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ManchesterGreen said:
I can see the difference but his input was there on the table. Now if Ross didn’t listen to him then fair enough.

He had control at pars and kelty and what happened ??
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Fuck knows, I don't care about his managerial record.
I care about his standing as a coach, and he's widely respected.

Good enough for me.
 
Hammi said:
And leave him on his own?
Tryna break him rather than help make him?

The football needs to change, the staff doesn't necessarily need to leave.
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No that's obviously not what I mean. Again this season will show us more about Gray. As I see it his coaches bring very little. How often do fans cry out for a defensive coach or an attacking coach. There's something not right behind the scenes. Adding Potter won't help imo.
 
Hammi said:
Fuck knows, I don't care about his managerial record.
I care about his standing as a coach, and he's widely respected.

Good enough for me.
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What happened was he was brutal at two jobs so let’s just sweep it under the carpet. Yeh that’s the type of people we want at Hibs. 👍👍👍👍
 
Bangkokhibby said:
No that's obviously not what I mean. Again this season will show us more about Gray. As I see it his coaches bring very little. How often do fans cry out for a defensive coach or an attacking coach. There's something not right behind the scenes. Adding Potter won't help imo.
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Its impossible for us to know what any coach brings?

I'm not convinced there's such a thing as a defensive and attacking coach, there's so many areas to break that down into.

Like the rage that follows some folk around that we've got a former goalkeeper giving instructions to outfield players, but other coaches haven't even played the game and manage just fine.

We need to wait and see what team gets built, then see how we use that team. Then we can break down who and what isn't working.
But adding staff is a good thing, I can't see a downside to having more staff working with the players.
 
ManchesterGreen said:
What happened was he was brutal at two jobs so let’s just sweep it under the carpet. Yeh that’s the type of people we want at Hibs. 👍👍👍👍
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Being unsuccessful as a manager doesn't mean you can't be a good coach.
You do know they're 2 different jobs eh?


Carlos Queiroz, one of the best coaches to ever do it. Hopeless as a manager on his own.
 
Hammi said:
Being unsuccessful as a manager doesn't mean you can't be a good coach.
You do know they're 2 different jobs eh?


Carlos Queiroz, one of the best coaches to ever do it. Hopeless as a manager on his own.
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Come on mate , Carlos Queiroz ?

You’re talking about apples and pears here.
 
Hammi said:
Missing the point.
Forget it dude. Just going in circles
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Exactly. There’s absolutely nothing to suggest anyone should be getting excited about this appointment. His whole career has been sackings and resignations. If yourself or anyone else wants to bang his drum then fine that’s your opinion but there’s nothing to suggest we’re going to see a change in mindset next season.
 
ManchesterGreen said:
Exactly. There’s absolutely nothing to suggest anyone should be getting excited about this appointment. His whole career has been sackings and resignations. If yourself or anyone else wants to bang his drum then fine that’s your opinion but there’s nothing to suggest we’re going to see a change in mindset next season.
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Who's getting excited?
It's a coach ffs.
 
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Hammi said:
Tbf at least he's got the experience to be a proper assistant to Dave.
Coaching shake up is almost as necessary as some players currently imo.
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Then one or two should be leaving.

The Hibs management/coaching team is for me pretty uninspiring. We will play next season how we played last season and the season before that. We will try for incremental improvements which will likely see us again midtable.

All rather dull. Steady as we go.
 
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Smurf said:
Then one or two should be leaving.

The Hibs management/coaching team is for me pretty uninspiring. We will play next season how we played last season and the season before that. We will try for incremental improvements which will likely see us again midtable.

All rather dull. Steady as we go.
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Thats all Sir Dave. Not the coaches. They're tools at his disposal.

I don't know how they all are, I don't know if they're all good coaches or not. But they do the job set out to them and Dave makes all the decisions on how and what we do.
Can't blame Liam Craig and co for his issues.
 
Hammi said:
Thats all Sir Dave. Not the coaches. They're tools at his disposal.

I don't know how they all are, I don't know if they're all good coaches or not. But they do the job set out to them and Dave makes all the decisions on how and what we do.
Can't blame Liam Craig and co for his issues.
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I'm genuinely amazed that the board have sanctioned another pal joining giving more of the same of what looks to me a rather bloated coaching team.

Personally I'd have preferred to see our direction change but it's more of the same.
 
Smurf said:
I'm genuinely amazed that the board have sanctioned another pal joining giving more of the same of what looks to me a rather bloated coaching team.

Personally I'd have preferred to see our direction change but it's more of the same.
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Bloated? I'd say we're short staffed for the level of club we should be.

I'd rather see our direction change too, but that would include removing the manager and starting again.
Coaches are just coaches.

But it's up to Dave to be more adventurous.

I can't see a downside to adding coaching staff. I don't see why anyone would be against more staff that actually affects the first team.

Least it's no a director of technical relations or some similar nonsense. It's actually aimed at the squad.
 
I guess we'll see if it's been a justified appointment at the end of next season based on our league position. Raith supporters not very complimentary.
 
There really is some moaning faced bastards on here these days when it comes to SDG. Is he a serial shagger of folks Mrs ! Before SDG became manager, you’d think we have been some sort gallus Barcelona esque team for the the last 20 years.
Welcome back JP, here’s hoping you help us along to continue our improvement.
 
bigmanandy said:
Perhaps were aware things need changed up a bit hence the bringing in of Potter, maybe brings better guidance to Gray. Time will tell.
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Aye here's hoping Andy mate David Gray will never have us fighting relegation mate but he is a hammer thrower when it comes to football like another season of this dross bores me to tears just thinking about it 🤣 could be worse though we could have Lee Johnson
 
Hammi said:
Bloated? I'd say we're short staffed for the level of club we should be.

