Poland v Netherlands

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Dier - 1558

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That sounded like a good competitive game, Poland made a game of it, the Dutch have a number of things to work on, defence and set pieces not great. Overall, sounded like the Dutch deserved it.
 
Dier - 1558 said:
That sounded like a good competitive game, Poland made a game of it, the Dutch have a number of things to work on, defence and set pieces not great. Overall, sounded like the Dutch deserved it.
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Poland did well, missed levandoski, Dutch struggled to score with the amount of chances they had, bringing on Weghorst saved them from only coming away with a draw.
 
Holland were a tad worse than I expected and Poland a bit better, so a much closer game as a result.

I must be getting a bit Dutch tho cos I didn't doubt they would get the winner eventually. Didn't think the carthorse Weghorst would get it tho!
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
Holland were a tad worse than I expected and Poland a bit better, so a much closer game as a result.

I must be getting a bit Dutch tho cos I didn't doubt they would get the winner eventually. Didn't think the carthorse Weghorst would get it tho!
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Especially with the quality of Gakpo and Memphis.
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
Holland were a tad worse than I expected and Poland a bit better, so a much closer game as a result.

I must be getting a bit Dutch tho cos I didn't doubt they would get the winner eventually. Didn't think the carthorse Weghorst would get it tho!
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I'm confused. Are Holland and the Netherlands interchangeable terms? I thought it was akin to calling Britain England?
May be talking nonsense. Wouldn't be the first time.
 
As far as I’m aware Holland is part of the Netherlands, but also use to be accepted interchangeably to mean the whole nation. However the rest of Netherlands understandably weren’t so keen on that so they are now trying to phase it out. David Moyes obviously dosent give a toss like and even went out of the way to say I’ll call them Holland if you don’t mind…😅
 
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Weehibbydrew said:
I'm confused. Are Holland and the Netherlands interchangeable terms? I thought it was akin to calling Britain England?
May be talking nonsense. Wouldn't be the first time.
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In English, Holland and the Netherlands are equivalent.

In Dutch, the name for the country is Nederland, all here agree on that.

Holland was an old duchy and just a part of the Netherlands to the north and west of the country. It is now two provinces, North- and South Holland.

People from the big towns north of the big rivers Maas and Rhine often use the Dutch word Holland to refer to the whole Netherlands - but folk in the south and east of the country might take exception to that in the same way Scots will take exception to GB being called England.
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
In English, Holland and the Netherlands are equivalent.

In Dutch, the name for the country is Nederland, all here agree on that.

Holland was an old duchy and just a part of the Netherlands to the north and west of the country. It is now two provinces, North- and South Holland.

People from the big towns north of the big rivers Maas and Rhine often use the Dutch word Holland to refer to the whole Netherlands - but folk in the south and east of the country might take exception to that in the same way Scots will take exception to GB being called England.
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Cheers mate
But has it always been the 1 sovereign country?
If so is a world of difference to GB being called England… not sniping at you, just curious to know the origins
 
Hattie said:
Cheers mate
But has it always been the 1 sovereign country?
If so is a world of difference to GB being called England… not sniping at you, just curious to know the origins
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Has any country in the world always been one sovereign country? No. The Kingom of the Netherlands included Belgium a coupla centuries ago (The Low Countries) but protestant Calvinists were more prevalent in the north (incl the aforementioned duchy of Holland) whilst in general the south was more French and therefore Catholic in its political and religious dealings.

You are right that the situation is different from UK. Try reading a but more on the history and tell me what you think?
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
Has any country in the world always been one sovereign country? No. The Kingom of the Netherlands included Belgium a coupla centuries ago (The Low Countries) but protestant Calvinists were more prevalent in the north (incl the aforementioned duchy of Holland) whilst in general the south was more French and therefore Catholic in its political and religious dealings.

You are right that the situation is different from UK. Try reading a but more on the history and tell me what you think?
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I wasn’t having a go at you. I was just curious.
In regards to GB, Scotland was a country 200 years before England. The 9th century Scotland became a country and has been a sovereign country ever since.
Just saying.
The union of the crowns in 1603 (i think)
The union of parliament 1707.
 
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Hattie said:
I wasn’t having a go at you. I was just curious.
In regards to GB, Scotland was a country 200 years before England. The 9th century Scotland became a country and has been a sovereign country ever since.
Just saying.
The union of the crowns in 1609 (i think)
The union of parliament 1707.
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Nae probs, it's too complicated for me but can a sovereign country be in a union? Doesn't sovereign mean having your own laws, fiscality and borders?

If so, the duchy of Holland was gifted to a certain duke from Orange in France, iirc, so never attained the status of country, never mind sovereign. The medieval Germanic world was rife with a million wee principalities with local hard men mistrusting each other. Took yonks to sort out 😄
 
HaarlemShuffler said:
Nae probs, it's too complicated for me but can a sovereign country be in a union? Doesn't sovereign mean having your own laws, fiscality and borders?

If so, the duchy of Holland was gifted to a certain duke from Orange in France, iirc, so never attained the status of country, never mind sovereign. The medieval Germanic world was rife with a million wee principalities with local hard men mistrusting each other. Took yonks to sort out 😄
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We have our own laws, borders and fiscality 👍
Dinny get me wrong, it gets a bit complicated for me as well…
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