Possibly the most mental thing i have learned recently, despite stiff competition

Forums New posts
egb_hibs

egb_hibs

Private Member
Joined
Jul 2, 2002
Apparently, wrongly convicted individuals can be charged for the ‘bed and board’ (in other words, fckn prison) they received while banged up for crimes they didn’t commit - including this being docked from compensation payments they receive for the initial injustice,

I mean what the fuck, why the fuck, how the fuck?
 
egb_hibs said:
Apparently, wrongly convicted individuals can be charged for the ‘bed and board’ (in other words, fckn prison) they received while banged up for crimes they didn’t commit - including this being docked from compensation payments they receive for the initial injustice,

I mean what the fuck, why the fuck, how the fuck?
Click to expand...
I'm assuming , , it is deducted from their compensation ?
 
egb_hibs said:
Apparently, wrongly convicted individuals can be charged for the ‘bed and board’ (in other words, fckn prison) they received while banged up for crimes they didn’t commit - including this being docked from compensation payments they receive for the initial injustice,

I mean what the fuck, why the fuck, how the fuck?
Click to expand...
As part of the calculation of the loss of earnings element of the compensation. No amount of money can compensate the fella who raised this the other day but if you're going to have a bunch of formulas to calculate how people have been disadvantaged financially in the period they've been wrongly imprisoned it does make some sense to deduct the costs they've not incurred from the earnings they've not earned. Whether the calculation overall is fair or not, I have no idea.
 
egb_hibs said:
Apparently, wrongly convicted individuals can be charged for the ‘bed and board’ (in other words, fckn prison) they received while banged up for crimes they didn’t commit - including this being docked from compensation payments they receive for the initial injustice,

I mean what the fuck, why the fuck, how the fuck?
Click to expand...
I guess it's this innocent man who spent 17 years dubbed up protesting his innocence, when he could have been released 10 years earlier, if he admitted to the offense.

news.sky.com

Andrew Malkinson: Man wrongly jailed for 17 years fears paying for prison 'board and lodging' should he get compensation

Andrew Malkinson said he was "sickened" by potentially having his compensation - yet to be confirmed to him - slashed for prison service costs.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Smacks of we totally fucked up syndrome. Manchester Polis and West Midlands Polis have form Guv. Nowt to do with mainly working class rank and file Polis by the way.
Fucking room and board. I may be naive but I can't see any Con waving the years pass by after the original toll to stay in the luxuriant Premier Inn standards of a cell in Stangeways for 10 extra years.
If true to form the usual Dafties will be giving it, aye but he could have been guilty etc,etc.ad nausium.
The forensic Miss Marples on here , when the woman down south drowned and the bizarre conjecture and social media mixed in soup, written by 12 year olds gave me the dry boak to be honest.
Back on track M , I agree a fucking disgrace.

BIG G
 
I think it’s the psychology here….if you said we’re awarding you £150k in damages based on a “formula” then no one will bother.

If you say we’ve used a formula to calculate £200K in damages but £50k is forfeit for the costs you didn’t incur on board and lodgings due to you be in prison it sounds callous and vindictive. You also didn’t choose to spend the time there.

Was there something that the award could be swallowed up by the boarding costs? That just suggests the formula is fecked!

Also; increasing numbers of prisoners being released without ever acknowledging guilt with no consequence? That is, I don’t think we’ll continue to keep prisoners in custody past their sentences in future if their behaviour merits release.

Interesting case.
 
Purple & Green said:
I think it’s the psychology here….if you said we’re awarding you £150k in damages based on a “formula” then no one will bother.

If you say we’ve used a formula to calculate £200K in damages but £50k is forfeit for the costs you didn’t incur on board and lodgings due to you be in prison it sounds callous and vindictive. You also didn’t choose to spend the time there.

Was there something that the award could be swallowed up by the boarding costs? That just suggests the formula is fecked!

Also; increasing numbers of prisoners being released without ever acknowledging guilt with no consequence? That is, I don’t think we’ll continue to keep prisoners in custody past their sentences in future if their behaviour merits release.

