SNP plan reparation for travellers

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Wishbone

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Saw front page headlines for an article in the EEN today where the SNP aim to pay reparation to gypsies/travellers/diddiecoys (take your pick) for the poor treatment they received including circa 1946 when they were housed in old army barracks. I thought I'd start things off with a Bounce collection for this worthy cause and I will start the ball rolling with a donation of Fcuk All. :9:
 
Wishbone said:
Saw front page headlines for an article in the EEN today where the SNP aim to pay reparation to gypsies/travellers/diddiecoys (take your pick) for the poor treatment they received including circa 1946 when they were housed in old army barracks. I thought I'd start things off with a Bounce collection for this worthy cause and I will start the ball rolling with a donation of Fcuk All. :9:
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I’ll match your generous donation. It can go towards cleaning up the mess they leave behind.
 
Wishbone said:
Saw front page headlines for an article in the EEN today where the SNP aim to pay reparation to gypsies/travellers/diddiecoys (take your pick) for the poor treatment they received including circa 1946 when they were housed in old army barracks. I thought I'd start things off with a Bounce collection for this worthy cause and I will start the ball rolling with a donation of Fcuk All. :9:
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I would like to contribute a sweet to go with your fuck all
 
I worked in a area that sort of touched on the health and wellbeing of the travelling community. They are generally an unhealthy lot with shockingly poor life expectancy.

It was all about setting targets for providing them with decent pitches in their own sites in each council area. They would have access to healthcare and schooling for the kids etc. Not every council was on board but that's to be expected - with everything council touch 😆

Nice toilet blocks, this that and the other.

I'm all for that.

After the first visits the places were wrecked, plumbing and associated furniture smashed or stolen. Place left a disgusting mess. A bloody shame.

With the mess they make and the wanton destruction they leave behind I'm afraid I've lost any sympathy I had for them at one time.

If the Scottish Government has money they should wave it in front of them and say 'Here's what you could have had but we need to spend it on the damage you've caused around the countryside.'
 
Scotland's "Tinker Experiment" broke families apart. For decades, Gypsy and Traveller families were forced off the roads under threat of having their children taken away. Folk were crammed into freezing, overcrowded nissan huts —only for authorities to use those exact state-imposed conditions as an excuse to rip their children away anyway. Just because they disapproved of the culture of travelling and the freedom of people to chose that. Imo that's a basic human right and an injustice, I don't know what appropriate compensation would or should be but that injustice should be recognised.
 
Jack said:
I worked in a area that sort of touched on the health and wellbeing of the travelling community. They are generally an unhealthy lot with shockingly poor life expectancy.

It was all about setting targets for providing them with decent pitches in their own sites in each council area. They would have access to healthcare and schooling for the kids etc. Not every council was on board but that's to be expected - with everything council touch 😆

Nice toilet blocks, this that and the other.

I'm all for that.

After the first visits the places were wrecked, plumbing and associated furniture smashed or stolen. Place left a disgusting mess. A bloody shame.

With the mess they make and the wanton destruction they leave behind I'm afraid I've lost any sympathy I had for them at one time.

If the Scottish Government has money they should wave it in front of them and say 'Here's what you could have had but we need to spend it on the damage you've caused around the countryside.'
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Did anyone actually codesign solutions to the problems which travellers undoubtedly face? Although no doubt well intentioned this was really part of wider forced assimilation and persecution by the state
 
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They have visited heriot watt research park 3 times in the last few years. The domestic staff at my organisation fair enjoyed cleaning up their faeces. That's all the faeces they left everywhere in the open bike "shed", which they decided was a suitable place.
 
gun ainm said:
Did anyone actually codesign solutions to the problems which travellers undoubtedly face? Although no doubt well intentioned this was really part of wider forced assimilation and persecution by the state
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They were heavily involved throughout when I was involved.
 
Wishbone said:
Gun ainm
You talk about what they should get.

I ask what do they give?
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I'm taking about folk being forced to give up their kids to care and stop their traditional and chosen way of life (travelling - I'm not defending some behaviours). To me that's not something anyone should expect of the state and that principle shouldn't only be for those who some worthies consider who is valuable and who is not. I do believe in a social contract model between state and citizens but not one of coercion. This reminds me very much in tone of legacy (and potentially current I'm not close enough to it to know) issues with indigenous people's in Canada, Australia and elsewhere. Are folk really saying that travellers should have no rights?
 
Jack said:
They were heavily involved throughout when I was involved.
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In what way? Are you saying that these same people who were 'involved' were then the same individuals who wrecked those same sites? I'm not in anyway saying there's not significant issues within the travelling community by the way. My main point here is that there is a problematic history of state over reach and persecution
 
I’m not a fan of the travelling community I’m afraid. Any dealings I have had with them have been extremely unpleasant.
Let’s say they are not big on morals. Or respect. Or paying tax.
 
gun ainm said:
In what way? Are you saying that these same people who were 'involved' were then the same individuals who wrecked those same sites? I'm not in anyway saying there's not significant issues within the travelling community by the way. My main point here is that there is a problematic history of state over reach and persecution
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There were people from various traveler's groups at the meetings I attended, actual travelers.

I've no idea what they did outside the meetings. They came across as perfectly reasonable.
 
1 Mcnamara said:
I’m not a fan of the travelling community I’m afraid. Any dealings I have had with them have been extremely unpleasant.
Let’s say they are not big on morals. Or respect. Or paying tax.
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Income tax,council tax, road tax. They don't want to be a part of anything but want a share of everything. They choose to live this life but the State that they reject has to subsidise it.
 
Findlayhibby said:
Why am I getting the distinct smell of gas chambers?
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I think thats a stretch Findlay. Reading the posts, folks are stating that, in the main, these people treat the areas they travel to disgracefully, with zero recourse.

Collectively they are a shambles. They have rocked up to where my works HQ is, in each of the last 3 years, and openly defecated in public places, and not just one or two. Im no sure that equates to gas chambers.
 
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