Michael O'Neill has turned down Scotland

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Seems like a complete waste of time. Either they tried to show he was the man for the job by no other names in the mix or it is just another prime example of incapable beaks running our game or should I say ruining.

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I really hope any replacement target comes out of left field. The last thing we need is another dud from the SFA Rolodex. I’m just glad Paul Lambert is out the picture.
 
You'd think Regan may have learned from the complete fcuk up his mates at the Hunnery made with putting all their eggs in the McInnes basket.
It seems not.

Yet ANOTHER demonstration of the incompetence of the highly paid but dimwitted 'leaders' of our game.
 
Billy Davies, Alex McLeish or if the SFA are feeling imaginative then it'll be John Hughes.

For fuck's sake.
 
O'Neill was the preferred candidate so it looks very bad.
He wouldn't have been my choice though. I think the Scotland manager should be Scottish.
 
Greenmachine said:
O'Neill was the preferred candidate so it looks very bad.
He wouldn't have been my choice though. I think the Scotland manager should be Scottish.
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Only downside to that is they pander more to one or the other of the bigoted two.

How many Scottish managers not tied to one of them?
 
Hammi said:
Only downside to that is they pander more to one or the other of the bigoted two.

How many Scottish managers not tied to one of them?
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I know but to be honest it doesn't really matter so long as they get a winning team on the park. Celtic are by far the best team in Scotland so their Scottish players should make up the bulk of the Scotland team, with Aberdeen's Scottish players also providing a fair share of them. One of Strachan's things which annoyed me was that he ignored the Scottish players from the second best team in the country. If the Rangers had any decent Scottish players I would want them in too, same with Hearts, Hibs or whoever, plus of course the best scottish players playing in the top English leagues. Nobody should play for Scotland who isn't playing regularly to a high standard for their club.

I think every country should provide a national manager from that particular country. For me that is what international football should be all about...providing the best that your country can produce whether it's players or managers.
 
The hacks are already falling over themselves to nominate The Cardigan or GJP for the position. I shit you not. Two arseholes who binned Scotland at the first opportunity at crucial points in two qualifying campaigns. If the SFA re-appoint either of these two cretins then it`ll be the last nail in the coffin of my interest in the national side.
 
Fritz said:
The hacks are already falling over themselves to nominate The Cardigan or GJP for the position. I $#@! you not. Two arseholes who binned Scotland at the first opportunity at crucial points in two qualifying campaigns. If the SFA re-appoint either of these two cretins then it`ll be the last nail in the coffin of my interest in the national side.
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I would go for Joe Jordan or Eric Black.
 
Greenmachine said:
I would go for Joe Jordan or Eric Black.
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Surprised at your choices there, GM.

Joe Jordan hasn't had a permanent managerial role for around twenty years or managed at all in the last ten whilst Black hasn't held a permanent job for fourteen years.
 
Stu said:
Surprised at your choices there, GM.

Joe Jordan hasn't had a permanent managerial role for around twenty years or managed at all in the last ten whilst Black hasn't held a permanent job for fourteen years.
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I don't think having been a club manager recently or even in the last 5 to 10 years should be pre-requisite for an international job as it isa totally different job from club management. Both the people I mentioned are respected Scottish coaches who have European coaching experience and playing experience and are highly respected. Jordan in particular is a Scottish international legend and for me with his experience abroad and t home and his knowledge of the game I think he would be a decent choice. To be honest I would have kept Strachan.

I really can't see a younger club manager touching the job. Even England ended up appointing an English coach from within the FA coaching school to do the job after a predictable run of foreign failures. Allardyce had too much baggage and shouldn't have een appointed.
 
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Greenmachine said:
O'Neill was the preferred candidate so it looks very bad.
He wouldn't have been my choice though. I think the Scotland manager should be Scottish.
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For me he doesn’t need to be Scottish, but he needs to know the Scottish game.

That said I’m not sure O’Neill’s style of play would really have worked with the players we have. The core of any starting eleven will have 5-6 Celtic players who are used to playing attacking football every week (even players like McGinn & Robertson), having to totally change to an ultra defensive counter attacking style for one off games may not have worked.

