Nigel Farage Like or Loathe he is one clever politician

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He is on QT just now. He's not my cup of tea but he is wiping the floor with the rest of the panel
 
SuperTortolano said:
I like him a lot, talks a lot of sense, and believes in what he is saying, unlike other politicians.
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Hes entertaining but he really does talk a lot of shite. The pick of last night was his own dodgy "arc of prosperity" outside the EU. Farage's vision for Britain could not possibly be further removed from Norwegian society (in fact he does not seem keen even on the concept of society) yet he has the cheek to point to the quality of life in Norway as something Britain could aspire to outside the EU.

He wasnt picked up on this of course (some collection of toothless gimps on QT last night) and nor was he challenged when he simply refused to acknowledge why the economic operating context of Norway and Switzerland is very different than what Britain would be facing outside Europe.

He's a likeable guy but belongs to that strand of populist conservatives who regard reasoned debate as some recent nuisance imposed upon them from an effete PC bridgade. They might attract some protest votes due to their populist statements on immigration and europe, but that wont last once people realize Farage favours millionaires paying the same rate of tax as shopkeepers and abolishing national insurance contributions. This is a party that has railed against Cameron for becoming too socialist and not making cuts quickly and deeply enough. They may absorb some votes from disaffected eurosceptic right wing tories, but their appeal beyond that political and social demographic as an english nationalist protest vote, which appears to have given them a bounce in the polls, will not last as their policies come under closer scrutiny.
 
He's the English Alex Salmond. However, at least he's consistent whereas Salmond is not. How can you want independence yet want to be a member of the EU?
 
Nigel Flange is a right wing reactionary in the same 'entertaining' way as jolly Boris Johnson. Wipe away the thin dusting of 'men of the people' and as superbam said their politics are loathsome.

BIG G
 
superbam said:
Hes entertaining but he really does talk a lot of shite. The pick of last night was his own dodgy "arc of prosperity" outside the EU. Farage's vision for Britain could not possibly be further removed from Norwegian society (in fact he does not seem keen even on the concept of society) yet he has the cheek to point to the quality of life in Norway as something Britain could aspire to outside the EU.

He wasnt picked up on this of course (some collection of toothless gimps on QT last night) and nor was he challenged when he simply refused to acknowledge why the economic operating context of Norway and Switzerland is very different than what Britain would be facing outside Europe.

He's a likeable guy but belongs to that strand of populist conservatives who regard reasoned debate as some recent nuisance imposed upon them from an effete PC bridgade. They might attract some protest votes due to their populist statements on immigration and europe, but that wont last once people realize Farage favours millionaires paying the same rate of tax as shopkeepers and abolishing national insurance contributions. This is a party that has railed against Cameron for becoming too socialist and not making cuts quickly and deeply enough. They may absorb some votes from disaffected eurosceptic right wing tories, but their appeal beyond that political and social demographic as an english nationalist protest vote, which appears to have given them a bounce in the polls, will not last as their policies come under closer scrutiny.
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Fair enough but lets just imagine if you will that we are still trapped in the handcuffs of Westminster and not on the verge of Freedom , who would you rather have in charge Nigel Farage or David Cameron or worse Milliband ?? And his reference to Norway and Switzerland are purely on a "see they are doing OK and they are free of the EU " rather than lets do the same and mirror them , as he always says every country is different and what works for one may not work for another , on QT last night there was still comments by the panel scaremongering about "oh we will be doomed"outwith the EU, especially by that old grey haired witch, a clever lady no doubt, but i kept waiting on the scene with the cauldron lol
 
Dont agree with his politics, but met him a few months ago and chatted whist we awaited a train that was delayed for a few hours - nice enough guy, friendly and seemed real
 
He's the worst sort of tub thumping protest vote bait. He relies on people's ignorance and above all plays on their fears. Now that the Liberals are in goverrnment (Ha!) the protest voters have to have somewhere to go. This combined with his party's thinly veiled xenophobia, always attractive to little England, and his premonitions of plague, pestilence and famine have assured him some recent success in various polls.

In an actual general election he will probably only take votes away from disaffected Tories and right-wing nuts who have finally worked out that the BNP is not going to make a breakthrough and so they might as well pitch their tents in the UKIP camp.

On a personal note I find him utterly repellent. Beneath his oily veneer of self-satisfaction and arrogance I detect the typical traits of supremicism, racialism and extremism.
 
superbam said:
Hes entertaining but he really does talk a lot of shite. The pick of last night was his own dodgy "arc of prosperity" outside the EU. Farage's vision for Britain could not possibly be further removed from Norwegian society (in fact he does not seem keen even on the concept of society) yet he has the cheek to point to the quality of life in Norway as something Britain could aspire to outside the EU.

