Reform’s election pledges

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egb_hibs

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gunning for those red wall seats by the looks


  • Nationalise 50% of utilities
  • Raise minimum tax threshold to 20k
  • Cut corporation tax from 25 to 20%
  • Exempt 2m health and social care workers from tax for three years
  • Cut NHS wait times to zero
  • Accelerate oil and gas licensing and green initiatives must pay for themselves
  • Tackle ‘rip off’ university fees and woke indoctrination
  • More visible policing
  • ‘Vastly’ reduced immigration
Easy to put up such a wish list when you’ll never have to deliver against it. Might tighten the squeeze on the Tories though.
 
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egb_hibs said:
gunning for those red wall seats by the looks


  • Nationalise 50% of utilities
  • Raise minimum tax threshold to 20k
  • Cut corporation tax from 25 to 20%
  • Exempt 2m health and social care workers from tax for three years
  • Cut NHS wait times to zero
  • Accelerate oil and gas licensing and green initiatives must pay for themselves
  • Tackle ‘rip off’ university fees and woke indoctrination
  • More visible policy
  • ‘Vastly’ reduced immigration
Easy to put up such a wish list when you’ll never have to deliver against it. Might tighten the squeeze on the Tories though.
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Haha, even they are not dumb enough to put a figure on net immigration figures. What even is 'more visible policy'? Clowns
 
Ps they cite a ‘one in, one out’ migration policy. Good luck with that.
 
I do like the idea of incentivising recruitment and retention in health and care sectors. Stopped clock.
 
gun ainm said:
I do like the idea of incentivising recruitment and retention in health and care sectors. Stopped clock.
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The key is they don't have to give it a bash though. I'm sure labour or tories would like to do it but they might have to follow through!
 
That's true off course, don't suppose they've costed it?🙃

There is something in clear and unambiguous priorities and messaging that Labour in particular could do with pondering. The opposite of this is presumably the technocratic mumbling of Reeves and Starmer....one is not serious, the other is too serious (and being to serious stifles the imagination and imo progress)
 
The coverage the media gives this lot is unreal.

Farage sitting tight waiting on the best moment to confirm he's their new leader....
 
Smurf said:
The coverage the media gives this lot is unreal.

Farage sitting tight waiting on the best moment to confirm he's their new leader....
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GB news are their biggest cheerleaders.
Farage works for them just now, but you are right he is just waiting for the right time for his return.
The Tories are going to lurch to the right after their election defeat and Sunak's departure....he might find a way to snake himself back into their new set-up.
 
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Greenmachine said:
GB news are there biggest cheerleaders.
Farage works for them just now, but you are right he is just waiting for the right time for his return.
The Tories are going to lurch to the right after their election defeat and Sunak's departure....he might find a away to snake himself back into their new set-up.
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You're are absolutely correct.amigo.
Your analylis there is refreshing and more correct than most.
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Smurf said:
The coverage the media gives this lot is unreal.

Farage sitting tight waiting on the best moment to confirm he's their new leader....
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Well polling, corroborated by by election returns, makes them the third most supported party in the UK.
 
gun ainm said:
That's true off course, don't suppose they've costed it?🙃

There is something in clear and unambiguous priorities and messaging that Labour in particular could do with pondering. The opposite of this is presumably the technocratic mumbling of Reeves and Starmer....one is not serious, the other is too serious (and being to serious stifles the imagination and imo progress)
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That’s a fair point. But Labour really are positioning to be in power, and also positioning relative to former leadership who were a bit more wish listy.

I’m going to defend them here, and say it would be completely irresponsible for them to present something like this. I mean Reform are writing cheques they don’t have to cash, and which don’t look cashable. It’s easy to promise appealing things to everyone, and to thus set false expectations that make the main parties look bad.

It’s typical Farage really.
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
You're are absolutely correct.amigo.
Your analylis there is refreshing and more correct than most.
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He’s spot on, stating common sense as ever. The question is, whether conservative right or populist right.