I'd rather see our direction change too, but that would include removing the manager and starting again.
Coaches are just coaches.

But it's up to Dave to be more adventurous.

I can't see a downside to adding coaching staff. I don't see why anyone would be against more staff that actually affects the first team.

Least it's no a director of technical relations or some similar nonsense. It's actually aimed at the squad.
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exactly my thoughts. Have four now five and that's including Gray. One Goalie coach and the rest to divy up between Defence, Midfield and Attackers. So 4 to take on each area and Gray to watch over and assess. If that's how it works.
 
Hammi said:
We don't know that, on either front.
But I'm ready to reset and start next season with fresh eyes.
I'll have issues if we keep doing the same things again, but for me last seasons done and we start again.

Signings should dictate what we do, if we sign players that can carry the ball, I expect to see us carry the ball as an example.

We're in a good spot, Hearts won't be able to manage what they done this season while playing in any European competition, so we have to make it count.
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Here's hoping Hammi mate. They've signed very well again this far, obviously we keep our business in house but a just feel we're slower than a week in the jail when it comes to getting bodies in the door. Ian Mackay on the long bangers podcast said he was at the AGM and he quizzed SDG about his tactics and the squad and SDG replied with "do you think this squad is better than last seasons? I don't think it is" well if that's the case why don't we have bodies flying through that door
 
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Bangkokhibby said:
The coming season is shit or bust for Gray's career at Hibs.
The cynic in me says he's been told to get help, He wouldn't have considered it himself.
The pessimist in me says Gray won't take kindly to being challenged as Potter can't possibly be there as just another yes man, and this is a relationship which will fail.
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From what lm getting told by a trusted source, help parties spot on . That’s fine and is normal in business world. Shouldn’t be seen as a negative. But must fitba managers employ yes men , that’s the worry . Potters recent jobs , bloody useless. And style of play under Ross was dull and boring.

I remember asking jocky scott and the AGM when he replaced Alex miller , why should you get the job etc etc . His reply as an assistant… you do what the manager tells you.

To improve the team , we need to be more expansive. Potter has no track record of being involved in a coaching team that played that style of football.
 
HibeeHibernia said:
Here's hoping Hammi mate. They've signed very well again this far, obviously we keep our business in house but a just feel we're slower than a week in the jail when it comes to getting bodies in the door. Ian Mackay on the long bangers podcast said he was at the AGM and he quizzed SDG about his tactics and the squad and SDG replied with "do you think this squad is better than last seasons? I don't think it is" well if that's the case why don't we have bodies flying through that door
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That never happened… Malky McKay said the squad is better than last season. Clearly he’d say that or he’s basically signing his own P45
 
Hammi said:
Bloated? I'd say we're short staffed for the level of club we should be.

I'd rather see our direction change too, but that would include removing the manager and starting again.
Coaches are just coaches.

But it's up to Dave to be more adventurous.

I can't see a downside to adding coaching staff. I don't see why anyone would be against more staff that actually affects the first team.

Least it's no a director of technical relations or some similar nonsense. It's actually aimed at the squad.
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Have you seen the backroom team , it’s ridiculous. More staff than players. I was away at pre season and like 22 staff . No wonder we lose millions
 
Greenpower said:
That never happened… Malky McKay said the squad is better than last season. Clearly he’d say that or he’s basically signing his own P45
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A seem to mind of that Ian saying that mate happy to admit am wrong. I do think there's a disconnect between Gray and McKay though because we sign decent players but they dinni appear to fit Grays system (Scarlett, Andrews, Suto etc) it feels like to me that we scattergun signings and hope one works out.

How many signings has Gray patched for the old co? Plenty! Our highest ever transfer fee doesni even get a look in under him!!
 
Greenpower said:
Have you seen the backroom team , it’s ridiculous. More staff than players. I was away at pre season and like 22 staff . No wonder we lose millions
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Im no interested in analysts, physios and directors.
First team coaching staff at Hibs is Gray, Craig, May and Samson.

We should have more specialised coaching imo. Fitness, goalkeeper, tactics, set pieces, attacking, defending.. there's room for us to tighten things up imo.
 
HibeeHibernia said:
Aye here's hoping Andy mate David Gray will never have us fighting relegation mate but he is a hammer thrower when it comes to football like another season of this dross bores me to tears just thinking about it 🤣 could be worse though we could have Lee Johnson
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Or Maloney, or Montgomery
 
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Hammi said:
Im no interested in analysts, physios and directors.
First team coaching staff at Hibs is Gray, Craig, May and Samson.

We should have more specialised coaching imo. Fitness, goalkeeper, tactics, set pieces, attacking, defending.. there's room for us to tighten things up imo.
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It’s not American fitba . If first team coaching staff can’t do tactics then shouldn’t be working
 
Greenpower said:
It’s not American fitba . If first team coaching staff can’t do tactics then shouldn’t be working
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Set piece coaches can make a huge impact, the rest can have specialities in defensive, attacking concerns. I don’t see the problem IF it all comes together. Football has moved on in so my specific ways i think it needs to do that with the coaching as well
 
Greenpower said:
It’s not American fitba . If first team coaching staff can’t do tactics then shouldn’t be working
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Doesn't need every single area to be specified. But we set up like a big club, million directors, big data systems. Why shouldn't we bulk out the coaching team? Less work for each member gives a better focus on each area.

Look big, think big, act big.
 
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