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Davy

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OK so government drawing up additional guidelines for the opening of new sites. So it's OK to send missiles abroad to blow up foreign oil fields, but it's too risky to extract our own oil because we might not meet net zero. Meanwhile our ammunition causes mass global warming by proxy.
 
OK so government drawing up additional guidelines for the opening of new sites. So it's OK to send missiles abroad to blow up foreign oil fields, but it's too risky to extract our own oil because we might not meet net zero. Meanwhile our ammunition causes mass global warming by proxy.
Billions have already been spent on Rosebank and Jackdaw - I’m just hoping they see common sense and let these developments progress. It’ll take a lot more than a few windmills and EVs to reverse climate change.
 
Billions have already been spent on Rosebank and Jackdaw - I’m just hoping they see common sense and let these developments progress. It’ll take a lot more than a few windmills and EVs to reverse climate change.

I'm not convinced EV's even do either. Creating those batteries is mega harmful to the environment.
Think it takes about 3 years to offset its own battery. Then replaced after 80/100'000 miles.
10s of thousands of EV cars laying unsold around europe.

Manufacturers starting to move back to combustion engines too.

No complaining mind you, chargers will keep me in a job 😅
Wind farms too!
 
I'm not convinced EV's even do either. Creating those batteries is mega harmful to the environment.
Think it takes about 3 years to offset its own battery. Then replaced after 80/100'000 miles.
10s of thousands of EV cars laying unsold around europe.

Manufacturers starting to move back to combustion engines too.

No complaining mind you, chargers will keep me in a job 😅
Wind farms too!
Not to mention added damage to the already-fucked roads due to heavier cars, lithium mining etc. Our illustrious leader reckons everyone in the oil industry has skills which are easily transferable to offshore wind - the average active drilling rig keeps around 150 people in direct employment, more on production platforms. It’ll be interesting to see how many of these find work in the renewables sector.
 
I'm not convinced EV's even do either. Creating those batteries is mega harmful to the environment.
Think it takes about 3 years to offset its own battery. Then replaced after 80/100'000 miles.
10s of thousands of EV cars laying unsold around europe.

Manufacturers starting to move back to combustion engines too.

No complaining mind you, chargers will keep me in a job 😅
Wind farms too!
Tend to agree. Then there is the damage done to road surfaces, the greater danger posed to pedestrians, the (i imagine) rather toxic end of life disposal.

I know fuck all about making cars but instinctively i agree with Toyota - who i respect much more from an engineering pov than Melon - that the world took the wrong turn and it should have been hydrogen.
 
Tend to agree. Then there is the damage done to road surfaces, the greater danger posed to pedestrians, the (i imagine) rather toxic end of life disposal.

I know fuck all about making cars but instinctively i agree with Toyota - who i respect much more from an engineering pov than Melon - that the world took the wrong turn and it should have been hydrogen.

I think hydrogen still has a shot.
I think it was Mercedes I seen that had recently finished a working engine. One they were proud of too.

Might be another company, but a big hitter.

F1 is going fully sustainable biofuel, wonder how viable that is long term on the roads. Air travel no so much.
Instead of wiping out farms, we could be converting to fuel production.
If that can make F1 carbon neutral, it must be doable on the roads too?

I guess food would be a concern, imagine arguing that you can't feed people because we need fuel 😬
 
I work in the renewables sector. Have done for nearly 15 years. Find the sweeping negativity about it pretty depressing. Don’t agree with some of the Net Zero rubbish and believe that nuclear power should be part of the mix. Unfortunately Torness will be decommissioned in 2030 and there won’t be a replacement.

Also now regularly working on improvements to our grid network and the rampant negativity from people is equally dispiriting. People want more and more and more energy but don’t want to see pylons close to their house. We can’t win.
 
I think hydrogen still has a shot.
I think it was Mercedes I seen that had recently finished a working engine. One they were proud of too.

