Islamist threat as good as over, and stand aside Africans, U2 are here to save us

[egb_hibs]

"We think of music as the sound of freedom. We think rock and roll has a part to play, so going back to Paris to us is not just symbolic.
"I think we're actually starting the process of resistance, of defiance against this movement."

In the face of U2, the word hubris can seem woefully inadequate.

http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-35021180

 

[Smurf]

Man is a pretentious cock.

 

[egb_hibs]

Man is a pretentious $#@!.

Not even Bono. That was the man who, in his 50s, prefers to be addressed as 'the edge'. I've always wondered if close friends get to call him 'the'.

Either way, sounds like edge has gone over the edge.

 

[Davy]

Well tonight started pretty well when I saw reports of the guy who stabbed passers by in London tube station, and the shout from an observer..."your not Muslim Bruv", which then got hashtagged by many Muslims around the country who do not want this.

[URL=http://www.hibeesbounce.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=YouAintNoMuslimBruv]#YouAintNoMuslimBruv : How Twitter responded to Leytonstone attack - BBC News[/url]

Twitter users are posting messages including the hashtag #YouAintNoMuslimBruv to show their contempt for a man who allegedly stabbed three people at a London Tube station.
One man was seriously injured, while another suffered minor injuries during the knife attack at Leytonstone station, on Saturday.
The video of the aftermath of the attack shows a man being pinned to floor having been Tasered by police. It is then that you can hear an unidentified bystander shouting: "You ain't no Muslim bruv."
The phrase has been widely picked up by social media users who say it is the perfect riposte to attempts to spread violence and terror in London.
The first messages were posted shortly after the video emerged online on Saturday night.



Sadly as a reminder that things are far from over a report comes in from the express that 3 mosques in France are shut down for terrorist threat Mosques shut down in anti-terror raids | World | News | Daily Express

Police in France also arrested the owner of a revolver found during Wednesday's raid, France's Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said.

Security officials found jihadist documents at the mosque where yesterday's raids took place.

They have placed nine people under house arrest. Another 22 have been banned from leaving the country Mr Cazeneuve said.

France has been under a state of emergency since 130 people were killed in a series of terror attacks in Paris on November 13. Since then, some 2,235 homes and buildings have been raided, 232 people taken into custody, and 334 weapons confiscated.

Cazeneuve said the number of weapons apprehended so far is staggering.

He said: "In 15 days we have seized one-third of the quantity of war-grade weapons that are normally seized in a year."
This latest raid comes as authorities in a number of European countries crackdown on mosques suspected of being a breeding ground for extremists cells operating in the continent.

This week German authorities expressed concern refugees might be susceptible to radicalisation by Muslim extremists, who are using religion as an excuse to get closer to the new arrivals from Syria and other parts of the Middle East.

Officials said they have encountered at least 100 cases in which extremists have tried to establish contact with refugees. Those fleeing war and hunger in Syria and other parts of the Middle East, are allegedly being lured by rides, food, and shelter, as well as help with translation and traditional Muslim clothing.

In the wake of last month's attacks in Paris, many European leaders have called for the suspension of the continent's refugee program.

Some EU leaders have also started to question the Schengen Agreement, which allows the EU's 400million residents and many non-EU nationals to travel freely across the continent, without the need to show any ID or wait in long queues whenever they cross a border.

the sheer volume of guns seized puts paid to the notion that we have nothing to fear from these peaceful Mosques/Clerics :coffee:








As a little aside, I also read during the weekend that many church buildings have been destroyed or taken over by ISIS/Other Muslims, but that the churrch itself is rapidly growing in numbers and seeing a large number of Muslims convert through being sick of their own people killing each other...I say as an aside as I know not many people are interested in this here danni

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

Well tonight started pretty well when I saw reports of the guy who stabbed passers by in London tube station, and the shout from an observer..."your not Muslim Bruv", which then got hashtagged by many Muslims around the country who do not want this.