Interesting case.
Click to expand...
I agree it's the psychology and it ends up with folk talking about the newspaper headlines rather than the fundamentals. Like the number of cases where people are excluded from the compensation scheme completely despite having their convictions quashed. Or the fact that the loss of earnings element is capped at 1.5 times median earnings (no idea how much the deduction is for "bed and board" but if it's at standard B&B rates that'll come pretty close to wiping out earnings at that rate). Or the fact that it's capped at £1 million - that's not a lot of money these days to completely rebuild your life after being banged up in prison for decades.
 
Rocky said:
I agree it's the psychology and it ends up with folk talking about the newspaper headlines rather than the fundamentals. Like the number of cases where people are excluded from the compensation scheme completely despite having their convictions quashed. Or the fact that the loss of earnings element is capped at 1.5 times median earnings (no idea how much the deduction is for "bed and board" but if it's at standard B&B rates that'll come pretty close to wiping out earnings at that rate). Or the fact that it's capped at £1 million - that's not a lot of money these days to completely rebuild your life after being banged up in prison for decades.
Click to expand...
I think also the board and lodgings part is capped at 25%.

I blame Jack Straw. I think it was introduced following the outcry of Irish terrorists being found not to be Irish terrorists on appeal and scooping up huge sums.

When I worked with the prison service and in and out the jails all the time the biggest thing for me was the loss of freedom, the clunck and clink of the doors locking behind me everywhere I went knowing my freedom, for the day, was very much taken from me. Walking through a courtyard on my first visit to a jail (Edinburgh) and watching a seagull take off and over the wall with the Pentlands in the background was a moment of helplessness. There's no compensation could make up for that if your innocent and in the pokie.
 
@Purple & Green I agree that psychology makes a difference in the presentation of figures. However it’s an underlying obscenity if ‘bed and board’ is present in a compensation calculation, before consideration of how it is then spun.

Also agree with @Rocky that there are additional problems with capping etc.
 
Soon be back in the medieval period where prisoners arranged their own scran or were left to starve to death.
 
If the prison service has to recover the money why not claim it separately. No way should it look as though an innocent person is being taxed on their compensation.
 
I don’t get how this is an accounting problem ? From where are prisons funded to ‘host’ prisoners, and why does this change if one is eventually found innocent ?
 
egb_hibs said:
I don’t get how this is an accounting problem ? From where are prisons funded to ‘host’ prisoners, and why does this change if one is eventually found innocent ?
Click to expand...
Who said its an accounting problem out of interest?
 
Rocky said:
Who said it’s an accounting problem out of interest?
Click to expand...
was just referring to Westside and Jimmys immediately prior posts - I don’t know why the prison system needs paid / cost reclaimed
 
Rocky said:
I agree it's the psychology and it ends up with folk talking about the newspaper headlines rather than the fundamentals. Like the number of cases where people are excluded from the compensation scheme completely despite having their convictions quashed. Or the fact that the loss of earnings element is capped at 1.5 times median earnings (no idea how much the deduction is for "bed and board" but if it's at standard B&B rates that'll come pretty close to wiping out earnings at that rate). Or the fact that it's capped at £1 million - that's not a lot of money these days to completely rebuild your life after being banged up in prison for decades.
Click to expand...
1.5 times median earnings and all that overtime for 168 hour weeks. £10,000,000 wouldn't be enough for 17 years
 
egb_hibs said:
I don’t get how this is an accounting problem ? From where are prisons funded to ‘host’ prisoners, and why does this change if one is eventually found innocent ?
Click to expand...

The argument isn’t you pay back the prison from your award…the argument is your award is impacted by your lack of having to pay for board and lodgings for the time you are in prison?

I know that might seem like semantics, but in essence the prison service is neither up nor down by the award to a non guilty person - presumably it’s the state that benefits from paying less.

I think that’s a bizarre way to do it, and frankly isn’t worth the really negative perception
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
  • Menu
  • Home
  • Hibs Chat
  • New Posts
  • Just Back
  • Chatroom