He wasnt picked up on this of course (some collection of toothless gimps on QT last night) and nor was he challenged when he simply refused to acknowledge why the economic operating context of Norway and Switzerland is very different than what Britain would be facing outside Europe.

He's a likeable guy but belongs to that strand of populist conservatives who regard reasoned debate as some recent nuisance imposed upon them from an effete PC bridgade. They might attract some protest votes due to their populist statements on immigration and europe, but that wont last once people realize Farage favours millionaires paying the same rate of tax as shopkeepers and abolishing national insurance contributions. This is a party that has railed against Cameron for becoming too socialist and not making cuts quickly and deeply enough. They may absorb some votes from disaffected eurosceptic right wing tories, but their appeal beyond that political and social demographic as an english nationalist protest vote, which appears to have given them a bounce in the polls, will not last as their policies come under closer scrutiny.
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What kind of reasoned debate does he consider a nuisance ? I can grasp that if reasoned debate has come to mean the unquestioned repetition of platitudes and failed establishment ideas, perhaps with one dissenting stooge on hand to beat up. Otherwise I'm not sure - especially as farage's view of Europe is now playing out.

Same goes for him not believing in society - I've not picked up that either unless society is now another name for an overbearing nanny state.
 
Plasticman said:
Dont agree with his politics, but met him a few months ago and chatted whist we awaited a train that was delayed for a few hours - nice enough guy, friendly and seemed real
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You should have given him a dig in the ribs to find out for sure.

He's a politician.

Prone to bluff,waffle & being economic with the truth.

Probably a hun to boot.
 
timberfox said:
Fair enough but lets just imagine if you will that we are still trapped in the handcuffs of Westminster and not on the verge of Freedom , who would you rather have in charge Nigel Farage or David Cameron or worse Milliband ?? And his reference to Norway and Switzerland are purely on a "see they are doing OK and they are free of the EU " rather than lets do the same and mirror them , as he always says every country is different and what works for one may not work for another , on QT last night there was still comments by the panel scaremongering about "oh we will be doomed"outwith the EU, especially by that old grey haired witch, a clever lady no doubt, but i kept waiting on the scene with the cauldron lol
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A Professor, so lets give her the benefit of the doubt vis-a-vis being clever, but she really fell flat when discussing the last round of EU immigrants. She was almost beaming when she was giving us the benefit of her extrapolations with regard to that subject and Boston [lincs]. She said that in boston all the services provided could cope easily with the immigrants and read out facts and figures to prove it.....then a lady in the audience put her hand up and began by saying "I'm from boston" and went on to paint a different picture all together than that made up from statistics and read out by the prof.
 
Many academics are as blinded by ideology as anyone else - in fact frequently more so. It has ever been thus.
 
Dub said:
A Professor, so lets give her the benefit of the doubt vis-a-vis being clever, but she really fell flat when discussing the last round of EU immigrants. She was almost beaming when she was giving us the benefit of her extrapolations with regard to that subject and Boston [lincs]. She said that in boston all the services provided could cope easily with the immigrants and read out facts and figures to prove it.....then a lady in the audience put her hand up and began by saying "I'm from boston" and went on to paint a different picture all together than that made up from statistics and read out by the prof.
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Yes i enjoyed that bit as well , put her in her place , and Nigel clearly stated also that pre 2004 all of Bostons cabbages were always harvested , as the said Professor was eluding to the fact that without cheap immigrant labour all of Bostons veg went rotten in the ground ,stupid cow , the only winners were the owners of said veg making more profit .
 
timberfox said:
Yes i enjoyed that bit as well , put her in her place , and Nigel clearly stated also that pre 2004 all of Bostons cabbages were always harvested , as the said Professor was eluding to the fact that without cheap immigrant labour all of Bostons veg went rotten in the ground ,stupid cow , the only winners were the owners of said veg making more profit .
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Well you know the way it is Mr Fox. If you want to try to make a point then go for the doomsday scenario. That'll grab the attention. Sadly for her it was another epic fail.

I'm not sure about Farage though I do like listening to his rants. At least they are coherent.
 
Dub said:
Well you know the way it is Mr Fox. If you want to try to make a point then go for the doomsday scenario. That'll grab the attention. Sadly for her it was another epic fail.