Might be another company, but a big hitter.

F1 is going fully sustainable biofuel, wonder how viable that is long term on the roads. Air travel no so much.
Instead of wiping out farms, we could be converting to fuel production.
If that can make F1 carbon neutral, it must be doable on the roads too?

I guess food would be a concern, imagine arguing that you can't feed people because we need fuel 😬
I believe you can run an unmodified diesel car on vegetable oil which is a renewable and less polluting (though not zero polluting). Its not something I recommend and not without issues - but thats an unmodified car. Seems odd to me that if you can do this almost unintended/ by accident, then it shouldn't be beyond the wit of car companies to optimise for it relatively easily compared to brand new technologies.

That said, its also not without considerations. The green movements push for biofuels some years back had, iirc, the small downside of starving to death a chunk of the world's poor, through redirection of crops.
 
I work in the renewables sector. Have done for nearly 15 years. Find the sweeping negativity about it pretty depressing. Don’t agree with some of the Net Zero rubbish and believe that nuclear power should be part of the mix. Unfortunately Torness will be decommissioned in 2030 and there won’t be a replacement.

Also now regularly working on improvements to our grid network and the rampant negativity from people is equally dispiriting. People want more and more and more energy but don’t want to see pylons close to their house. We can’t win.
I suspect im not alone in having no negative feelings towards those working on actual solutions, versus the fraudulent nonsense peddled by zealots and at policy level.

Of course we should be pursuing green solutions, but real ones, and transitioning as they actually become viable rather than cutting our own throats.
 
I believe you can run an unmodified diesel car on vegetable oil which is a renewable and less polluting (though not zero polluting). Its not something I recommend and not without issues - but thats an unmodified car. Seems odd to me that if you can do this almost unintended/ by accident, then it shouldn't be beyond the wit of car companies to optimise for it relatively easily compared to brand new technologies.

That said, its also not without considerations. The green movements push for biofuels some years back had, iirc, the small downside of starving to death a chunk of the world's poor, through redirection of crops.
Total Energies ( and probably others) are already re-purposing oil refineries to produce sustainable aviation fuel from used cooking oil and have given out contracts for the supply of tens of thousands of tonnes of the stuff. Sadly, the other side of the coin is farmers are growing hundreds of acres of grass just to feed biogas plants and using hundreds of tonnes of diesel to do so. Nothing is “joined up” and our leaders are clueless.
 
I suspect im not alone in having no negative feelings towards those working on actual solutions, versus the fraudulent nonsense peddled by zealots and at policy level.

Of course we should be pursuing green solutions, but real ones, and transitioning as they actually become viable rather than cutting our own throats.
I think that’s a fair summary of what I was trying to say.
 
Total Energies ( and probably others) are already re-purposing oil refineries to produce sustainable aviation fuel from used cooking oil and have given out contracts for the supply of tens of thousands of tonnes of the stuff. Sadly, the other side of the coin is farmers are growing hundreds of acres of grass just to feed biogas plants and using hundreds of tonnes of diesel to do so. Nothing is “joined up” and our leaders are clueless.

Farmer across the road from me said it looks like there is plenty farmland when you drive around. But the council's are building houses on the quality farmland and so crop growing is getting harder and it is easier to have cattle..which the Scottish government tried to scale down by 25% until the kickback against it.
What is it the government want? And what foes Edinburgh council want? Give up on farmlands and just keep bringing students into the capital? Move everyone else out of Edinburgh into the country which is no longer country.

I remember my dad being put in a care home in Moredon area about 20 years ago and he would say...this was all countryside when I was young. Now if it was not for the bypass you would barely know you have crossed over to East Lotthian or Midlothian

Sorry I'm on completely different subject..shows how my mind works. 😅
 
Farmer across the road from me said it looks like there is plenty farmland when you drive around. But the council's are building houses on the quality farmland and so crop growing is getting harder and it is easier to have cattle..which the Scottish government tried to scale down by 25% until the kickback against it.
What is it the government want? And what foes Edinburgh council want? Give up on farmlands and just keep bringing students into the capital? Move everyone else out of Edinburgh into the country which is no longer country.

