Police shooting and demonstrations

[Davy]

Not in USA this time but Huddersfield. I would like to think the Police shot only because they were at threat themselves as they have no right to play sniper.

That said, it is a bit worrying that there was a demonstration by over 100 people blocking streets and claiming racial harassment and Police brutality. Worrying for the following reasons:

1. This is only the 5th shooting in a year by UK Police.
2. The guy was not an innocent bystander but a hardened drug dealer who was a suspect in an attempted murder case
3. He regularly flew drugs into Leeds prison with aid of drones and used a sports car sales business to launder money
4. With only 5 shootings (possibly deaths) while it is still too many for some, it does not smack of a racist agenda.
5. If communities continue to play the racist card every time something happens, it drives a wedge between communities and the victim mentality takes over


It truly worries me when communities somehow feel they have to protect the very people killing communities and destroying families by pedalling hard drugs. On the plus side 100 people is probably not representative of a whole community and more likely a bunch of guys outraged at any kind of authority


shot on M62 by police used fast cars to launder profits from his drugs empire

 

[Westside Green]

Reports of a firearm being carried in the vehicle so they kill him. No wonder the natives are getting restless. Pull him over and if he pulls a gun then shoot him but not just for maybe having a gun. I can imagine stories going round of police planting a gun in his car.

 

[HenryLB]

Not saying he's not the things they say he is. But the police spin machine is in full effect on this one.

 

[Jack]

Fly with the crows.

If criminals want to go about armed it shouldn't be any surprise to them someone else is going to be in a position to shoot them. Sometimes that will be the police.

I don't think there's any doubt there was a firearm in the vehicle given the dead criminals father said the gun in the car wasn't his. As if that meant he'd never thought of using it!

 

[Westside Green]

Fly with the crows.

If criminals want to go about armed it shouldn't be any surprise to them someone else is going to be in a position to shoot them. Sometimes that will be the police.

I don't think there's any doubt there was a firearm in the vehicle given the dead criminals father said the gun in the car wasn't his. As if that meant he'd never thought of using it!

They should not be executed by the police.

 

[Jack]

They should not be executed by the police.

To be fair it's normally criminals who execute each other and barely a voice raised in horror.

Let's see what the investigation says and then any court case that might come about before we get carried away suggesting armed police are roaming the streets looking for armed hardened criminals to randomly execute!

 

[HenryLB]

Careful what you read in the news. Maybe he had a bulky jacket and leapt the barrier like they said de Menezes did. Or had kiddie porn on his computer like that guy they shot in Acton.

Both turned out to be rubbish.

 

[Beagle]

They should not be executed by the police.

This isn't America. British police don't fire unless there is an immediate threat to either themselves or other innocent members of the public.
The intel confirmed the guy was armed.
When stopped, the guy must have either produced a weapon or something resembling a weapon, therefore he suffers the consequences.

 

[Hattie]

This isn't America. British police don't fire unless there is an immediate threat to either themselves or other innocent members of the public.
The intel confirmed the guy was armed.
When stopped, the guy must have either produced a weapon or something resembling a weapon, therefore he suffers the consequences.

Yeah but are you saying that all police, irrelevant of rank, play by the rules?
Because we all know that is ludicrously untrue...

 

[HenryLB]

This isn't America. British police don't fire unless there is an immediate threat to either themselves or other innocent members of the public.

Like the grave threat posed by Brazilian electricians.

 

[Westside Green]

This isn't America. British police don't fire unless there is an immediate threat to either themselves or other innocent members of the public.
The intel confirmed the guy was armed.
When stopped, the guy must have either produced a weapon or something resembling a weapon, therefore he suffers the consequences.

I would expect to have read that in news report but it only suggested they had reports he was armed. Not like there's ever been a shoot to kill policy before, maybe just updating it for war on drugs.

 

[Jack]

I would expect to have read that in news report but it only suggested they had reports he was armed. Not like there's ever been a shoot to kill policy before, maybe just updating it for war on drugs.

See my earlier post WG on the radio it was reported the criminals father said the gun in the car was someone else's.

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Like the grave threat posed by Brazilian electricians.

A tragic case but hardly evidence of a prolonged and sustained policy of shooting anything that moves.

Nowhere near in the same league as a career criminal whose activities demonstrated a disregard for life, no respect for the law or the society we live in.

