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moathibby said:
I think you said we're going to come 5th?We're currently 5th.
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Aye, it's all come out in the wash.
A mad up and down season for Hibs with bad injuries to key players and a few non performing signings..
The top 5 are as expected before a ball was kicked and only Aberdeen ahead of Hearts is a minor surprise which I'm putting down to their extra European games and bad injuries to key players. Similarly I'm hoping to see if Hibs can get well ahead of Aberdeen next season if as is likely they don't have a deep enough squad to play well twice a week for a sustained period

I understand folk wanted us to be better than 5th but from the hellish play of last season I think we have done okay especially given the bad injuries to key players, the sales of Doig & Porteous and two signings, McKirdy and Tavares, achieving the square root of zero.

We won't have 10 goals in 14 games Nisbet next season but hopefully Boyle comes back strong to help fill the gap with Youan.
I can see us being more consistent against the poorer teams next season and possibly finishing 4th but will wait to see our signing and those of our rivals before making an evidence based prediction
 
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I actually think the back four has looked more solid since Porteous left,certainly Fish seems to have flourished,I heard Porteous was a bit of a bully,not sure he and Hanlon saw eye to eye.But then I have nothing other than rumour to go on.
 
We will certainly have to replace Nisbet if/when he is sold in the summer, and bring in someone better.
That will be hard, but that's the challenge. Constantly improving the squad.
 
moathibby said:
I actually think the back four has looked more solid since Porteous left,certainly Fish seems to have flourished,I heard Porteous was a bit of a bully,not sure he and Hanlon saw eye to eye.But then I have nothing other than rumour to go on.
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I agree , i like the look of Fish
 
Jack K said:
Aye, it's all come out in the wash.
A mad up and down season for Hibs with bad injuries to key players and a few non performing signings..
The top 5 are as expected before a ball was kicked and only Aberdeen ahead of Hearts is a minor surprise which I'm putting down to their extra European games and bad injuries to key players. Similarly I'm hoping to see if Hibs can get well ahead of Aberdeen next season if as is likely they don't have a deep enough squad to play well twice a week for a sustained period

I understand folk wanted us to be better than 5th but from the hellish play of last season I think we have done okay especially given the bad injuries to key players, the sales of Doig & Porteous and two signings, McKirdy and Tavares, achieving the square root of zero.

We won't have 10 goals in 14 games Nisbet next season but hopefully Boyle comes back strong to help fill the gap with Youan.
I can see us being more consistent against the poorer teams next season and possibly finishing 4th but will wait to see our signing and those of our rivals before making an evidence based prediction
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You did say 5th, but based that on budgets too. I remember talking to you about it at the time.

Do you honestly think we've done okay?
I do think had Boyle not get injured we'd have a few more points, but not anything league changing.
We cant use Nisbets injury because we started the season with him injured, we should've been prepared properly for that. We should've had more goals around the squad.

It's madness that we're actually in touching distance of third considering how many shocking points we've thrown away. Mathematically possible, extremely unlikely.

The only clubs who's budget actually makes a difference are the bigot 2, the rest of us have it all to play for. Every clubs form is so sporadic it takes virtually nothing to go from 3rd to 10 and vice versa.
Ask Aberdeen, they came from nowhere to be favourite to third.

On paper we might be 5th, but if you look at the points we've dropped we really don't have an excuse to not be higher.
 
Hammi said:
You did say 5th, but based that on budgets too. I remember talking to you about it at the time.

Do you honestly think we've done okay?
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Injuries to key players and moneyball signings have killed us
None of the following have managed 15 league games due to injury, Boyle, Nisbet, Kurharevych, McGeady, Magennis and Miller
Tavares and McKirdy haven't even got off the launch pad yet
Hammi said:
I do think had Boyle not get injured we'd have a few more points, but not anything league changing.
We cant use Nisbets injury because we started the season with him injured, we should've been prepared properly for that. We should've had more goals around the squad.

It's madness that we're actually in touching distance of third considering how many shocking points we've thrown away. Mathematically possible, extremely unlikely.

The only clubs who's budget actually makes a difference are the bigot 2, the rest of us have it all to play for. Every clubs form is so sporadic it takes virtually nothing to go from 3rd to 10 and vice versa.
Ask Aberdeen, they came from nowhere to be favourite to third.

On paper we might be 5th, but if you look at the points we've dropped we really don't have an excuse to not be higher.
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I think next season will be the first up to speed season in Scotland since covid.
Hibs cut everything back to the bone which wrecked the team for last season and we were horrific.
They tried to sort it last summer but with the owners moneyball recruitment strategy still front and centre and McGeady and Boyle quickly totalled things derailed from the minute Magennis was sent of against St J. Even the owner realised it was fucked up and allowed LJ to take corrective action in January.
This summer will see further corrective action and with that should come more consistency of performance next season.
 