I remember my dad being put in a care home in Moredon area about 20 years ago and he would say...this was all countryside when I was young. Now if it was not for the bypass you would barely know you have crossed over to East Lotthian or Midlothian

Sorry I'm on completely different subject..shows how my mind works. 😅
The farm land surrounding my house was sold a few years back to a “farmer” who stood on my doorstep and told me how he was only going to “rent out the grass” to farmers. Since then, two houses have been built and a third plot is on the market with more to follow. The “farmer” still insists he only sold the first plot because he was offered “silly money” for it. Yet only last month he advertised another plot for £95k.
Edit: the whole parcel of land cost him £115k - by my reckoning he’s already trebled his money and still has potentially another 4 plots he could sell.
 
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I read/heard recently (from what source I cannie remember) that the changing climate isn’t due to pollution but is still caused by humans.

Bear with me here as it is straying into moonhowler territory.

About 50 years or so ago, during space exploration period, NASA were finding that they were having to adjust the telemetry of spacecraft frequently where the calculations should have remained constant. So they launched satellites in direct opposition to each other to monitor the earth’s rotation around its axis. What they found was that the planet has a ‘heavy spot’ - like on a tyre when you have to have it balanced with small weights after fitting. The cause was believed to be due to the location - China and India, and they say it’s because of the mega cities in China with extreme weight localised. Coupled with the dams in India harnessing huge amounts of water.
With both these phenomena being in close proximity to each other (on a planetary scale) the combined effects are causing the Earth to tilt from its position.

Now, I have no idea if that is all complete scientific bollocks or is a real factor and whether it is beyond rectification. But there you go. A wee something to mindfuck EGB 😉
 

I read/heard recently (from what source I cannie remember) that the changing climate isn’t due to pollution but is still caused by humans.

Bear with me here as it is straying into moonhowler territory.

About 50 years or so ago, during space exploration period, NASA were finding that they were having to adjust the telemetry of spacecraft frequently where the calculations should have remained constant. So they launched satellites in direct opposition to each other to monitor the earth’s rotation around its axis. What they found was that the planet has a ‘heavy spot’ - like on a tyre when you have to have it balanced with small weights after fitting. The cause was believed to be due to the location - China and India, and they say it’s because of the mega cities in China with extreme weight localised. Coupled with the dams in India harnessing huge amounts of water.
With both these phenomena being in close proximity to each other (on a planetary scale) the combined effects are causing the Earth to tilt from its position.

Now, I have no idea if that is all complete scientific bollocks or is a real factor and whether it is beyond rectification. But there you go. A wee something to mindfuck EGB 😉
That is mind blowing. Sounds like a job for a squad of Kwik Fit fitters!
 
China is radge. Their BYD Zhengzhou factory is set to be bigger than San Franciso!

China and India could loose 1billion each and still be the 2 most populous countries by far. They must have nowt to do all day but pump each other
 
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I think hydrogen still has a shot.
I think it was Mercedes I seen that had recently finished a working engine. One they were proud of too.

Might be another company, but a big hitter.

F1 is going fully sustainable biofuel, wonder how viable that is long term on the roads. Air travel no so much.
Instead of wiping out farms, we could be converting to fuel production.
If that can make F1 carbon neutral, it must be doable on the roads too?

I guess food would be a concern, imagine arguing that you can't feed people because we need fuel 😬
BMW.

BMW made a hydrogen version of the car is had. Only trouble was, well one of the only problems was, it cost over £350,000 or more!

There's a way to go with making hydrogen feasible but I agree it's the way to go.