The more interesting question (I think), is why chasing that Reform platform of nationalisation, tax breaks for low income and health workers and labour protectionism, is these days a ‘lurch to the right’.
 
egb_hibs said:
gunning for those red wall seats by the looks


  • Nationalise 50% of utilities
  • Raise minimum tax threshold to 20k
  • Cut corporation tax from 25 to 20%
  • Exempt 2m health and social care workers from tax for three years
  • Cut NHS wait times to zero
  • Accelerate oil and gas licensing and green initiatives must pay for themselves
  • Tackle ‘rip off’ university fees and woke indoctrination
  • More visible policing
  • ‘Vastly’ reduced immigration
Easy to put up such a wish list when you’ll never have to deliver against it. Might tighten the squeeze on the Tories though.
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Cannae see anything wrong with any of that definitely not right wing.
As for delivering it has any party ever delivered there whole manifesto.
 
Last night I read a fairly long interview with Nigel Farage in last week's Sunday Times magazine. Pretty fascinating stuff. I'm in no doubt that Reform is positioning itself as some kind of Momentum group, that what that was, to Labour around 10 years ago. Him and Richard Tice etc are just yet to decide how best to strategise that best way.... And I've concluded...

- They can electorally destroy the Tories by taking a decent % of their vote and splitting further a weak Tory vote giving a huge Labour majority needing a Tory rebuild.

- They're comfortable with a short term Starmer Labour government unlike how they were with a Corbyn Labour government.

- Farage could stand for Reform in say Clacton and as MP be well positioned to defect to the Tories and stand for leadership for an almost wiped out Tory party in the House of Commons.

- Alternatively he joins the Tories after the GE and stands in the first By-election.

- They're confident that despite a huge Labour majority that Labour government will quickly be unpopular with high expectations not met. Starmer is no Blair they calculate and he'll quickly be unpopular.

- The Tories can bounce back quickly with a new brand say 'Reforming Conservatives' and Farage and his Reform lot either in it, positioned to lead it, or actually leading it.

- Tapping into disillusioned Labour voters (especially blue collar northern voters) we will see a raft of populist policies such as Reform announced yesterday.

- At only 59 I reckon he absolutely sees a pathway to 10 Downing Street.
 
Smurf said:
Yeah but they've got that polling IMO because of the disproportionate media coverage.
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Not sure if I agree. I mean I agree insofar as nobody will gain support if people are unaware of them, but that's true of anything.

Both the tories and Labour have their house media so to speak, with partisan broadcasters and newspapers aligned to both parties. How could any change to the status quo happen if alternatives were ignored in addition to these massive advantages of incumbency?

It's no different to the greens or anyone else. And moreover reform is not just media hype its proceeding from decades of UKIP which only latterly got coverage with a lot of spadework done to build support beforehand.
 
Smurf said:
Last night I read a fairly long interview with Nigel Farage in last week's Sunday Times magazine. Pretty fascinating stuff. I'm in no doubt that Reform is positioning itself as some kind of Momentum group, that what that was, to Labour around 10 years ago. Him and Richard Tice etc are just yet to decide how best to strategise that best way.... And I've concluded...

- They can electorally destroy the Tories by taking a decent % of their vote and splitting further a weak Tory vote giving a huge Labour majority needing a Tory rebuild.

- They're comfortable with a short term Starmer Labour government unlike how they were with a Corbyn Labour government.

- Farage could stand for Reform in say Clacton and as MP be well positioned to defect to the Tories and stand for leadership for an almost wiped out Tory party in the House of Commons.

- Alternatively he joins the Tories after the GE and stands in the first By-election.

- They're confident that despite a huge Labour majority that Labour government will quickly be unpopular with high expectations not met. Starmer is no Blair they calculate and he'll quickly be unpopular.

- The Tories can bounce back quickly with a new brand say 'Reforming Conservatives' and Farage and his Reform lot either in it, positioned to lead it, or actually leading it.