Jack K said:
Injuries to key players and moneyball signings have killed us
None of the following have managed 15 league games due to injury, Boyle, Nisbet, Kurharevych, McGeady, Magennis and Miller
Tavares and McKirdy haven't even got off the launch pad yet

I think next season will be the first up to speed season in Scotland since covid.
Hibs cut everything back to the bone which wrecked the team for last season and we were horrific.
They tried to sort it last summer but with the owners moneyball recruitment strategy still front and centre and McGeady and Boyle quickly totalled things derailed from the minute Magennis was sent of against St J. Even the owner realised it was fucked up and allowed LJ to take corrective action in January.
This summer will see further corrective action and with that should come more consistency of performance next season.
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Good analysis - I worry the change in ownership will maybe herald a different approach to recruitment; I just expect that to be negative but maybe it won’t. Maybe it’ll be positive.
 
McGeady, Boyle, Nisbet and Magennis have played precisely zero minutes together?

In fact I suspect the number of minutes played by 3 together is also probably close to zero.
 
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Hammi said:
You did say 5th, but based that on budgets too. I remember talking to you about it at the time.

Do you honestly think we've done okay?
I do think had Boyle not get injured we'd have a few more points, but not anything league changing.
We cant use Nisbets injury because we started the season with him injured, we should've been prepared properly for that. We should've had more goals around the squad.

It's madness that we're actually in touching distance of third considering how many shocking points we've thrown away. Mathematically possible, extremely unlikely.

The only clubs who's budget actually makes a difference are the bigot 2, the rest of us have it all to play for. Every clubs form is so sporadic it takes virtually nothing to go from 3rd to 10 and vice versa.
Ask Aberdeen, they came from nowhere to be favourite to third.

On paper we might be 5th, but if you look at the points we've dropped we really don't have an excuse to not be higher.
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We've also had a horrendous amount of "mistakes" go against us with refs and VAR which hasn't helped our points tally.
 
Purple & Green said:
Good analysis - I worry the change in ownership will maybe herald a different approach to recruitment; I just expect that to be negative but maybe it won’t. Maybe it’ll be positive.
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Can see us improving slowly year on year. There will fortunately be no more Tavares but there is always a risk of another McKirdy.
We will go back to trying to sign players we need, with a track record, that are better than what we have, are within our budget etc.
What is great about Hibs financially these days is that it's stability can sustain a global pandemic, a financial crisis and the owners bat shit transfer strategy and still come back fighting relatively quickly.
 
Jack K said:
Injuries to key players and moneyball signings have killed us
None of the following have managed 15 league games due to injury, Boyle, Nisbet, Kurharevych, McGeady, Magennis and Miller
Tavares and McKirdy haven't even got off the launch pad yet
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I agree with the rest of your post, and don't even disagree with this bit, but I dont think it's a good enough excuse.

Nisbet was injured before the season started, we weren't prepared and didn't fill his gap, we even got rid of Doidge to make it a bigger gap.
That's just piss poor planning.

Boyle, I'll give you, but he was a late signing and wasn't available beforehand, so we got lucky then very unlucky with his injury. Couldn't be prevented.

Mykola can play, but can't get up to fitness. Good player, but like Youan still isn't quite there, despite being impressive alongside the rest.

McGeady imo was a risk worth taking, his quality on the ball is clear for everyone to see and he didn't look like he wasn't bothered. He made an effort when he got to and it just wasn't to be. Unlucky, but expected tbh.

Magennis is a write-off, has been for long enough. Had no hopes for him this year.
Clearly a talented player, but he's defective.

Miller, Tavares and McKirdy aren't first team players and i won't consider them as such.


So in that, I can accept the front 3 players haven't been available at all, but we didn't plan properly.

I still believe that the rest of the squad is supposed to be more than good enough to play this league and pick up the points that we've lost.
I don't think the injuries have played as big a part as the club would want us to believe.
I dont think we'd be those 12 or 15 points better off, which is where i think we should be because its more than just efficiency up front that's cost us.


That turned into a bit of a ramble, I just don't think based on the strength of the league, that 5th is a good result.
Aberdeen managed to come from nowhere to 3rd while we've went from almost catching Hearts to being virtually out of it.

We bottke it virtually every time it mattered. Pre game, mid game, it doesn't matter, we're mentally not strong enough.
LJ knows it, but can't instill it.
 
Hammi said:
I agree with the rest of your post, and don't even disagree with this bit, but I dont think it's a good enough excuse.

Nisbet was injured before the season started, we weren't prepared and didn't fill his gap, we even got rid of Doidge to make it a bigger gap.
That's just piss poor planning.
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Nisbet has scored 10 goals in 14 league games this season. Best striker outside the OF and a step above the level we can readily recruit.
We brought in Boyle, Youan, Kukharevych and McKirdy which should have covered us until Nisbet returned.
I think the plan was to reach the World Cup break and then Nisbet would come riding over the hill.
They almost made it but the crushing Boyle injury against St Mirren was followed by an abject performance at home against Ross County followed by a strangely subdued performance away at Kilmarnock until they scored from a daftly conceded penalty. Boyle was out and Nisbet was yet to return and none of Youan, Kukharevych, McKirdy or Melkerson filled the void. I think if Boyle had been available to play in those two games we would have played differently and won both.
Hammi said:
Boyle, I'll give you, but he was a late signing and wasn't available beforehand, so we got lucky then very unlucky with his injury. Couldn't be prevented.