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Greenmachine said:
I would go for Joe Jordan or Eric Black.
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Based on what credentials?

We need a forward thinking manager who can harness the attacking options we have (especially given the fairly woeful defenders available), not a dinosaur who would do what every Scotland manager does in trying to nick a goal.
 
HibeeZab said:
For me he doesn’t need to be Scottish, but he needs to know the Scottish game.

That said I’m not sure O’Neill’s style of play would really have worked with the players we have. The core of any starting eleven will have 5-6 Celtic players who are used to playing attacking football every week (even players like McGinn & Robertson), having to totally change to an ultra defensive counter attacking style for one off games may not have worked.

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Based on what credentials?

We need a forward thinking manager who can harness the attacking options we have (especially given the fairly woeful defenders available), not a dinosaur who would do what every Scotland manager does in trying to nick a goal.
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Who would you suggest then ?
 
Greenmachine said:
Who would you suggest then ?
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Steve Clarke, Derek McInnes, Alex Neil...

The O’Neill saga shows there’s money to get the right man. The Scotland job should be marketed as a great opportunity to enhance your reputation (much in the way O’Neill has with NI) as it so high profile.

The alternative is a foreign coach with a track record at international level, assisted by some Scottish coaches.

It’s either that or Malky....
 
Greenmachine said:
I don't think having been a club manager recently or even in the last 5 to 10 years should be pre-requisite for an international job as it isa totally different job from club management. Both the people I mentioned are respected Scottish coaches who have European coaching experience and playing experience and are highly respected. Jordan in particular is a Scottish international legend and for me with his experience abroad and t home and his knowledge of the game I think he would be a decent choice. To be honest I would have kept Strachan.

I really can't see a younger club manager touching the job. Even England ended up appointing an English coach from within the FA coaching school to do the job after a predictable run of foreign failures. Allardyce had too much baggage and shouldn't have een appointed.
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Fair enough. Personally, I think it's too long to be out of the game to be anything more than risky. Trends change over such a period of time. Even after that yes, it's a different job managing a national side.

Out of a slightly Scottish meagre pool I'd be half tempted to ask Steve Clarke. I don't really have a problem with having a foreign manager though so I'd probably be looking on the continent for an experienced coach who could do things a little differently. He's at Nantes currently but someone the nature of Claudio Ranieri.
 
HibeeZab said:
Steve Clarke, Derek McInnes, Alex Neil...

The O’Neill saga shows there’s money to get the right man. The Scotland job should be marketed as a great opportunity to enhance your reputation (much in the way O’Neill has with NI) as it so high profile.

The alternative is a foreign coach with a track record at international level, assisted by some Scottish coaches.

It’s either that or Malky....
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All three of the managers you mention there are very good candidates on paper, but IMO it is unlikely that any highly rated young manager who is already managing a club will give that up to manage an international team. You are on a hiding to nothing. It's just not an attractive job for any young club manager currently in a job with a decent sized club. Michael O'Neill had only managed Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers prior to getting the NI job so that was always going to be a big step up for him but it was a huge risk.
 
Greenmachine said:
All three of the managers you mention there are very good candidates on paper, but IMO it is unlikely that any highly rated young manager who is already managing a club will give that up to manage an international team. You are on a hiding to nothing. It's just not an attractive job for any young club manager currently in a job with a decent sized club. Michael O'Neill had only managed Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers prior to getting the NI job so that was always going to be a big step up for him but it was a huge risk.
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It's interesting though that Michael O'Neill has enhanced his reputation by taking on a smaller national side in Northern Ireland as a young manager. We might say that it's the exception that proves the rule but it's certainly done good things for his reputation.
 
Stu said:
It's interesting though that Michael O'Neill has enhanced his reputation by taking on a smaller national side in Northern Ireland as a young manager. We might say that it's the exception that proves the rule but it's certainly done good things for his reputation.
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That’s how I see it. The Scotland job should be marketed as such.

