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egb_hibs said:
Charged now apparently
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I wonder if this latest Tory gadgie thats got the bullet from Westminster will be charged if he's misappropriated their donations?
 
Chris Bryant was on the telly at lunchtime bemoaning the worst parliament ever, citing a ridiculous number of MPs, who are either receiving the attention of the bizzies or have had the whip removed due to misconduct. The majority of them are tories I think. But now we have the Angela Rayner business and this popping up again.

Standards in public life seem to be slipping across the board.

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Isn't it funny that no Tories are charged with similar, they seem to make alot of complaints about other people but seem untouchable themselves.

Also quite a few of these complaints are going through Manchester police, all seems a bit weird to me.
 
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tayside hibee said:
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So the SNP finance and audit committee and angry independence campaigners had the foresight to cause a diversion from Tory sleaze some years in advance ? For reasons that I guess shall remain mysterious?

Is this a political party we are talking about or a cult?

Is it just maybe possible that more than one political party is capable of shifty behaviour amongst its members ?
 
As far as I can see a Tory has been on the news tonight for dodgy dealings and so has this guy.So if it’s a diversion it’s not very successful.
 
egb_hibs said:
So the SNP finance and audit committee and angry independence campaigners had the foresight to cause a diversion from Tory sleaze some years in advance ? For reasons that I guess shall remain mysterious?

Is this a political party we are talking about or a cult?

Is it just maybe possible that more than one political party is capable of shifty behaviour amongst its members ?
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You never struck me as naive .
 
moathibby said:
As far as I can see a Tory has been on the news tonight for dodgy dealings and so has this guy.So if it’s a diversion it’s not very successful.
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Quite Moaty.

Tayside, Moatys probably the least tory person in the western hemisphere. Perhaps he can lend you his 'see things clearly' goggles?
 
egb_hibs said:
I'm not sure that I am, though you never know. It's one reason I don't think this has anything to do with tory sleaze.

Apart from anything else, why would the tories want to help Labour whup them?
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In what will imo be a hung parliament come the GE, the red and blue Tories are far more comfortable in cahoots with each other than have pesky sweaties having any say in things.
 
egb_hibs said:
In Scotland or in the UK?

Quite different tbh. I suspect if you drop into any English city or town and conduct a survey, most folk will have feck all ifea about this.
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In Scotland of course. I am well aware that anywhere South of Berwick couldn’t give a flying one about the SNP. Or Scotland for that matter.
 
tayside hibee said:
In what will imo be a hung parliament come the GE, the red and blue Tories are far more comfortable in cahoots with each other than have pesky sweaties having any say in things.
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Well that’s one analysis. I’d suspect they’d rather have their opposition vote split to counter or contain a Labour majority. I mean the rise of the SNP has been a whopping contributor to killing labours electoral chances for decades now, but perhaps the tories are bored of that.
 
egb_hibs said:
Well that’s one analysis. I’d suspect they’d rather have their opposition vote split to counter or contain a Labour majority. I mean the rise of the SNP has been a whopping contributor to killing labours electoral chances for decades now, but perhaps the tories are bored of that.
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You will know if this is true or if I have imagined it, but apparently the last twice Labour have been in power, they would have done so regardless of the Scottish vote? 🤔
 
Our media are for me at fault.

Frank Hestor. Any TV camera ever door stepped him? Already long forgotten thanks to our inept, incompetent and impotent media.
 
Smurf said:
Our media are for me at fault.

Frank Hestor. Any TV camera ever door stepped him? Already long forgotten thanks to our inept, incompetent and impotent media.
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5 years it took for his comments to be common knowledge. 😔
Unquestionable journalism at it finest 😜
 
tayside hibee said:
You will know if this is true or if I have imagined it, but apparently the last twice Labour have been in power, they would have done so regardless of the Scottish vote? 🤔
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Don’t know, but the new labour era was unique in Labour’s history. Few parties, never mind Labour, have been that popular at UK level, ever.

In 2024, it’s more business as usual and a swing from snp to labour is terrible news for the Tories. I’m surprised your doubling down on this tbh, I mean this is self evident.

www.independent.co.uk

Why Scotland is so important for Labour to avoid a hung parliament

Huge Rutherglen result means Labour are on course to be the ‘dominant’ force in Scotland again – and triumph at the general election, says John Curtice
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
egb_hibs said:
Don’t know, but the new labour era was unique in Labour’s history. Few parties, never mind Labour, have been that popular at UK level, ever.