Mykola can play, but can't get up to fitness. Good player, but like Youan still isn't quite there, despite being impressive alongside the rest.

McGeady imo was a risk worth taking, his quality on the ball is clear for everyone to see and he didn't look like he wasn't bothered. He made an effort when he got to and it just wasn't to be. Unlucky, but expected tbh.

Magennis is a write-off, has been for long enough. Had no hopes for him this year.
Clearly a talented player, but he's defective.

Miller, Tavares and McKirdy aren't first team players and i won't consider them as such.
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I agree McGeady was a risk worth taking

Miller has been sunk by injuries this season
I think he will make the transition to starter next season. An exceptionally strong and athletic player.
Hammi said:
So in that, I can accept the front 3 players haven't been available at all, but we didn't plan properly.

I still believe that the rest of the squad is supposed to be more than good enough to play this league and pick up the points that we've lost.
I don't think the injuries have played as big a part as the club would want us to believe.
I dont think we'd be those 12 or 15 points better off, which is where i think we should be because its more than just efficiency up front that's cost us.


That turned into a bit of a ramble, I just don't think based on the strength of the league, that 5th is a good result.
Aberdeen managed to come from nowhere to 3rd while we've went from almost catching Hearts to being virtually out of it.
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Aberdeen have been fortunate with injuries. They had a decent team but dreadful centre backs. They picked up Duk from Benfica and we picked Tavares. They replaced badloss and the centre backs in January with the very good Pollock on loan from Watford and the serviceable Mcdonald. Hey presto, back in the groove.

Hearts like Hibs have had bad injuries to key players and had to play lots of extra European games.
Bad injuries to Baningime, Boyce and Halkett have badly hampered their progress this season.

All things considered I think 5th would be a reasonable finish for Hibs (No excuses for the League Cup exit).
Hampered by injuries to key players and a bat shit recruitment strategy from the owner.
I think LJ went with the cards he was dealt. He fronted up bigging up the signings and showed a united front although I suspect he would not have chosen to sign the likes of Tavares. He was obviously allowed to bring in McGeady and he was allowed to make adjustments in January. The players he brought in improved things.
I would stick with the manager. He is a slaver but he has improved players significantly including Campbell, Bushiri and Fish. I reckon he will continue to improve players next season, will recruit well and like another poster said I think he will move on of his own accord which will see us net compensation for him and his coaching team instead of having to pay a fortune to make it to happen.




Hammi said:
We bottke it virtually every time it mattered. Pre game, mid game, it doesn't matter, we're mentally not strong enough.
LJ knows it, but can't instill it.
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I think we should be able to recruit a similar/better striker than Nisbet when the time comes.
We signed him from Dunfermline and he had only very brief experience of to flight football with Partick Thistle.
If our scouting was what it should be then there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to get the next Nisbet from the lower leagues either up here or down south.
 
Jack K said:
Nisbet has scored 10 goals in 14 league games this season. Best striker outside the OF and a step above the level we can readily recruit.
We brought in Boyle, Youan, Kukharevych and McKirdy which should have covered us until Nisbet returned.
I think the plan was to reach the World Cup break and then Nisbet would come riding over the hill.
They almost made it but the crushing Boyle injury against St Mirren was followed by an abject performance at home against Ross County followed by a strangely subdued performance away at Kilmarnock until they scored from a daftly conceded penalty. Boyle was out and Nisbet was yet to return and none of Youan, Kukharevych, McKirdy or Melkerson filled the void. I think if Boyle had been available to play in those two games we would have played differently and won both.

I agree McGeady was a risk worth taking

Miller has been sunk by injuries this season
I think he will make the transition to starter next season. An exceptionally strong and athletic player.

Aberdeen have been fortunate with injuries. They had a decent team but dreadful centre backs. They picked up Duk from Benfica and we picked Tavares. They replaced badloss and the centre backs in January with the very good Pollock on loan from Watford and the serviceable Mcdonald. Hey presto, back in the groove.

Hearts like Hibs have had bad injuries to key players and had to play lots of extra European games.
Bad injuries to Baningime, Boyce and Halkett have badly hampered their progress this season.

All things considered I think 5th would be a reasonable finish for Hibs (No excuses for the League Cup exit).
Hampered by injuries to key players and a bat shit recruitment strategy from the owner.
I think LJ went with the cards he was dealt. He fronted up bigging up the signings and showed a united front although I suspect he would not have chosen to sign the likes of Tavares. He was obviously allowed to bring in McGeady and he was allowed to make adjustments in January. The players he brought in improved things.
I would stick with the manager. He is a slaver but he has improved players significantly including Campbell, Bushiri and Fish. I reckon he will continue to improve players next season, will recruit well and like another poster said I think he will move on of his own accord which will see us net compensation for him and his coaching team instead of having to pay a fortune to make it to happen.
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Some bold statements there Jacko.
 
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