Tony Blair

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I was reading this article on the post Southport tensions and the bigger picture of Britain’s challenges. It implies optimistic futures (relative to the alternatives) which hadn’t really occurred to me, namely an authoritarian society in the model of Singapore rather than some fascist or communist style set up.


(Aside; the article references all this don’t look back in anger stuff Jimmy got a bit caught up in. I’m not sure I trust the Qatari media that is referenced but tbf they do name names and specifics. And it’s not really controversial or implausible stuff).

But what I found most interesting is that Tony Blair - in many ways the architect of these challenges with his government’s intentional aim to remake British society and stick it to the old labour gammons - has come to recognise his mistakes. According to this article he now rejects multi culturalism and is himself a big fan boi of Singapore’s jeffe (not his most offensive political buddy by a long chalk either).

The click thrus took me to the bold Tony, here:

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Which is an except from his full tribute here (not watched yet):

Tony Blair - Constraints on a PM, Lee Kuan Yew, Deep State, & AI's 1914 Moment


It got me to wondering whether Blair has simply woken up to the society-destroying cretinism of 90s / 00s progressivism and is now moving towards the options that mess now presents us with, or whether this has kinda been his roadmap all along. I mean as they were doing it I was musing how their form of ‘liberalism’ and the 50 to 100 year problems it was creating, necessitate authoritarianism as a follow up. Whatever else he is he is a cunning old fox - did he really not see it? That said, a bit conspiratorial for my blood and I expect it’s the former; cunning or not he seems to me to have been a genuine progressive, and guided by its innate silliness. I also suspect he thinks we can be like Singapore without being like Singapore - because that’s the kind of addled thing that silliness entertains.

In any case, @Smurf and any other remaining fans, where do you stand on the man now, and his ‘journey’?
 
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TFR in Singapore is less than 1. Eek.
Cripes I didn't know that.

Oh well, they're doomed.

Edit - or maybe not. The Malay (which i suspect substantially corrsponds to Muslim) rate is more than double the Chinese one and 80% more than the Indian one. So they'll probably just change quite quickly into a more modern country as westernised demos fade away. Is there anything that carries the Blair stamp of approval that isn't quickly destined to collapse?
 
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I was reading this article on the post Southport tensions and the bigger picture of Britain’s challenges. It implies optimistic futures (relative to the alternatives) which hadn’t really occurred to me, namely an authoritarian society in the model of Singapore rather than some fascist or communist style set up.


(Aside; the article references all this don’t look back in anger stuff Jimmy got a bit caught up in. I’m not sure I trust the Qatari media that is referenced but tbf they do name names and specifics. And it’s not really controversial or implausible stuff).

But what I found most interesting is that Tony Blair - in many ways the architect of these challenges with his government’s intentional aim to remake British society and stick it to the old labour gammons - has come to recognise his mistakes. According to this article he now rejects multi culturalism and is himself a big fan boi of Singapore’s jeffe (not his most offensive political buddy by a long chalk either).

The click thrus took me to the bold Tony, here:

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Which is an except from his full tribute here (not watched yet):

Tony Blair - Constraints on a PM, Lee Kuan Yew, Deep State, & AI's 1914 Moment


It got me to wondering whether Blair has simply woken up to the society-destroying cretinism of 90s / 00s progressivism and is now moving towards the options that mess now presents us with, or whether this has kinda been his roadmap all along. I mean as they were doing it I was musing how their form of ‘liberalism’ and the 50 to 100 year problems it was creating, necessitate authoritarianism as a follow up. Whatever else he is he is a cunning old fox - did he really not see it? That said, a bit conspiratorial for my blood and I expect it’s the former; cunning or not he seems to me to have been a genuine progressive, and guided by its innate silliness. I also suspect he thinks we can be like Singapore without being like Singapore - because that’s the kind of addled thing that silliness entertains.

In any case, @Smurf and any other remaining fans, where do you stand on the man now, and his ‘journey’?

I think Blair is fundamentally a decent sort. He's really not party political though. I think he'd probably have been as comfortable as a one nation Tory as he was as Labour. I suspect it was only through his wife Cherie that he became Labour. And of course thanks to his wife he's converted to Catholicism...

Although not party political he's very political. And he was probably the most charismatic political leader we've ever had in the UK. His deal for the Labour leadership with Gordon Brown meant he pretty much handed over the domestic agenda to the Treasury in the first term 1997 - 2001. I think when the crowds were chanting his name in Kosova the hubris began to kick in (much much earlier than is the norm for any PM) and he seized upon 9/11 (following another landslide victory) as to be the conduit between the USA and the rest of the world.

At the same time New Labour really did become New Labour with radical policies on health, education, welfare etc much to the opposition of Gordon Brown who was agitating for him to GTF.

His hubris though led to his downfall as Iraq was a monumental error. I am convinced though he believed (as did many) that Iraq had WMD and that it was right and proper that the UK was with the USA on what he thought was the right side of history....

Since leaving office (ejected by Gordon Brown) I think he's struggled to find any purpose or role for himself though it has to be said his institute is doing some great work. FWIW his institute is very interesting on AI and its opportunities. I'd recommend their video's on YouTube.
 
I think Blair is fundamentally a decent sort. He's really not party political though. I think he'd probably have been as comfortable as a one nation Tory as he was as Labour. I suspect it was only through his wife Cherie that he became Labour. And of course thanks to his wife he's converted to Catholicism...
Don’t get me started on that !
Although not party political he's very political. And he was probably the most charismatic political leader we've ever had in the UK. His deal for the Labour leadership with Gordon Brown meant he pretty much handed over the domestic agenda to the Treasury in the first term 1997 - 2001. I think when the crowds were chanting his name in Kosova the hubris began to kick in (much much earlier than is the norm for any PM) and he seized upon 9/11 (following another landslide victory) as to be the conduit between the USA and the rest of the world.
The charisma thing always baffled me. He has the rictus-grinned smarm of Tony Blackburn without it reaching to his eyes like Tony. He had the same obviously manipulative and creepy af air as Bill Clinton. I think I’ve mentioned before I’ve been in the same room as the latter and couldn’t believe how he had folk eating out of his hand while I felt like I needed a shower having been in his presence. Maybe I don’t ‘do’ demagogues. I don’t think he is one - though Clinton might be - but they remind me of the character profiles that form the basis of psychopathy.
At the same time New Labour really did become New Labour with radical policies on health, education, welfare etc much to the opposition of Gordon Brown who was agitating for him to GTF.

His hubris though led to his downfall as Iraq was a monumental error. I am convinced though he believed (as did many) that Iraq had WMD and that it was right and proper that the UK was with the USA on what he thought was the right side of history....

Since leaving office (ejected by Gordon Brown) I think he's struggled to find any purpose or role for himself though it has to be said his institute is doing some great work. FWIW his institute is very interesting on AI and its opportunities. I'd recommend their video's on YouTube.
I think he was a political genius. He transformed British politics along the lines the American democrats had been working on for decades, arguably accelerating past them for a while in his synthesis of globalism and extremist progressivism. If Britain ever does fracture into full on sectarian politics or even conflict, no individual will be able to claim as much credit. A truly disastrous period in not just British but western history.

Some of what he has done since leaving office beggars belief.