- Tapping into disillusioned Labour voters (especially blue collar northern voters) we will see a raft of populist policies such as Reform announced yesterday.

- At only 59 I reckon he absolutely sees a pathway to 10 Downing Street.
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Good analysis. The alternative if more far fetched scenario which tickles me even if unlikely, is that if as election looms, a whole cohort of red wall tory mps defect to keep their seats, which that might well achieve.

The maximum version of this scenario - and even more far fetched - is the destruction of the Tories similar to what the rise of Labour did to the Liberals 100 years or so ago.

I think this is the wildcard option that Farage and Tice will have in their calculations. Tice is pretty open that the Tories deserve to be destroyed.
 
egb_hibs said:
Good analysis. The alternative if more far fetched scenario which tickles me even if unlikely, is that if as election looms, a whole cohort of red wall tory mps defect to keep their seats, which that might well achieve.

The maximum version of this scenario - and even more far fetched - is the destruction of the Tories similar to what the rise of Labour did to the Liberals 100 years or so ago.

I think this is the wildcard option that Farage and Tice will have in their calculations. Tice is pretty open that the Tories deserve to be destroyed.
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Has Farage ever won a domestic election?
 
Archie said:
Has Farage ever won a domestic election?
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That’s the paradox, he has this massive support but also he’s hugely unpopular with the other section of the electorate.

He’ll struggle to win an election anywhere I reckon.
 
Archie said:
Has Farage ever won a domestic election?
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No. Almost impossible with fptp. Easier to destroy the Tories.

If your point is about red wall tories not retaining their seats , I'm not sure about that at all. All these parties have the disadvantage that they're fundamentally as wasted vote under fptp which I suspect caps their vote in a chicken and egg problem.

If a bunch of recognised existing mps jumped in a group I think it could change that. As I said, a far fetched scenario one but amusing I think, for the mayhem it would land upon the tories
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
Has Geert opened a subdepot in UK?
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I thought Wilders was a right liberal? Is this not (for want of a better word) a more socialist programme than he would entertain, or has he moved to the populist right (old left?) position ? Or did I have his liberalism wrong to begin with?
 
egb_hibs said:
I thought Wilders was a right liberal? Is this not (for want of a better word) a more socialist programme than he would entertain, or has he moved to the populist right (old left?) position ? Or did I have his liberalism wrong to begin with?
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I don't care whether he has moved left, right or stayed sitting in the middle.

He continues to espouse overtly racist policies plus populist social policy upgrades which will never get past whatever gov gets chosen as there is no cash in the kitty for them after more than a decade of good old right-wing selling of the family china.

In short, almost exactly what this new lot you are on about seem to be about. Imo a depressing prospect, no progression visible and Geert himself still tries to come over milder but then like Trump runs off to social media to demonise a minority or two in his usual nasty, curt way.

Lack of humanity everywhere at present it seems.
 
egb_hibs said:
Good analysis. The alternative if more far fetched scenario which tickles me even if unlikely, is that if as election looms, a whole cohort of red wall tory mps defect to keep their seats, which that might well achieve.

The maximum version of this scenario - and even more far fetched - is the destruction of the Tories similar to what the rise of Labour did to the Liberals 100 years or so ago.

I think this is the wildcard option that Farage and Tice will have in their calculations. Tice is pretty open that the Tories deserve to be destroyed.
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And so it begins ?
 
egb_hibs said:
gunning for those red wall seats by the looks


  • Nationalise 50% of utilities
  • Raise minimum tax threshold to 20k
  • Cut corporation tax from 25 to 20%
  • Exempt 2m health and social care workers from tax for three years
  • Cut NHS wait times to zero
  • Accelerate oil and gas licensing and green initiatives must pay for themselves
  • Tackle ‘rip off’ university fees and woke indoctrination
  • More visible policing
  • ‘Vastly’ reduced immigration
Easy to put up such a wish list when you’ll never have to deliver against it. Might tighten the squeeze on the Tories though.
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should have a few on here salivating
 
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