[URL=http://www.hibeesbounce.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=YouAintNoMuslimBruv]#YouAintNoMuslimBruv : How Twitter responded to Leytonstone attack - BBC News[/url]

Twitter users are posting messages including the hashtag #YouAintNoMuslimBruv to show their contempt for a man who allegedly stabbed three people at a London Tube station.
One man was seriously injured, while another suffered minor injuries during the knife attack at Leytonstone station, on Saturday.
The video of the aftermath of the attack shows a man being pinned to floor having been Tasered by police. It is then that you can hear an unidentified bystander shouting: "You ain't no Muslim bruv."
The phrase has been widely picked up by social media users who say it is the perfect riposte to attempts to spread violence and terror in London.
The first messages were posted shortly after the video emerged online on Saturday night.



Sadly as a reminder that things are far from over a report comes in from the express that 3 mosques in France are shut down for terrorist threat Mosques shut down in anti-terror raids | World | News | Daily Express

Police in France also arrested the owner of a revolver found during Wednesday's raid, France's Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said.

Security officials found jihadist documents at the mosque where yesterday's raids took place.

They have placed nine people under house arrest. Another 22 have been banned from leaving the country Mr Cazeneuve said.

France has been under a state of emergency since 130 people were killed in a series of terror attacks in Paris on November 13. Since then, some 2,235 homes and buildings have been raided, 232 people taken into custody, and 334 weapons confiscated.

Cazeneuve said the number of weapons apprehended so far is staggering.

He said: "In 15 days we have seized one-third of the quantity of war-grade weapons that are normally seized in a year."
This latest raid comes as authorities in a number of European countries crackdown on mosques suspected of being a breeding ground for extremists cells operating in the continent.

This week German authorities expressed concern refugees might be susceptible to radicalisation by Muslim extremists, who are using religion as an excuse to get closer to the new arrivals from Syria and other parts of the Middle East.

Officials said they have encountered at least 100 cases in which extremists have tried to establish contact with refugees. Those fleeing war and hunger in Syria and other parts of the Middle East, are allegedly being lured by rides, food, and shelter, as well as help with translation and traditional Muslim clothing.

In the wake of last month's attacks in Paris, many European leaders have called for the suspension of the continent's refugee program.

Some EU leaders have also started to question the Schengen Agreement, which allows the EU's 400million residents and many non-EU nationals to travel freely across the continent, without the need to show any ID or wait in long queues whenever they cross a border.

the sheer volume of guns seized puts paid to the notion that we have nothing to fear from these peaceful Mosques/Clerics :coffee:

As a little aside, I also read during the weekend that many church buildings have been destroyed or taken over by ISIS/Other Muslims, but that the churrch itself is rapidly growing in numbers and seeing a large number of Muslims convert through being sick of their own people killing each other...I say as an aside as I know not many people are interested in this here danni

It would be utterly mental to close the 100-160 Mosques predicted, using the Emergency Powers, unless they have provable evidence. Has nothing been learned since Bush, following the monstrous atrocity in 2001, jumped in with his wellies and included Iran in his 'Axis of Evil' speech, which everyone now acknowledges was wrong, but has had consequences we all could have done without. Whilst rightly going after the bad guys, FFS dinae alienate the vast majority who are the good guys.

BIG G

 

[egb_hibs]

It would be utterly mental to close the 100-160 Mosques predicted, using the Emergency Powers, unless they have provable evidence. Has nothing been learned since Bush, following the monstrous atrocity in 2001, jumped in with his wellies and included Iran in his 'Axis of Evil' speech, which everyone now acknowledges was wrong, but has had consequences we all could have done without. Whilst rightly going after the bad guys, FFS dinae alienate the vast majority who are the good guys.

BIG G

Where's that figure coming from G I couldn't see it in the article?

That would be anywhere from between 4 and (nearly) 25% of mosques. Sadly , were they to find evidence in respect of the lower end certainly and perhaps even the higher it would not be a surprise, given the way things are going in France.