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Greenmachine said:
All three of the managers you mention there are very good candidates on paper, but IMO it is unlikely that any highly rated young manager who is already managing a club will give that up to manage an international team. You are on a hiding to nothing. It's just not an attractive job for any young club manager currently in a job with a decent sized club. Michael O'Neill had only managed Brechin City and Shamrock Rovers prior to getting the NI job so that was always going to be a big step up for him but it was a huge risk.
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Alex Neil is wallowing around the championship, but must surely harbour ambitions of getting back to a premier league club.

McInnes has done an excellent job but can only take Aberdeen so far, yet doesn’t get linked to many top jobs down south, and with the Rangers job off the table the Scotland one may be the best way to boost his reputation. It’s either that or he eventually gambles on another Championship club.

Kilmarnock is surely only a short term move for Steve Clarke, but it depends what his ambitions are. Of the three I think he’d be the most likely to take the job.
 
Surely there is an obvious solution that's staring us all in the face?
One that would benefit all of Scottish football, and that fans of all Scottish clubs would welcome.


It's simple really.


As we know, that closet Fenian McInnes did the dirty on The The Rangers, and has left them with Murty holding the reins until a top class (cheap) alternative can be found.

The The Rangers are struggling to find the moolah to pay for a new manager (hence McInnes giving the paupers a bodyswerve) and as we all know, 'a strong The Rangers side' is absolutely crucial to our game and possibly even to life as we know it.

So......... lets have the SFA appoint Murty to the National gig, and obviously compensate The The Rangers accordingly. He's turned out to be sheer bloody brilliant at The Hunnery, so it's only fair that a million or two greenbacks....... apologies...... banknotes..... are given over to that nice Mr King.

So, Scotland get a manager with a decent pedigree (Hun background) who couldn't be any worse than Judas or Sir Walter Cardigan, and The The Rangers get a bag full of used tenners to bail them out again.

Everyone's a winner.

This WILL happen, and I bet Jabba or Keith Jackshun will claim it as their scoop, but it was mine first.

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They could pay us half a million for Lennon?
We could appoint Michael O'Neill after for a laugh.
 
Fritz said:
The hacks are already falling over themselves to nominate The Cardigan or GJP for the position. I shit you not. Two arseholes who binned Scotland at the first opportunity at crucial points in two qualifying campaigns. If the SFA re-appoint either of these two cretins then it`ll be the last nail in the coffin of my interest in the national side.
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Fukking nauseating innit. I watched a bit of ITV news and Gordon Smith was on there lauding Judas. These bastards can't see further than the end of their sashes.
 
could do worse than Steve Clarke, think he would take it if offered.

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definitely not GJP or Walter Smith, couple of pariahs

if money and time was no object would go to the Scotland friendly double header in Lima and Mexco city in May, what a trip that would be.
 
tricky said:
could do worse than Steve Clarke, think he would take it if offered.

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definitely not GJP or Walter Smith, couple of pariahs

if money and time was no object would go to the Scotland friendly double header in Lima and Mexco city in May, what a trip that would be.
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That looks superb, Machu Pichu is on my bucket list anyway, combined with a Scotland jolly could be the trip of a lifetime. No way I’d get a pass for that though! 3-4 years ago maybe..
 
Hibee Kev said:
That looks superb, Machu Pichu is on my bucket list anyway, combined with a Scotland jolly could be the trip of a lifetime. No way I’d get a pass for that though! 3-4 years ago maybe..
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Get her telt who’s the candy floss Kev
 
Dub said:
Fukking nauseating innit. I watched a bit of ITV news and Gordon Smith was on there lauding Judas. These bastards can't see further than the end of their sashes.
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I dont think Smith would take it anyway but it`ll likely be either Judas or the racist McKay.
 
Scott Gemill the new front runner.

Just a promotion really.
 
Sir Walter of Cardigan being touted for the job in the daily sevco!

How long has he been unemployed?

If the rumour is true I think it shows just how prehistoric our football authorities are, why we will never progress and ... ach, whats the point!
 
Jack said:
Sir Walter of Cardigan being touted for the job in the daily sevco!

How long has he been unemployed?

