Kneecap

[Bofahibee]

Your not quite right ,it was because they openly supported hamas,a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Hezbollah actually. Someone threw a flag on stage and one of the band picked it up. A video of that later resurfaced after their gig at Coachella when they had called the bombing of Gaza genocide. Becasue of the video, he then got prosecuted for supporting a proscribed organisation.

 

[Bofahibee]

I remember that utter prick Mike Read being the first one to ban Relax

Yep - he called it disgusting and started a one man campaign to have it banned. One of my first jobs was working on the first video for Relax - to be fair I thought at the time, the shot of the big lad pissing on Holly and Paul was probably going to get them into another type of hot water.

 

[Sancho Panza]

Just saw these wallopers described as Goldie Lookin Sinn Féin.

 

[blue toon hibby]

Well, no matter how good, bad or indifferent they may be, they’ve generated 83 posts on a fitba forum so their hype must be working.

 

[paigntonhibby]

Is there nothing more tediously predictable as you having yet another pop at student privilege M

Glad to hear you're not outraged though I was worried for your health, maybe there's some hope for the world after all - tiocfaidh ar la mo chara

Thalla gu taigh na Galla mo chara na h-Alba ga brath

 

[Fernando]

Just saw these wallopers described as Goldie Lookin Sinn Féin.

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[Sancho Panza]

So attempts to cancel Kneecap are a huge threat to free speech but when they do it it's fine apparently.

Irish venue cancels "far-right" event after Kneecap, Fontaines D.C. and others sign open letter

An Irish venue has cancelled an event after a letter signed by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C. warned it would be a platform for the “far-right”.

www.nme.com

 

[egb_hibs]

So attempts to cancel Kneecap are a huge threat to free speech but when they do it it's fine apparently.

Irish venue cancels "far-right" event after Kneecap, Fontaines D.C. and others sign open letter

An Irish venue has cancelled an event after a letter signed by Kneecap and Fontaines D.C. warned it would be a platform for the “far-right”.

www.nme.com

Standard two tier stuff. See also Jews at the fringe.

None of them should be banned, much as one might like to see the (actual) far right in the bin with the islamo-left.

 

[Green Sleeves]

Standard two tier stuff. See also Jews at the fringe.

None of them should be banned, much as one might like to see the (actual) far right in the bin with the islamo-left.

There's a global struggle going on now between the neoliberal corporatocracies and their far right flunkies who want to trample all over democracy and civil liberties versus those who support free democratic societies. Those who support civil liberties, workers rights, human rights and democracy need to be careful about banning stuff though just cos they disagree with it. That said, petitioning a respected family venue to tell the far right sputniks to go sling their shite-stirring hooks elsewhere isnt a ban. The far right douchebags can always book another venue.

Also there is no such thing as an Islamo-left. That's the most laughable Christian fundamentalist political non sequitur I've heard in years. Standing up for an inclusive society, religious freedoms, and supporting Palestinian statehood is just being a decent human being. You can still be 100% against Sharia law, as most people in Europe are, on both the left and right.

 

[egb_hibs]

There's a global struggle going on now between the neoliberal corporatocracies and their far right flunkies who want to trample all over democracy and civil liberties versus those who support free democratic societies. Those who support civil liberties, workers rights, human rights and democracy need to be careful about banning stuff though just cos they disagree with it. That said, petitioning a respected family venue to tell the far right sputniks to go sling their shite-stirring hooks elsewhere isnt a ban. The far right douchebags can always book another venue.

When I read things like this I kinda marvel. Are you stuck in the 1970s or just opted out of uncomfortable realities?

I hate to break it to you but the challenge to neoliberalism is entirely the terrain of the populist right these days. The left below the age of 60 is about larping kristalnacht, tearing themselves apart over gender madness and acting as strikebreakers on behalf of said neoliberalism.

As for free democratic societies, do me a favour, that same contingent have never stopped working to undermine them while their neoliberal paymasters are busy implementing a surveillance society. The two are in lockstep in trying to smash any dissent from globalist writ.

as for these far rightists ; if they are actually the far right, ie those weirdos obsessed with the jews, fuck them. But no more or no less than those weirdos obsessed with the jews that Kneecap pander to.

Also there is no such thing as an Islamo-left. That's the most laughable Christian fundamentalist political non sequitur I've heard in years. Standing up for an inclusive society, religious freedoms, and supporting Palestinian statehood is just being a decent human being. You can still be 100% against Sharia law, as most people in Europe are, on both the left and right.

Christian fundamentalist non sequitur? Moved forward to the 80s now?