 

[Colchester Hibs]

Reports of a firearm being carried in the vehicle so they kill him. No wonder the natives are getting restless. Pull him over and if he pulls a gun then shoot him but not just for maybe having a gun. I can imagine stories going round of police planting a gun in his car.

The ARU shot this guy because they must have saw a weapon, they wouldn't have done otherwise.

 

[egb_hibs]

Like the grave threat posed by Brazilian electricians.

Weird comparison; a horrific fuck up - acknowledged as such by the police as soon as he was identified - made in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, in the context of suicide bombings where police shoot to kill and specifically to the head, to avoid detonation of vests. Not really much to do with them going after armed gangsters, whatever the rights or wrongs of their action there.

What is this, on the surface of it, student grant style conspiratorial statement actually supposed to suggest H?

 

[HenryLB]

A tragic case but hardly evidence of a prolonged and sustained policy of shooting anything that moves.

Didn't say it was.

Nowhere near in the same league as a career criminal whose activities demonstrated a disregard for life, no respect for the law or the society we live in.

Well no, an electrician is not in the same league as a violent drug dealer. But careful what you chose to believe about this from the papers. That's all I'm saying.

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Weird comparison; a horrific $#@! up - acknowledged as such by the police as soon as he was identified - made in the aftermath of a terrorist attack, in the context of suicide bombings where police shoot to kill and specifically to the head, to avoid detonation of vests. Not really much to do with them going after armed gangsters, whatever the rights or wrongs of their action there.

What is this, on the surface of it, student grant style conspiratorial statement actually supposed to suggest H?

That wasn't the comparison I was making. I was comparing the information that came out of the event in the immediate aftermath.

Much of it oddly favourable to the police's narrative; much of it quietly found to be lies.

 

[Jack]

Didn't say it was.




Well no, an electrician is not in the same league as a violent drug dealer. But careful what you chose to believe about this from the papers. That's all I'm saying.

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That wasn't the comparison I was making. I was comparing the information that came out of the event in the immediate aftermath.

Much of it oddly favourable to the police's narrative; much of it quietly found to be lies.

Most of what I'm basing this on was the criminals father's response was to the killing. Nowhere near denying his son was a dodgy as fuck drug dealer and all but confirming there was a weapon in the car.

Unless of course he's been misquoted by IRN (or whatever they're know as now) and the BBC, lunchtime news.

 

[egb_hibs]

[MENTION=498]HenryLB[/MENTION] - if that was the point you were making, why did you write down something different?

 

[HenryLB]

[MENTION=498]HenryLB[/MENTION] - if that was the point you were making, why did you write down something different?

I'm a flippant character.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

Must admit, the polis have never opened fire at me.

They stopped me for speeding one time, but I was going a bit fast.

 

[egb_hibs]

I'm a flippant character.

You're a character alright !

 

[Beagle]

Yeah but are you saying that all police, irrelevant of rank, play by the rules?
Because we all know that is ludicrously untrue...

I would suggest your viewpoint has no relevance to the case in question.

 

[Hattie]

I would suggest your viewpoint has no relevance to the case in question.

You dont know that

 

[Davy]

Of course there is corrupt Police. But it is hardly an ongoing issue where they deliberately target and shoot members of any one community. As I said 5 shootings does not indicate oppression. This is also not PC Plod in an area where he has a grudge against someone, but a dedicated armed response team, possibly with no direct relation to the case they were asked to pursue. I do get that the shooting of the Brazilian on the train was a tragic error of judgement and I have no doubt that some officers tried to cover their back. However even in that case it does not point to racism, so does not back the claims of the protestors in this instance.

I also get that there are likely people on the bounce who hate the Police, or perhaps dabble in drugs so do not have an issue with someone making a few grand off the sale of said items. My main issue was with the demonstration arousing people to rise up not only in accusation of Police brutality but a supposed racism ticket.

If there is genuine racism in the Police it should be tackled, but for me personally, I would hate to see us return to the riots of the 80's or turn into a modern day USA where victims are everywhere and the state end up paying billions to defend every little accusation. End of the day it is really us who pay, not to mention we pay for Police costs in manning these riots, or demonstrations and the cost to the country in insurance claims, ruined cars/businesses etc does nothing to help stabilise the country or economy. Fortunately there was no mass riot in this instance, I hope there never will be.