I'm not sure about Farage though I do like listening to his rants. At least they are coherent.
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Safe to say you get what you see with Nigel, no other politician fights for Britians right like he and his party.
 
timberfox said:
Yes i enjoyed that bit as well , put her in her place , and Nigel clearly stated also that pre 2004 all of Bostons cabbages were always harvested , as the said Professor was eluding to the fact that without cheap immigrant labour all of Bostons veg went rotten in the ground ,stupid cow , the only winners were the owners of said veg making more profit .
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Academics, invariably of the left but also, if less ironically, the right, are frequently blinded by ideology into advancing the interests of capital to the detriment of labour. This one hasn't ever been thus - the detriment of everyone used to be the gameplan - but it is this now.
 
egb_hibs said:
Academics, invariably of the left but also, if less ironically, the right, are frequently blinded by ideology into advancing the interests of capital to the detriment of labour. This one hasn't ever been thus - the detriment of everyone used to be the gameplan - but it is this now.
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all academics?

Farage is a fanny btw - just so as you know :approve:
 
timberfox said:
Safe to say you get what you see with Nigel, no other politician fights for Britians right like he and his party.
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Can't argue with that ... but it doesn't add up to a bag of beans. There are British politicians, left, right and centre, pro and anti-Europe, who do more for Britain every other day than this charlatan has done in a lifetime. Politicians who go into the chambers and the lobbies and the committees and get involved in the nitty-gritty of legislation, wheeling and dealing on behalf of Britain as they see fit. This braying ass just heckles from the sidelines. Power without responsibility -- the traditional position of the protest vote.

In reality, he's just a Tory who's got off the bus leaving him to voice the sort of unacceptable views that his old mates can't dare say.
 
gun ainm said:
all academics?

Farage is a fanny btw - just so as you know :approve:
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Not all, but as I said, frequently. Possibly all of the kind that are invited on the increasingly less than credible QT though.

I can see who farage would irritate your establishment prejudices. I think he may do surprisingly well electorally, as many other people are disenfranchised by the establishment hegemony. I am however, highly sceptical of more extravagant speculation such as ukip being part of a coalition government. They remain a protest vote in my opinion.
 
egb_hibs said:
Not all, but as I said, frequently. Possibly all of the kind that are invited on the increasingly less than credible QT though.

I can see who farage would irritate your establishment prejudices. I think he may do surprisingly well electorally, as many other people are disenfranchised by the establishment hegemony. I am however, highly sceptical of more extravagant speculation such as ukip being part of a coalition government. They remain a protest vote in my opinion.
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UKIP are so anti-establishment that their closest political bedfellows are actually the ruling party.
 
superbam said:
UKIP are so anti-establishment that their closest political bedfellows are actually the ruling party.
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The conservatives are not the establishment party, and even then UKIP are set up in large part to oppose them, and specifically in response to their acquiescence to establishment positions.

The establishment are the extra-governmental wielders of power - media, judiciary, academy, big business. Labour is the party of the first three and of much of big business.
 
Tomsk09 said:
Can't argue with that ... but it doesn't add up to a bag of beans. There are British politicians, left, right and centre, pro and anti-Europe, who do more for Britain every other day than this charlatan has done in a lifetime. Politicians who go into the chambers and the lobbies and the committees and get involved in the nitty-gritty of legislation, wheeling and dealing on behalf of Britain as they see fit. This braying ass just heckles from the sidelines. Power without responsibility -- the traditional position of the protest vote.

In reality, he's just a Tory who's got off the bus leaving him to voice the sort of unacceptable views that his old mates can't dare say.
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Absolutely right.

I don't normally venture into the Cowshed, but I have to confess I'm surprised that so many are taken in by simple force of charisma - Farage is an accomplished orator, but their policies under scrutiny are all over the place. He reckons he's at once a Gladstonian liberal and a convinced Thatcherite at the same time - it's smoke and mirrors. For God's sake, their own MEP resigned the whip calling the party Stalinist and unprofessional.

It'd be scary if they had a genuine chance. As it is, IMO it's simply faintly ridiculous, and excellent if it succeeds in diluting the Tory vote. Win/win.
 
aggie said:
Absolutely right.

I don't normally venture into the Cowshed, but I have to confess I'm surprised that so many are taken in by simple force of charisma - Farage is an accomplished orator, but their policies under scrutiny are all over the place. He reckons he's at once a Gladstonian liberal and a convinced Thatcherite at the same time - it's smoke and mirrors. For God's sake, their own MEP resigned the whip calling the party Stalinist and unprofessional.

It'd be scary if they had a genuine chance. As it is, IMO it's simply faintly ridiculous, and excellent if it succeeds in diluting the Tory vote. Win/win.
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"Nigel" though.
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