Truly appalling glimpse into Blair / Brown relationship

[egb_hibs]

This is just frightening and very very sad;

Andrew Ransley; " Yes, some of the stories of total paranoia. I uncovered a story which was both deeply heartbreaking and profoundly shocking: after the death of Brown's baby daughter, Jennifer, Tony Blair goes to the funeral and he and Brown are quite warm together, and they, for a brief moment, recapture some of the old closeness they'd once had. Then the Browns come back to Downing Street after mourning their lost child and things get really much worse. One reason they get worse is because of the living arrangements in Downing Street, which meant little Leo's pram would be visible to the Browns, parked outside the Prime Minister's flat door on Downing Street. Gordon Brown became convinced, and I have this from enough sources to be sure that it is true, that the Blairs were doing this to him deliberately, to remind him that they had what he'd lost which is extraordinary. It might very well have been insensitive of them, but I've found no evidence that they'd done this with malicious intent.

That level of paranoia is absolutely extraordinary, and I was told by someone I absolutely trust a member of the Cabinet that he was still going on about this, "the Blairs being so cruel to me", as he put it, five years afterwards."

It's abysmal that this opera has been at the heart of government for years.

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[Brainwrong]

Eastender-core. Just like everything else in the media.

Yours,
Charlie B.

 

[CFCabbage]

egb, can you shed some more light on the nature of their relationship, also regarding idealogical differences etc.

 

[gun ainm]

egb, can you shed some more light on the nature of their relationship, also regarding idealogical differences etc.

assuming you're happy for anyone to shine a light..... their relationship can be characterised as one of mutual manual stimulation: gordon pops his eye out and acts like a complete cocksocket when ever tony wants to skull f*ck him, Tony meanwhile reciprocates and smears lemon curd over his genitals - the citrus sting inside his head excites gordon more than anything else, and makes him feel alive.

oh and i've heard that from enough (unnamed) sources to know its true - even from one person very close to them whom I completely trust and wouldn't tell me little porkie pies. Plus i have no incentive to make things up now do I - I just want the world to know the truth :rodpetrie:

 

[Keepitgreen]

I always liked the idea that the two most powerful men in government liked to stand their ground on issues and didn't just kiss, cuddle and fuck the country.

'Call me Dave' and Tory-boy will do plenty of that I'm sure.

 

[egb_hibs]

assuming you're happy for anyone to shine a light..... their relationship can be characterised as one of mutual manual stimulation: gordon pops his eye out and acts like a complete cocksocket when ever tony wants to skull f*ck him, Tony meanwhile reciprocates and smears lemon curd over his genitals - the citrus sting inside his head excites gordon more than anything else, and makes him feel alive.

oh and i've heard that from enough (unnamed) sources to know its true - even from one person very close to them whom I completely trust and wouldn't tell me little porkie pies. Plus i have no incentive to make things up now do I - I just want the world to know the truth :rodpetrie:

What are you saying GA; do you reckon he's making it up?

Valid points about the press notwithstanding, I think it's possible to go the other way, and just dismiss anything and everything, even where there are good and rather obvious reasons for sources to remain anonymous.

 

[egb_hibs]

egb, can you shed some more light on the nature of their relationship, also regarding idealogical differences etc.

I think it's an interesting question as too how much ideological difference was left in the end, versus simply blocking and thwarting for reasons rooted in their relationship.

I think the NuLabour story is like a Greek tragedy, or something out of Shakespeare, in the sense of the extent to which it has been defined by personality flaws, ambition and relationships.

Brown especially, is a character who could have sprang straight from some tragic play.

 

[Doc Shrink]

assuming you're happy for anyone to shine a light..... their relationship can be characterised as one of mutual manual stimulation: gordon pops his eye out and acts like a complete cocksocket when ever tony wants to skull f*ck him, Tony meanwhile reciprocates and smears lemon curd over his genitals - the citrus sting inside his head excites gordon more than anything else, and makes him feel alive.

:shrink84:



An image that may haunt me for the rest of my life...........

 

[egb_hibs]

I always liked the idea that the two most powerful men in government liked to stand their ground on issues and didn't just kiss, cuddle and fuck the country.

'Call me Dave' and Tory-boy will do plenty of that I'm sure.

I'm not sure that's what's happened versus spoiling for the sake of it.

 

[gun ainm]

What are you saying GA; do you reckon he's making it up?

Valid points about the press notwithstanding, I think it's possible to go the other way, and just dismiss anything and everything, even where there are good and rather obvious reasons for sources to remain anonymous.

just that i am a little tired of all those folk that offer us a 'unique' insight into the personalities and lifestyles of politicians and other public figures - and I speak more generally than with regard to the specific piece you mention.

