School experiment

If it was so good why dont we have more? Interesting they talk of a lot of kids who made it when they grew up, but I wonder how many failures there was...still it seems a lot of worthwhile ideas to involve all in planning and educating

BBC News - The anarchic experimental schools of the 1970s

there is more to education than kids behind a desk with an adult rambling on about some shit they will never use in the real worls. I think we get it wrong even before the kids are in the school itself.

School buildings should fill kids with awe!

Learning should be fun, fun, fun.
 
barmy progressive ideas in education have done incalculable harm. the irony is that wealthier folk who can pay for an education are in some senses paying to avoid 101 flavours of nonsense and get the kind of approach and environment that state schools would once have had. that other children are captive to the experiments of trendy educationalists and politicised teachers unions is a great shame.

this experiment is obviously an extreme example, and i expect that the results will have been that the capable, well supported kids at the schools will have done okay, while the less fortunate will have left with little. its the usual pattern.
 
barmy progressive ideas in education have done incalculable harm. the irony is that wealthier folk who can pay for an education are in some senses paying to avoid 101 flavours of nonsense and get the kind of approach and environment that state schools would once have had. that other children are captive to the experiments of trendy educationalists and politicised teachers unions is a great shame.

this experiment is obviously an extreme example, and i expect that the results will have been that the capable, well supported kids at the schools will have done okay, while the less fortunate will have left with little. its the usual pattern.

I was thinking exactly that. Successful kids in these situations are the ones most likely to thrive in any situation.

I like the idea of shaking up education, based mostly on my own experiences but eschewing the fundamentals is crazymad.
 
I was thinking exactly that. Successful kids in these situations are the ones most likely to thrive in any situation.

I like the idea of shaking up education, based mostly on my own experiences but eschewing the fundamentals is crazymad.

this is why Goves reforms deserve the support of any right thinking person, allowing as they do for successful innovation to prosper and bonkers stuff to die on the vine.
 
Your English perhaps?

No idea what you mean?

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I'm assuming Davy didn't go to an officially anarchic school.

Nope...and I am putting it out there to see if people think it's a good or bad idea, personally I think learning should be far more than sitting down to books all day.
 
this is why Goves reforms deserve the support of any right thinking person, allowing as they do for successful innovation to prosper and bonkers stuff to die on the vine.

I'm not sure I even vaguely agree with you. But, can you be more specific? I'm not trolling, I'm keeping an open mind because perhaps you're talking about something Gove did that I've not heard / read about.

Here's a typical story from a teacher. Backed up by teacher pals I have in the real word.

How Michael Gove's reforms drove me out of teaching | Education | The Guardian

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Nope...and I am putting it out there to see if people think it's a good or bad idea, personally I think learning should be far more than sitting down to books all day.

Indeed. I think M was implying something nonsensical due to your not having been to one of those schools. I was trying to point that out to him/her. :)
 
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I'm not sure I even vaguely agree with you. But, can you be more specific? I'm not trolling, I'm keeping an open mind because perhaps you're talking about something Gove did that I've not heard / read about.

Here's a typical story from a teacher. Backed up by teacher pals I have in the real word.

I mean the creation of free schools which allows different approaches to be tried, and for the successful and those with appeal to pupils and parents to prosper, versus the latter being captives to politicised unions and doctrinaire approaches.

The curriculum things in the guardian article is a separate question, and one I have less interest in, though I daresay its necessitated by the guardianista grip on the system. You get a sniff of the kind of problems Gove was facing in the article " cannot stand at the front of a classroom and make children chant the works of Keats instilling in them the belief that the only voices worth hearing in our society are those of a dead, white, English, male establishment figure"

This narrow, dogmatic and oh so predictable mindset, has become a large part of the problem through it's pervasiveness. Sadly I suspect government needs to enforce minimum standards when the system is full of pc ideologues who have destroyed social mobility.

This woman, moreover, was not driven from her job, but chose to leave as she didn't like the conditions. By contrast Katherine Birbalsingh who dared, as an ethnic minority woman, to vocally support Gove's agenda, was literally driven and hounded out by the commissars of the education system.

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ps God knows the teaching profession is also full of the most noble contributors in our society; people who must spend as much time acting as social workers or triage nurses as a result of social breakdown.something cultivated by the same people who brought us progressive approaches to education.
 
I mean the creation of free schools which allows different approaches to be tried, and for the successful and those with appeal to pupils and parents to prosper, versus the latter being captives to politicised unions and doctrinaire approaches.