With regards to new, heavy vehicles damaging the roads I'm not convinced. Yeah they're much heavier but the tyres are huge in comparison to the old days, spreading the load and suspensions are much kinder to the roads. I think a lot of road issues are about building shite roads.
 
I read/heard recently (from what source I cannie remember) that the changing climate isn’t due to pollution but is still caused by humans.

Bear with me here as it is straying into moonhowler territory.

About 50 years or so ago, during space exploration period, NASA were finding that they were having to adjust the telemetry of spacecraft frequently where the calculations should have remained constant. So they launched satellites in direct opposition to each other to monitor the earth’s rotation around its axis. What they found was that the planet has a ‘heavy spot’ - like on a tyre when you have to have it balanced with small weights after fitting. The cause was believed to be due to the location - China and India, and they say it’s because of the mega cities in China with extreme weight localised. Coupled with the dams in India harnessing huge amounts of water.
With both these phenomena being in close proximity to each other (on a planetary scale) the combined effects are causing the Earth to tilt from its position.

Now, I have no idea if that is all complete scientific bollocks or is a real factor and whether it is beyond rectification. But there you go. A wee something to mindfuck EGB 😉
Yeah, I read something about this a couple of months back, water displacement by humans make the planet a bit lopsided was the reason given in the article i was reading.
 
China is radge. Their BYD Zhengzhou factory is set to be bigger than San Franciso!

China and India could each loose 1billion each and still be the 2 most populous countries by far. They must have nowt to do all day but pump each other

There’s projections that Chinese population will half by 2100!
 
BMW made a hydrogen version of the car is had. Only trouble was, well one of the only problems was, it cost over £350,000 or more!

Cheers! I knew it was one of the big ones.

That must be development costs though? Surely no every engine would cost that?
I don't know how easy it would be to put hydrogen refuelling stations everywhere, so infrastructure maybe a sticking point?
 
I read/heard recently (from what source I cannie remember) that the changing climate isn’t due to pollution but is still caused by humans.

Bear with me here as it is straying into moonhowler territory.

About 50 years or so ago, during space exploration period, NASA were finding that they were having to adjust the telemetry of spacecraft frequently where the calculations should have remained constant. So they launched satellites in direct opposition to each other to monitor the earth’s rotation around its axis. What they found was that the planet has a ‘heavy spot’ - like on a tyre when you have to have it balanced with small weights after fitting. The cause was believed to be due to the location - China and India, and they say it’s because of the mega cities in China with extreme weight localised. Coupled with the dams in India harnessing huge amounts of water.
With both these phenomena being in close proximity to each other (on a planetary scale) the combined effects are causing the Earth to tilt from its position.

Now, I have no idea if that is all complete scientific bollocks or is a real factor and whether it is beyond rectification. But there you go. A wee something to mindfuck EGB 😉

Did china no build a dam that when they filled it, it slowed the earths rotation?
 
Tend to agree. Then there is the damage done to road surfaces, the greater danger posed to pedestrians, the (i imagine) rather toxic end of life disposal.

I know fuck all about making cars but instinctively i agree with Toyota - who i respect much more from an engineering pov than Melon - that the world took the wrong turn and it should have been hydrogen.
Imagine finding a way to use the most abundant element or mine elements that are scarce. Let's tell them hydrogen is unworkable, rip them off and fuck the planet even more
 
Cheers! I knew it was one of the big ones.

That must be development costs though? Surely no every engine would cost that?
I don't know how easy it would be to put hydrogen refuelling stations everywhere, so infrastructure maybe a sticking point?
I think they put the costs into general development. If it became the thing, over batteries for example, they'd become much cheaper.

Hydrogen is obviously very dangerous to move about but I'm not taking that as a reason not to do it. How dangerous is it from extracting oil to getting petrol in the pumps? Where there's a will there's a way.
 