You're in for a rude awakening I fear. The islamo left absolutely is a thing from red brigades to Iranian revolutions to another bunch of naive weapons in europe today, and with Jezza Corbyn apparently intent on bringing it here. Far from 'Christian fundamentalists', French laicite types have been the most concerned until recently.

And the rest is just laughable; pick 'inclusive society' and 'religious freedoms' in a word association game, and 'the left' sure as fuck won't be coming back in response. An obsession with dividing all against all, attacking religion unless it can provide a useful alliance against the west is more like it - and you know it. You're not just a go along you know the intellectual history.

The preoccupation with Gaza out of all the world's hotspots I'll give you, obviously. The common ground where red, brown and green come together - and the last does not mean green in the sense of your user name and our team.

 

[aggie]

neoliberal corporatocracies and their far right flunkies

Lol. Ever been inside a large, neoliberal corporation? Having worked for a few years in the literal belly of the "corporatocracy", I can assure you that cultural leftism is very much the order of the day.

Keep on signaling that virtue, though.

 

[egb_hibs]

Lol. Ever been inside a large, neoliberal corporation? Having worked for a few years in the literal belly of the "corporatocracy", I can assure you that cultural leftism is very much the order of the day.

Keep on signaling that virtue, though.

Darn tootin it is, and its no accident.

I think some folk still think things are sorted over sandwiches with Harold Wilson. And have no conception whatsoever of the interests of the Gordon Geckos of the world as it actually is.

The left and global capitalism have effectively merged, and there are few things as poignant as the footsoldiers who dont get what the officer class are up to; but march in line anyway

 

[Green Sleeves]

Lol. Ever been inside a large, neoliberal corporation? Having worked for a few years in the literal belly of the "corporatocracy", I can assure you that cultural leftism is very much the order of the day.

Keep on signaling that virtue, though.

Not sure what pointing out basic economic realities has to do with virtue signaling but each to their own.

 

[numptyploom]

Not sure what pointing out basic economic realities has to do with virtue signaling but each to their own.

I read all this and still to this day, wonder what is the point of religion?

 

[egb_hibs]

Not sure what pointing out basic economic realities has to do with virtue signaling but each to their own.

Its surely worth thinking about those economic realities then, and how they arise today, rather than in the 1860s? In short, the reality of those realities.

Do that and its pretty clear who the actual flunkies are. It isn't the far right, and also it isn't those you are possibly gathering under that label, which is really quite remarkable inversion.

 

[Green Sleeves]

Its surely worth thinking about those economic realities then, and how they arise today, rather than in the 1860s? In short, the reality of those realities.

Do that and its pretty clear who the actual flunkies are. It isn't the far right, and also it isn't those you are possibly gathering under that label, which is really quite remarkable inversion.

Darn tootin it is, and its no accident.

I think some folk still think things are sorted over sandwiches with Harold Wilson. And have no conception whatsoever of the interests of the Gordon Geckos of the world as it actually is.

The left and global capitalism have effectively merged, and there are few things as poignant as the footsoldiers who dont get what the officer class are up to; but march in line anyway

"The left and global capitalism have merged"

This shows an almost Orwellian War is Peace inversion of reality.

But if you dont bother defining the left nor global capitalism then anything can be asserted with confidence. Such as chemtrails, climate change denialism, microchips in vaccines, Islamoleftism, and all the other weird conspiracy theories that cultists believe in.

 

[gun ainm]

Lol. Ever been inside a large, neoliberal corporation? Having worked for a few years in the literal belly of the "corporatocracy", I can assure you that cultural leftism is very much the order of the day.

Keep on signaling that virtue, though.

You'd likely concede corporates are not homogeneous though? Plenty of the big boys are now funding various (far) right/ anarcho capitalist projects, I'm thinking Thieli, Musk even Paul Marshall....you're right in a way that the vast majority of corporates were neoliberals to their core (at least outwardly), but I think many are seeing the economic system failure and pumping billions into that alternative? Money follows interest and the intellectual energy is on the right. You watch the general character change over the next few years, it's already well under way. It will partly be in response to other ideas that have less energy at present on the left such as wealth taxes.

 

[aggie]

You'd likely concede corporates are not homogeneous though? Plenty of the big boys are now funding various (far) right/ anarcho capitalist projects, I'm thinking Thieli, Musk even Paul Marshall....you're right in a way that the vast majority of corporates were neoliberals to their core (at least outwardly), but I think many are seeing the economic system failure and pumping billions into that alternative? Money follows interest and the intellectual energy is on the right. You watch the general character change over the next few years, it's already well under way. It will partly be in response to other ideas that have less energy at present on the left such as wealth taxes.