In 2024, it’s more business as usual and a swing from snp to labour is terrible news for the Tories. I’m surprised your doubling down on this tbh, I mean this is self evident.

www.independent.co.uk

Why Scotland is so important for Labour to avoid a hung parliament

Huge Rutherglen result means Labour are on course to be the ‘dominant’ force in Scotland again – and triumph at the general election, says John Curtice
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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I’m not doubling down on it at all.
As well as putting my opinion over on here at times, I try and and have an open mind and if I’ve got things wrong or my opinion may be swayed I’m all ears. Every days a school day as they say.
In the last 10 years, Labour have appeared to side more with the Tories than they have with any body else.
In the Scottish parliament , the two are almost inseparable. In Westminster, apart from mud slinging, they appear to be as tight as 2 coats of paint.
 
tayside hibee said:
I’m not doubling down on it at all.
As well as putting my opinion over on here at times, I try and and have an open mind and if I’ve got things wrong or my opinion may be swayed I’m all ears. Every days a school day as they say.
In the last 10 years, Labour have appeared to side more with the Tories than they have with any body else.
In the Scottish parliament , the two are almost inseparable. In Westminster, apart from mud slinging, they appear to be as tight as 2 coats of paint.
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Uniting against the governing party in Holyrood is one thing - happens in most parliaments - but on the assumption the Tories want to be elected, then SNP success is much better for them than Labour.

I mean it’s obvious - SNP can by definition never challenge at Westminster level, the tories pick up few seats if any here anyway, but Scottish seats can add to Labour’s haul at UK level.
 
tayside hibee said:
Gave up watching that a long time ago. I suspect you have as well . It is contrived pish.
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Watching it tonight.So far the SNP were mentioned in passing.Murrell not at all.Question Time is coming from Buxton. I suspect the story will get a mention on STV and BBC Scotland tomorrow.Are these two companies trying to divert us away from Sunak and the Tories?
 
moathibby said:
Watching it tonight.So far the SNP were mentioned in passing.Murrell not at all.Question Time is coming from Buxton. I suspect the story will get a mention on STV and BBC Scotland tomorrow.Are these two companies trying to divert us away from Sunak and the Tories?
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The BBC don’t need to convince England not to vote SNP. The diversion is up here . Okay, the alleged diversion 🤨
 
egb_hibs said:
Uniting against the governing party in Holyrood is one thing - happens in most parliaments - but on the assumption the Tories want to be elected, then SNP success is much better for them than Labour.

I mean it’s obvious - SNP can by definition never challenge at Westminster level, the tories pick up few seats if any here anyway, but Scottish seats can add to Labour’s haul at UK level.
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If it’s a hung parliament , nobody down there wants a strong Scottish contingent who could go in cahoots with another party to gain control. ( the DUP) scenario for example. The Tories didn’t want them, but had to make a pact with their devil to gain power, at a price of course.
 
tayside hibee said:
If it’s a hung parliament , nobody down there wants a strong Scottish contingent who could go in cahoots with another party to gain control. ( the DUP) scenario for example. The Tories didn’t want them, but had to make a pact with their devil to gain power, at a price of course.
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So you are saying the tories would rather lose the election to labour than have a hung parliament ? Honestly T, all the stuff you say about English folk blindly voting for Brexit is so ironic in the face of this determined ignoring of the obvious!

The tories - any party - would rather they won the seats available. Second to that any party would prefer seats lost to be divided amongst rivals rather than accumulating to one party that might then beat them.

Do you think Celtic would rather rangers win all the games Celtic aren’t in contention for, or would they rather the points were spread around? It’s the same principle.
 
egb_hibs said:
So you are saying the tories would rather lose the election to labour than have a hung parliament ? Honestly T, all the stuff you say about English folk blindly voting for Brexit is so ironic in the face of this determined ignoring of the obvious!

The tories - any party - would rather they won the seats available. Second to that any party would prefer seats lost to be divided amongst rivals rather than accumulating to one party that might then beat them.

Do you think Celtic would rather rangers win all the games Celtic aren’t in contention for, or would they rather the points were spread around? It’s the same principle.
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Fuck sake eeg. You dinny half twist things and put words in other peoples mouths( sentences)
Where the fuck did Brexit come into this ? I never mentioned it, not even close. It’s another animal completely. So best probably we ignore it for now.
The Tories probably suspect they are not getting an outright majority in the upcoming circus. Westminster knows it’s on its arse, in danger of losing its status quo , where you only have 1 enemy. You for sure will be able to see through the bullshit ( or maybe not actually) where in the difference between the 2 parties is minimal once you wipe away the bullshit.