Drill baby drill....
Forty years ago we would drill a well in the North Sea - we’d see a supply vessel maybe twice a week. We’d have one, maybe two skips onboard for rubbish we couldn’t burn. Food waste was tipped overboard for the birds and fish , anything that would burn would be set alight and hung overboard on a Sunday. Drill cuttings, along with their coating of oil-based drilling fluids, were discharged overboard. Marine biologists said that the seabed actually thrived on it.

Nowadays, due to regulations, you need around 300 skips for the drill cuttings alone, often a dedicated supply vessel to transport same, trucks to transport these skips for oil-reclamation and eventual incineration, remaining dried cuttings to be used in making roads. You need skips for metal waste, glass waste, plastic waste, wood waste, compactors for food waste, the list goes on. The country has over-complicated and over- regulated itself to the point where it is disappearing up its own arse and can no longer see the wood for the trees.

I was once forbidden to dump 300 barrels of seawater back in the sea and made instead to send it onshore for disposal in case there was a few litres of oil in it (at a cost of 5 figures). Ironically, the man who gave the order was a cousin of a well-known Scottish F1 driver who probably burned more oil with a flick of his ignition switch.
 
Cheers! I knew it was one of the big ones.

That must be development costs though? Surely no every engine would cost that?
I don't know how easy it would be to put hydrogen refuelling stations everywhere, so infrastructure maybe a sticking point?
It's a tricky one. Both battery electric and hydrogen cars would have a big role in supporting renewable energy storage. For battery electric vehicles the electricity is stored in the battery while making hydrogen uses and stores electricity.

Supporters of hydrogen point to the clean emissions, lighter than battery electric cars and the non use of lithium and particularly cobalt. The key selling point is range.

Supporters of battery electric vehicles argue that it is a complete waste to make hydrogen using electricity rather than just charge a battery. Hydrogen can be tricky to handle and store. And we already have an infrastructure to support EVs. I don't just mean public charging. A lot of people simply charge at home. Battery EVs also offer opportunities to manage the grid and so on.

FWIW I think battery EVs will dominate for smaller vehicles and cars, with hydrogen for bigger vehicles, therefore managing the battery weight ratio issue.

I think oil will fall away for vehicles. Emissions, particularly from diesel, are really bad. I'm meaning air quality here. The particulates in diesel emissions are small, which makes it easier for them to enter kids lungs. We can't keep doing that.
 
BMW.

BMW made a hydrogen version of the car is had. Only trouble was, well one of the only problems was, it cost over £350,000 or more!

There's a way to go with making hydrogen feasible but I agree it's the way to go.

With regards to new, heavy vehicles damaging the roads I'm not convinced. Yeah they're much heavier but the tyres are huge in comparison to the old days, spreading the load and suspensions are much kinder to the roads. I think a lot of road issues are about building shite roads.
I live in moredun, where i grew up all my years with parents. I moved out a good few years ago not far up the road.
Anyway, the road, moredun vale road is the road from the hospital up to gilmerton rd.
it was fine for decades, then buses started to use it. A few years later the road was destroyed, in a pathetic way that you couldn’t drive 10 yards without hitting severe potholes. Especially where bus stops are. You see this all over.
It is clear the roads that were built were not built for such heavy loads, even at bus stops that got repaired, it didn’t take long before huge holes appeared again
Buses esp at bus stops are destroying the roads without a doubt
It’s undeniable that heavy loads destroy the roads.
Especially when the councils do a “temporary repair” instead of permanent because of the stupid false economy thinking that doing that over and over saves money! 🙈🙈🙈
 
It's a tricky one. Both battery electric and hydrogen cars would have a big role in supporting renewable energy storage. For battery electric vehicles the electricity is stored in the battery while making hydrogen uses and stores electricity.

Supporters of hydrogen point to the clean emissions, lighter than battery electric cars and the non use of lithium and particularly cobalt. The key selling point is range.

