that negatively affect the old firm. It’s definitely not being brought in to correct the much larger number of wrong decisions which positively impact them.
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Isn't it a pity that something designed to cut out cheating and ensure fair play will end up being used as a tool by just another corrupt official to help the bigot brothers. Sad really.
Greenmachine
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Don't like it, but it's heading our way.
Keithd1875
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We VAR the peepul
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That's it in a nutshell.
Nothing at all wrong with VAR if used properly.
It's having the likes of Brother Beaton deciding which issues have to be referred that turns it into shit in Scotland.
Bit like Sportscene analysis. In theory it's a good idea to have the pundits talk about the 'talking points' but as has been admitted by Richard Gordon, it's these same pundits who decide which issues to discuss, and so can target Porto but ignore similar tackles from the The Hun players.
Therefore Porto is only player with 'rash tackles' in Scotland, and Boyler was a the only player who fell over too easily.
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Probably buying the gear second hand off QatarTo be in place after the World Cup
Why the big rush to bring it in mid-way through the season?
Don’t want it for many reasons but to have it in operation for only half a season seems mental.
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The company running VAR is Hawkeye, the same crew that does the tennis. The operator’s job is to alert the match officials if a possible infringement has been missed or a decision needs reviewed. The VAR operators will be of the utmost integrity (I know ‘cos I applied for a job). Where it’ll fall down is that it’s the same useless referees who, after taking advice and viewing the incident concerned, makes the final decision.
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The only difference with VAR , decisions, wrong ones will be open for everyone to see how corrupt and bias Scottish reff's are . No longer can officials claim they missed a tackle. off side , penalty etc . And with VAR pundits will not be able to pick , the Monday show on Sky with Dermot Gallagher will be able to highlight wrong doing and have evidence to form a pattern ?
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Totally against it, for one simple reason, and will remain so unless it’s resolved:
Any technology that leads us down the road of deeming goals offside by half a boot or three inches of sleeve in the buildup can fuck off, as far as I’m concerned.
Any technology that leads us down the road of deeming goals offside by half a boot or three inches of sleeve in the buildup can fuck off, as far as I’m concerned.
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Hibee Kev
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Also don’t want it for this pish of celebrating goals twice. Said it before but but a goal isn’t a goal anymore, what you often get is a period of uncertainty after which a goal may or may not be awarded. Takes away what’s great about fitba - the payoff money shot moment.
Imagine the 2016 cup final goals being subject to VAR? Stokesy’s 2nd would probably have been chalked off!
Imagine the 2016 cup final goals being subject to VAR? Stokesy’s 2nd would probably have been chalked off!
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I'm all for it. The amount of paranoia on here is mental. The refs are gonna be under more scrutiny and let's be honest they will wanna do there jobs right and be picked for finals, champions league and World cups.
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I read that they're not as high up in the eligibility pool because we don't have it.
But who will they be under scrutiny by? Bigot media?
It may help in the other games, but don't kid yourself on that we'll have a level playing field against the bigots.
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Fifa refereeing department and Fifa refereeing assistance programme.
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The Scottish Professional Football League can today confirm that there will be a vote on Tuesday 19 April on whether to introduce VAR to the cinch Premiership.
The SPFL has this afternoon circulated a resolution to all 42 member clubs, who will be asked to vote on its introduction at the SPFL General Meeting on that date.
The resolution requires 75% of cinch Premiership clubs, 75% of clubs in the cinch Championship and 75% of clubs in cinch Leagues 1 and 2 combined to vote in favour.
If the resolution is passed, the target implementation date for VAR will be following conclusion of the Qatar World Cup 2022, which takes place between 21 November and 18 December this year.
Hibernian FC strongly supports the introduction of VAR in the Scottish game.
The SPFL has this afternoon circulated a resolution to all 42 member clubs, who will be asked to vote on its introduction at the SPFL General Meeting on that date.
The resolution requires 75% of cinch Premiership clubs, 75% of clubs in the cinch Championship and 75% of clubs in cinch Leagues 1 and 2 combined to vote in favour.
If the resolution is passed, the target implementation date for VAR will be following conclusion of the Qatar World Cup 2022, which takes place between 21 November and 18 December this year.