Of course — nothing in this world is really homogeneous. However, the examples you state are nevertheless still very much outliers — the exceptions to the norm.

Not only was my place of employment a classic corporation, but my job literally entailed meeting and investigating the cultures of other corporations.

Once again, I can state quite confidently — cultural leftism, broadly understood, is the norm.

They’d still of course invest where there’s money to be made, but that’s kind of beside the point — other than the obvious (oil, tobacco, etc) there’s never really a conflict of interest, and that’s partly the point.

 

[Ryan69]

Attention seeking whore that do shit music.

 

[egb_hibs]

"The left and global capitalism have merged"

This shows an almost Orwellian War is Peace inversion of reality.

Really ?

The culture inside corporations is as @aggie describes it. I can say that from experience across the UK, europe and North America. And the more brutally Gordon Geckoish they are, the woker they are also. Its not a coincidence.

We are not in an era of robber baron industrialists. The interests of the city and wall street are in open borders, government spending, financialisation and deflecting people away from labour concerns into identity politics. Same goes for other global behemoths like the tech giants.

Do those agenda items ring a bell at all?

Oh and plenty of those capitalist ball breakers are true believers as well. They have been shaped by the same universities and culture as the activist class, and their self interest is, after all, aligned to the programme.

I mean yeah the mercs are adapting to the Trumpian era - adapting is what they do. But its not through choice and its costing them a fortune, though i daresay the oil guys specifically are loving it. These guys were democrats for a reason.

But if you dont bother defining the left nor global capitalism then anything can be asserted with confidence. Such as chemtrails, climate change denialism, microchips in vaccines, Islamoleftism, and all the other weird conspiracy theories that cultists believe in.

Nice effort to lob something real inside a bunch of straw man nonsense.

You never asked for a definition of global capitalism nor the left, and I didnt think you would require them.

By the former I mean free movement of capital, labour and tax liabilities across open borders, financialisation, international supply chains and, crucially, labour arbitrage.

Which of the lefts due you want to described? The mainstream are aligned directly to the above and the socialisation of its consequences via a swollen state, which is its complement.

The 'radicals' are as well, but with added delusions that rationalise away support for things which in practice enable the above, by dint of alternative motives rooted in fantasy - globalised unions, a borderless socialist utopia and stuff that isnt to be taken seriously, and so isnt taken seriously, and in fact is useful given the practical outcomes. Meanwhile they also busy themselves with other more dangerous delusions such as globalising intifadas and the like.

I realise - and this is not a dig, in fact its closer to a compliment - that your political roots go back to an era where there the left were rooted in more rigorous and systemised ideology. But that's not today, not especially relevant anymore, and is any case completely and hopelessly outmoded by changes in the world economy and contemporary capitalism.

 

[EH17 Jimmy]

I see the supposed left these days as Christophobic, anti real women, worker hating because the workers never embraced the daftie ideals, pro big business, couldn't give a toss about folk born in this country not having a decent home to live in etc etc.

 

[gun ainm]

Of course — nothing in this world is really homogeneous. However, the examples you state are nevertheless still very much outliers — the exceptions to the norm.

Not only was my place of employment a classic corporation, but my job literally entailed meeting and investigating the cultures of other corporations.

Once again, I can state quite confidently — cultural leftism, broadly understood, is the norm.

the cultural component to this is key I think - I'm old fashioned enough to see the left as one that takes a materialist perspective and therefor the emphasis (admittedly unfashionable these days) on economic solutions to societal challenges. the retreat of the left into identity politics and its brief triumph in that sphere (imo over stretched and disingenuous) was unchallenging to corporate interests - they adopted or pretended to do in some/many cases so cultural left values because it suited their image and therefore economic interest even if it meant adapting their business model to a small degree (oil companies etc). I am sure your anecdotal experience is correct. I think the reverse of many corporate values (DEI the obvious example) shows these were principles that didn't run very deep in many cases.

They’d still of course invest where there’s money to be made, but that’s kind of beside the point — other than the obvious (oil, tobacco, etc) there’s never really a conflict of interest, and that’s partly the point.

agreed - i dont think that makes the politics of the current right anti-corporate or corporations fundamentally neo-liberal/culturally 'left' - its just that corporations by an d large exist to make money and they will seek to market to and reflect the culture within which they operate. There are of course ideological elements - Thiel I think is an example of that, Bloomberg on the liberal side (although crucuially not the left - see Couma vs Mamdani)

 

[Yogi B83]

Attention seeking whore that do shit music.

Don’t put yourself down mate; practice makes perfect