Supporters of battery electric vehicles argue that it is a complete waste to make hydrogen using electricity rather than just charge a battery. Hydrogen can be tricky to handle and store. And we already have an infrastructure to support EVs. I don't just mean public charging. A lot of people simply charge at home. Battery EVs also offer opportunities to manage the grid and so on.

FWIW I think battery EVs will dominate for smaller vehicles and cars, with hydrogen for bigger vehicles, therefore managing the battery weight ratio issue.

I think oil will fall away for vehicles. Emissions, particularly from diesel, are really bad. I'm meaning air quality here. The particulates in diesel emissions are small, which makes it easier for them to enter kids lungs. We can't keep doing that.
Good post. Some observations.

How do people who live in flats do home charging? (Not expecting you to be able to answer, just something that appears a bit of an obvious flaw to me)

There seems to be some doubt we can scale up to meet charging demands as the number of EVs grow - at grid level rather than charging points.

There are various methods of producing hydrogen. I gather so-called grey hydrogen is common today which isnt very efficient in terms of the issues you allude to. But 'green hydrogen' - isolation of hydrogen via renewables - produces no co2, while 'white hydrogen' is naturally 'stored' reserves, access to which is being explored. Tldr: with sufficient commercial incentive there are potentially big gains to be made here.
 
China is radge. Their BYD Zhengzhou factory is set to be bigger than San Franciso!

China and India could loose 1billion each and still be the 2 most populous countries by far. They must have nowt to do all day but pump each other
My wife is Chinese and I can categorically state, that in my experience, that is not the case unfortunately :coffee1:
 
Not uncommon
The farm land surrounding my house was sold a few years back to a “farmer” who stood on my doorstep and told me how he was only going to “rent out the grass” to farmers. Since then, two houses have been built and a third plot is on the market with more to follow. The “farmer” still insists he only sold the first plot because he was offered “silly money” for it. Yet only last month he advertised another plot for £95k.
Edit: the whole parcel of land cost him £115k - by my reckoning he’s already trebled his money and still has potentially another 4 plots he could sell.
Not uncommon unfortunately. We were evicted last year because the farmer wanted to upgrade his properties. We found another farm cottage a couple of miles away but twice the price. Our current landlord also has other cottages being used as holiday let's. Hard to blame them though because making money in farming is not easy and with the crazy inheritance tax, they have mo guarantee their families can afford to take the business on. Some are just cutting their losses. But the government are not exactly throwing incentives to farmers, rather they are happy for supermarkets to buy cheaper imports and tell farmers what they will pay them.
Not sure what the attraction of being a farmer really is. Our landlord says he could never go a holiday until his sons had grown up and were able to look after the farm and what money they have is spent on vehicles and machinery.
Work from about 4am till 10 at night most days
 
The saddest but most predictable thing was people believed that shit.
I believed it at the time, thinking, if there was still enough oil left to keep operating profitably, why would the mega oil companies not use their far reaching clout to diss this appararant misinformation? From articles I have read over the years it seems that the larger oil companies leased out the oil fields when the yield decreased and smaller comanies would then extract whatever remained.
The cost of closing down and then re-opening oilfields must be colossal.
 
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I believed it at the time, thinking, if there was still enough oil left to keep operating profitably, why did the mega oil companies not use their far reaching clout to diss this appararant misinformation? From articles I have read over the years it seems that the larger oil companies leased out the oil fields when the yield decreased and smaller comanies would then extract whatever remained.
The cost of closing down and then re-opening oilfields must be colossal.
The Valhall field in Norwegian waters produced over 1 billion boe in its first 40 years and the current aim is to produce another billion in the next 40. The field is also now powered by electricity from Norway. The Norwegians may have reinvented the wheel but they certainly know how to keep it turning.
 
There is still oil left?

We were told in 2013 that it was running out and would be gone in 2019 iirc.

We were lied to? Who knew?
In the 80's, i was told by a school teacher, North Sea Oil only had 20yrs left. The teacher wasn't Scottish, and would talk Scotland down at any opportunity.