Your football analogy is closer to the mark than you think. When Aberdeen and United ruled Scotland for 5 or 6 years, the uglies were united in their hatred for them . It was back in the day of fanzines, and both their fanzines were full of vitriol for the noisy incomers and not their famous rivals. They wanted, and got , their status quo back on track, and they have never looked back, and I suspect they never will or want to.
You are ( I suspect) as long in the tooth as I am, and I know for sure, you will concede that was the reality of the situation. Losing to one of the “ shitty teams” was worse than losing to their “ great “ rivals.
 
tayside hibee said:
Fuck sake eeg. You dinny half twist things and put words in other peoples mouths( sentences)
Where the fuck did Brexit come into this ? I never mentioned it, not even close. It’s another animal completely. So best probably we ignore it for now.
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Yes, you haven’t mentioned it here, but you frequently make reference to things like that, implying a slavish following of political dog whistles. And that makes this conspiratorial stuff a tad ironic, like I say.
tayside hibee said:
The Tories probably suspect they are not getting an outright majority in the upcoming circus. Westminster knows it’s on its arse, in danger of losing its status quo , where you only have 1 enemy. You for sure will be able to see through the bullshit ( or maybe not actually) where in the difference between the 2 parties is minimal once you wipe away the bullshit.
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I agree there is little difference between the parties, and nor indeed are the SNP that much different from either other than where economic arrangements allow them to ride on the back of fantasies that Westminster cannot entertain. Other than that the same end-times liberal mania. They are a fucking far cry from the party I once saw as an antidote to all that bullshit. I remember saluting them on here for not appearing to hold the ordinary pleb in contempt as (at the time) Blair’s Labour did, not any more ; completely captured by the same whacko upper middle class radges he let loose.
tayside hibee said:
Your football analogy is closer to the mark than you think. When Aberdeen and United ruled Scotland for 5 or 6 years, the uglies were united in their hatred for them . It was back in the day of fanzines, and both their fanzines were full of vitriol for the noisy incomers and not their famous rivals. They wanted, and got , their status quo back on track, and they have never looked back, and I suspect they never will or want to.
You are ( I suspect) as long in the tooth as I am, and I know for sure, you will concede that was the reality of the situation. Losing to one of the “ shitty teams” was worse than losing to their “ great “ rivals.
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Yes, but that’s because Aberdeen and Dundee Utd could win the thing, for a time. They were genuine rivals. Celtic and Rangers wanted then, and they want now, teams that cannot threaten them to take points off teams who can. So it is with the tories and small teams like the SNP, versus their actual completion, which is Labour.
 
egb_hibs said:
Yes, you haven’t mentioned it here, but you frequently make reference to things like that, implying a slavish following of political dog whistles. And that makes this conspiratorial stuff a tad ironic, like I say.

I agree there is little difference between the parties, and nor indeed are the SNP that much different from either other than where economic arrangements allow them to ride on the back of fantasies that Westminster cannot entertain. Other than that the same end-times liberal mania. They are a fucking far cry from the party I once saw as an antidote to all that bullshit. I remember saluting them on here for not appearing to hold the ordinary pleb in contempt as (at the time) Blair’s Labour did, not any more ; completely captured by the same whacko upper middle class radges he let loose.

Yes, but that’s because Aberdeen and Dundee Utd could win the thing, for a time. They were genuine rivals. Celtic and Rangers wanted then, and they want now, teams that cannot threaten them to take points off teams who can. So it is with the tories and small teams like the SNP, versus their actual completion, which is Labour.
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I don’t think it is people acting to dog whistles. It’s people reacting to politicians refusing to listen to their concerns.
Then, someone comes in with what they want to hear,( with not a bit of sincerity in it) and the folk who can be bothered to get off their arse, will supply them with a cross.
Apart from that, we are going round in circles here. My passion for my feelings probably come over stronger than I realise, but I seriously do have an open mind (ish 🤨) in all these matters. I cannot , and do not polarise my views into thinking I think A so A must be correct. I do however trust my judgement in what I can hear and see.
 
moathibby said:
Watching it tonight.So far the SNP were mentioned in passing.Murrell not at all.Question Time is coming from Buxton. I suspect the story will get a mention on STV and BBC Scotland tomorrow.Are these two companies trying to divert us away from Sunak and the Tories?
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I'm abroad just now and the BBC news website goes all international.

Sturgeon's husband charged with embezzlement in SNP probe is the headline, Murrell by name doesn't get a mention even in the wee snippet bit.

It was the top story on page 1 international section yesterday.

It was the top story on page 1 UK section yesterday, now only second top story! 3 mentions elsewhere on the main page!

It was the top story on page 1 Scottish section yesterday and it's still there. 7 other linked stories on the main page.

The dodgy tory story has just appeared on the UK page, article 3. Even then it's not about him but the constituency worker who is appalled. No mention on the England page.
 
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