Hibernian FC strongly supports the introduction of VAR in the Scottish game.
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Bizzare thing is when it's getting installed. Would have thought with vote this early get it in at the end of the season.
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That's my issue with it too. Taking a second to look at linesman's flag is bad enough, couldn't be doing with the delayed reaction waiting to see if VAR called in.
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You call it paranoia I call it corruption
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So you're sayin there's loads of corruption on here, eh?You call it paranoia I call it corruption
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Of course we do, in theory it's for the betterment of the game.
Decisions against us, that were clearly wrong, should get righted there and then and they might well get corrected at the time.
But decisions that are 50/50 will always, always go in favour of a certain 2 clubs.
Score against them from and it'll be scrutinised to the highest degree. Any random push or tug will be called up.
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Yi wid think so eh? There will be a few midweek games tae make up for the World Cup break. Nae idea of the cost involved or who pays for it. Im guessing it’s only premier teams grounds and will only be used in league games.
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I'm glad the cost of this is now being debated on this thread...it's gong to be very expensive to install all this.
How many clubs in Scotland's top flight are going to be able to acquire this new technology ?
So many clubs in Scotland are toiling financially after Covid.
Is it really going to be worth all the expense ?
How many clubs in Scotland's top flight are going to be able to acquire this new technology ?
So many clubs in Scotland are toiling financially after Covid.
Is it really going to be worth all the expense ?
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We should have had goal line technology years ago.Not seen any mention of goal line technology? Surely they wouldn’t be introducing one without the other?
I would support that on it's own 100%...but not VAR which is just going to create far more problems than it solves as we have seen already in other countries.
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Not seen any mention of goal line technology? Surely they wouldn’t be introducing one without the other?
Aren't goal line goals checked through VAR now anyway?
Hibee Kev
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Not sure on that, think the goal line tech in the EPL was initially done via Hawkeye where you got the replays similar to Wimbledon, and the ref would get a beep on his watch to alert him of a goal. Fully in favour of that, sure we can all think of some incidents where we would've benefited from this in the past.
Edit: I think they are still separate and in the EPL it is still Hawkeye. There have been incidents in other leagues where VAR has actually overruled the goal line tech.
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Where do you draw the line though? Three feet offside/three cm offside - both are offside. Not easy to make a decision if the rule is "it's ok to be a little bit offside, but not too much"
IMO if it's too close to call by the naked eye then it's not offside but that still leaves it open to interpretation/bias/cheating/incompetence etc etc.
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If they changed the offside rule to "feet only" then that would help. Then they only have to be concerned about the attackers foot/feet ahead of the defender. Fine margins which work well in rugby...foot so much as touches the sideline then the ball is out. Never a controversy.
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Aye I'd imagine so and also be used at Hampden for semis and finals also Scotland games.
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Pretty much as you say -- too close to call by the naked eye, not offside. And yes, this leaves room for grey areas, but I'd rather that than perfectly good (and sometimes great, let's not forget) goals being chalked off for a shoulder being slightly ahead of a full-back's arse over the other side of the pitch.
Another one that bugs me is when a forward anticipates a team-mate's ball, so has already shifted his weight, as often happens with those lovely reverse balls that get everyone off their seat. But with VAR, his feet can be bang in line with the last defender, but now some part of his upper torso is in front, so -- chalked off. That's not in the "spirit of the game", so to speak, in my opinion.
Furthermore, on the interpretation point -- I dunno about you, but when they shift those wee dotted lines around, based on a still which is itself an interpretation of the precise moment at which the ball was played, and then try and line up things at an angle in the air (ie, not a foot actually touching a line, for example), then there's a large element of interpretation there, too, no? I think the idea that VAR offsides are 100% empirically conclusive is not actually true.
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What happened to benefit going to the attacker?
Was that a real thing or just something we were told once upon a time.
Also, isn't VAR for clear and obvious errors, therefor a 3cm offside with someone's big toe being over the line isn't clear and obvious?
Was that a real thing or just something we were told once upon a time.
Also, isn't VAR for clear and obvious errors, therefor a 3cm offside with someone's big toe being over the line isn't clear and obvious?