If the rumour is true I think it shows just how prehistoric our football authorities are, why we will never progress and ... ach, whats the point!
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Spot on...
Ive been done with the national football team for a while now, this will kill it stone dead, well tbh i think it is stone dead already! Our set up is laughably amateur
Absolutely stuck in the prehistoric age, and they wonder why our game has went drastically backwards
 
As I have said before no highly rated young manager currently in a job will leave their club to manage the international team.
It's basically a part-time job for "elder statesmen" of the game. Guys like McInnes and Clarke won't touch it with a bargepole because they want to manage day-to day at club level and build their careers there. The Scotland job is for managers who have finished at club level and have had some degree of success and know international football. I wouldn't have punted Strachan to be honest. Smith and McLeish are obvious candidates despite their unpopularity with many due to their hun background. I know I'm in a minority but I would have no problem with either.
 
Stevie Clarke seems an obvious choice, unlucky for killie. Don’t know if he wants it mind
 
Greenmachine said:
As I have said before no highly rated young manager currently in a job will leave their club to manage the international team.
It's basically a part-time job for "elder statesmen" of the game. Guys like McInnes and Clarke won't touch it with a bargepole because they want to manage day-to day at club level and build their careers there. The Scotland job is for managers who have finished at club level and have had some degree of success and know international football. I wouldn't have punted Strachan to be honest. Smith and McLeish are obvious candidates despite their unpopularity with many due to their hun background. I know I'm in a minority but I would have no problem with either.
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The problem is punting Strachan for Walter or ginger Judas prick. It seems pointless. They weren’t significantly better.
 
Greenmachine said:
As I have said before no highly rated young manager currently in a job will leave their club to manage the international team.
It's basically a part-time job for "elder statesmen" of the game. Guys like McInnes and Clarke won't touch it with a bargepole because they want to manage day-to day at club level and build their careers there. The Scotland job is for managers who have finished at club level and have had some degree of success and know international football. I wouldn't have punted Strachan to be honest. Smith and McLeish are obvious candidates despite their unpopularity with many due to their hun background. I know I'm in a minority but I would have no problem with either.
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Tell that to England who have a young manager.

Also, it has nothing to do with them being the "real rangurs" men that they undoubtedly are and more to do with both of them jumping [the Scotland manager]ship at the first opportunity. Worse still, they are both tax cheats who benefited from illegal EBT's. Why would you want them anywhere near the Scotland managers job?

To not punt Strachan would have been a disaster. The guy failed so why keep him on?
 
Purple & Green said:
The problem is punting Strachan for Walter or ginger Judas prick. It seems pointless. They weren’t significantly better.
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I agree it is pointless. That's why I would have kept Strachan.
Realistically he is as good as we could get IMO.

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Dub said:
Tell that to England who have a young manager.

Also, it has nothing to do with them being the "real rangurs" men that they undoubtedly are and more to do with both of them jumping [the Scotland manager]ship at the first opportunity. Worse still, they are both tax cheats who benefited from illegal EBT's. Why would you want them anywhere near the Scotland managers job?

To not punt Strachan would have been a disaster. The guy failed so why keep him on?
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Southgate came through the English FA coaching Academy and knows the international game back to front. They promoted him to the top job because, like in Scotland, no English coach currently in a job or of any real substance wanted it. It's a poisened chalice and everyone knows it down there. Allardyce got it because he was out of work so would take anything offered and when they found out he was a crook he was quickly emptied.

I agree Strachan failed to get Scotland qualifying for a major tournament, but IMO that has more to do with the lack of true international class players he has available to him as much as anything else. We have a few decent players at that level but not enough as has been the case for decades now. Several managers before Strachan failed as well for this reason. I also think luck has not been with us over the years. Whoever gets the job will have the same problems Strachan had. He isn't able to sign players so he has to make do with what the clubs provide for him and I'm afraid they are not providing enough international class players who are regularly playing at a high level.
 
With Walter, we'd get consistent, 451 football eeking out results. But he'd be at it for a few years maybe, beyond club management by now.

MacLeish will jump at the first sniff of another job.

Both are stuck in their footballing ways though. We do need someone a bit fresher, but there's nobody just now that stands out at all as willing, or likely to stick around.

Lennon, Clarke, Jack Ross, McInnes could all be relatively exciting. Brenda?
How's Alex Neil doing?

Honestly I've no idea where we should go now.
 
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