The curriculum things in the guardian article is a separate question, and one I have less interest in, though I daresay its necessitated by the guardianista grip on the system. You get a sniff of the kind of problems Gove was facing in the article " cannot stand at the front of a classroom and make children chant the works of Keats instilling in them the belief that the only voices worth hearing in our society are those of a dead, white, English, male establishment figure"

This narrow, dogmatic and oh so predictable mindset, has become a large part of the problem through it's pervasiveness. Sadly I suspect government needs to enforce minimum standards when the system is full of pc ideologues who have destroyed social mobility.

This woman, moreover, was not driven from her job, but chose to leave as she didn't like the conditions. By contrast Katherine Birbalsingh who dared, as an ethnic minority woman, to vocally support Gove's agenda, was literally driven and hounded out by the commissars of the education system.

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ps God knows the teaching profession is also full of the most noble contributors in our society; people who must spend as much time acting as social workers or triage nurses as a result of social breakdown.something cultivated by the same people who brought us progressive approaches to education.

My point was that this woman was an example of how screwed many teachers feel and felt by Gove's changes and revamps. I wasn't linking her because I agreed with anything she said, merely that it highlighted how poorly teachers are treated, constantly.

I don't know if you know any teachers personally but their workload is bonkers, every single one I know, and Gove's pish or his department or whatever exacerbates it exponentially every year it seems to me.

Hadn't head of Katherine Birbalsingh. Will check that story out.

Teachers have it pish and have to cling to the little victories, from what I can see.

They should be treated better.
 
My point was that this woman was an example of how screwed many teachers feel and felt by Gove's changes and revamps. I wasn't linking her because I agreed with anything she said, merely that it highlighted how poorly teachers are treated, constantly.

I don't know if you know any teachers personally but their workload is bonkers, every single one I know, and Gove's pish or his department or whatever exacerbates it exponentially every year it seems to me.

Hadn't head of Katherine Birbalsingh. Will check that story out.

Teachers have it pish and have to cling to the little victories, from what I can see.

They should be treated better.
the woman in the articles complaints divide into ideological grievances as above, plus workload. Whatever issues exist re the latter is not the reforms I was praising. Box ticking is a disease all over the public sector and should be removed wherever possible.

If teachers could focus on teaching I'm sure their time would be better spent, but they're frontline workers dealing with the products of the Great Leap Forward. Meanwhile they also need to operate the machinery of bureaucracy to ensure schools produce good metrics even as education is debased. It's a shame, but then as above, large parts of the education sector including teachers are the biggest problems of all.

The teaching unions have been despicable in trying to block free schools and with them the promise of education liberated from state ideologues, and from there onward, the promise of social Mobility

Get the state out of the supply side of education - it's the way forward
 
the woman in the articles complaints divide into ideological grievances as above, plus workload. Whatever issues exist re the latter is not the reforms I was praising. Box ticking is a disease all over the public sector and should be removed wherever possible.

If teachers could focus on teaching I'm sure their time would be better spent, but they're frontline workers dealing with the products of the Great Leap Forward. Meanwhile they also need to operate the machinery of bureaucracy to ensure schools produce good metrics even as education is debased. It's a shame, but then as above, large parts of the education sector including teachers are the biggest problems of all.

The teaching unions have been despicable in trying to block free schools and with them the promise of education liberated from state ideologues, and from there onward, the promise of social Mobility

Get the state out of the supply side of education - it's the way forward

I think you're right to an extent re the state. And, that seems to be where most of the issues are coming from anyway. The teachers I know seem to constantly have the goalposts moved. That, on top of the ludicrous workload sends them mostly bonkers, including my bint who was made sick by stress and who's department head has now been off on long term sick for the 3rd year in a row (he comes back, then is off again), maing the whole, already understaffed by 2.5 resources buckle under the stress. But, that seems par for the course in the 5+ teachers I know, one of which being my sister.
 

I'm sure that's already happening up here in nursery schools.

Personally I'd go further and introduce some sort of new subject akin to my rights and responsibilities in society. There's probably something along these lines anyway.

From a NHS perspective, my former area of expertise, this would include teeth brushing as a continuation of the nursery scheme but go on to simple first aid; how and when to engage with the NHS; what and how to keep yourself fit and healthy. These classes could be run along side other social aspects like social services, the police, the council and the like. An hour a week?

Don't worry though my teacher friends I don't see current teachers providing the 'teaching' here but from the agencies themselves.