Thats a deeply sad little piece you provided us with if its true but in all honesty its none of my business if it is, and to use it as a stick to hit Brown over the head with (as the original author appears to do) makes you question the motivation for its reporting in the first instance. There is as i pointed out no substantiation, if it was important to govt someone would put there head above the parapet

 

[egb_hibs]

just that i am a little tired of all those folk that offer us a 'unique' insight into the personalities and lifestyles of politicians and other public figures - and I speak more generally than with regard to the specific piece you mention.

Thats a deeply sad little piece you provided us with if its true but in all honesty its none of my business if it is, and to use it as a stick to hit Brown over the head with (as the original author appears to do) makes you question the motivation for its reporting in the first instance. There is as i pointed out no substantiation, if it was important to govt someone would put there head above the parapit

I partially agree; it instinctively feels like a violation of privacy.

However, OTOH, it speaks of a dangerous level of paranoia on the part of someone running the country and / or are spectacular level of dysfunction between the top two men. It could be argued that this is very much in the public interest, not least because many people charge that brown's embattled psyche will see him doing anything to retain power, whatever the consequences for the nation.

 

[gun ainm]

I partially agree; it instinctively feels like a violation of privacy.

However, OTOH, it speaks of a dangerous level of paranoia on the part of someone running the country and / or are spectacular level of dysfunction between the top two men. It could be argued that this is very much in the public interest, not least because many people charge that brown's embattled psyche will see him doing anything to retain power, whatever the consequences for the nation.

if it really is the case (and I'd question if it is in the national interest) then someone shoukd come out and say it with first hand eveidence - on another thread you discuss the parallels with greek tragedy that are labour politics at present - you dont think the knife wielders would be shy about spreading rumour, gossip and defaming their leader as they manouever for power - their too scared to do it infront of the cameras and can you imagine how ridiculous a hoon or someone would look holding a press conference to announce what has been said on this? instead they skulk and snipe, shadowy figures with very questionable motives (either that or the jourbno is making it all up)

who knows if it is the truth or not, its tasteless and cowardly and for those reasons M dude - i am out

 

[egb_hibs]

if it really is the case (and I'd question if it is in the national interest) then someone shoukd come out and say it with first hand eveidence - on another thread you discuss the parallels with greek tragedy that are labour politics at present - you dont think the knife wielders would be shy about spreading rumour, gossip and defaming their leader as they manouever for power - their too scared to do it infront of the cameras and can you imagine how ridiculous a hoon or someone would look holding a press conference to announce what has been said on this? instead they skulk and snipe, shadowy figures with very questionable motives (either that or the jourbno is making it all up)

who knows if it is the truth or not, its tasteless and cowardly and for those reasons M dude - i am out

I don't disagree; but again there is a flipside. Brown especially is purported to have turned the PLP into a place dominated by fear, and marshalled by his thuggish enforcers. Careers have been ruined and independent thought crushed, throughout his tenure.

 

[gun ainm]

I don't disagree; but again there is a flipside. Brown especially is purported to have turned the PLP into a place dominated by fear, and marshalled by his thuggish enforcers. Careers have been ruined and independent thought crushed, throughout his tenure.

oh I hold no illusions about the nature of Brown's governement (nor the governments before him) - if this is unique to Brown (which i doubt) then surely someone from the parliamentary Labour party would come out and say so directly? if not why not?

 

[egb_hibs]

oh I hold no illusions about the nature of Brown's governement (nor the governments before him) - if this is unique to Brown (which i doubt) then surely someone from the parliamentary Labour party would come out and say so directly? if not why not?

I expect it has reached a new height under brown. why don't they come out and say it? shit scared presumably.

people have been quoted about his psychological issues (alleged) in the past.

 

[gun ainm]

I expect it has reached a new height under brown. why don't they come out and say it? shit scared presumably.

people have been quoted about his psychological issues (alleged) in the past.

if their careers have been ruined by browns overbearing style and the whole party lives in fear marshalled by thuggish enforcers then what have they possibly got to be scared off? excommunication from the labour party? no longer being part of the gang? its hardly going to see them in purgatory for 1000s of years!

if so allured by the position in governement and parliamentthat they are willing to give up (seemingly) all semblance of independent thought and free will and become craven to the great leader's whims then they deserve everything they get - i'm not buying this bogeyman depiction though

 

[egb_hibs]

if their careers have been ruined by browns overbearing style and the whole party lives in fear marshalled by thuggish enforcers then what have they possibly got to be scared off? excommunication from the labour party? no longer being part of the gang? its hardly going to see them in purgatory for 1000s of years!

if so allured by the position in governement and parliamentthat they are willing to give up (seemingly) all semblance of independent thought and free will and become craven to the great leader's whims then they deserve everything they get - i'm not buying this bogeyman depiction though

that assumes that the things deployed against them make the end of a political career their worst fear.

 

[ZemmamasBarnet]

is there the slimmest chance that they're just a couple of bitches and need to nut up?
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