Equally it may well be an over reaction of French poltical secularism which can be heavy handed - eg headscarf ban onwards.

You are right that there is a lot that hasn't been learned - I fear things that we still do not dare even question, eg perhaps where France has got to, isn't viable at all.

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Ps with regard to the other thread I started; if FN come to power heavy handedness will be an understatement sadly. They are on the brink. I suspect a coalition of other parties will get them past it this time round - but only increase polarisation in the longer term.

It's all eerily reminiscent of this French novel submission that's getting coverage in the broadsheets. Published the day of Charlie hebdo (iirc the author was featured on the cover of the then current edition) by enfant terrible houllebecq it fantasises about, some decades down the road, an Islamised France that first comes into being when the French left ally with an Islamic party to keep the FN out.

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Meanwhile in the uk the unraveling continues with judges (no doubt of the activist stripe) recommending this dechristiniasation of the U.K.

Unlike some people on this board more irreligiously inclined than moi - I'm not at all persuaded this is a 'Christian country' which is what the article leads with.

More questionable is the usual pitiful evasion of reality or exploitation of events to laughably imply Coe or rc schools help create the situation we now have through 'segregation'. Something that ignores the fact that Coe schools are overwhelmingly Muslim where that reflects their local area not to mention non faith schools and indeed universities having no impact at best - in unis it's worse; these temples of secularism don't seem willing or able to counter extremism while also being a forum for secularist madraasas to spring into being. If anywhere in our education system looks like being an active part of he problem it is unis.

We'll sail over the cliff continuing to blame ourselves for not being sufficiently deracinated or purged of everything bar an empty and effete liberalism.

If anyone doubts this, evidence is provided and made doubly poignant by France which of course has had ideological secularism imposed on its schools for decades and look how triumphant it has been

As gordonsmith7 says, we don't seem to learn. We don't seem to want to tbh, indeed I suspect some would actually welcome or accept submission if it was the price of destroying our existing society, while others are so Intent on the latter they don't care what it might lead to.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...hould-stop-acting-as-if-it-is-says-judge.html

 

[Davy]

It would be utterly mental to close the 100-160 Mosques predicted, using the Emergency Powers, unless they have provable evidence. Has nothing been learned since Bush, following the monstrous atrocity in 2001, jumped in with his wellies and included Iran in his 'Axis of Evil' speech, which everyone now acknowledges was wrong, but has had consequences we all could have done without. Whilst rightly going after the bad guys, FFS dinae alienate the vast majority who are the good guys.

BIG G

I do not suggest closing all Mosques. I was merely pointing out two situations from newspapers last night. One semi positive (because people got knived it wasn't all positive) and one negative. However the negative was that like it or not French Police found a wad of guns and other items in respect of the promotion of Jihad. No closing our eyes and wishing it were not true will make that go away. I have no issue with people who want to live here peacefully. I cannot recall anyone wanting RC Chapels shut down when the IRA were at their height. But if a heavy hand is required to find these people planning attacks then so be it. We are at war and we need to recognise that, even if some believe it is a war we caused

 

[emerald green]

Where's that figure coming from G I couldn't see it in the article?

That would be anywhere from between 4 and (nearly) 25% of mosques. Sadly , were they to find evidence in respect of the lower end certainly and perhaps even the higher it would not be a surprise, given the way things are going in France.

Equally it may well be an over reaction of French poltical secularism which can be heavy handed - eg headscarf ban onwards.

You are right that there is a lot that hasn't been learned - I fear things that we still do not dare even question, eg perhaps where France has got to, isn't viable at all.

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Ps with regard to the other thread I started; if FN come to power heavy handedness will be an understatement sadly. They are on the brink. I suspect a coalition of other parties will get them past it this time round - but only increase polarisation in the longer term.

It's all eerily reminiscent of this French novel submission that's getting coverage in the broadsheets. Published the day of Charlie hebdo (iirc the author was featured on the cover of the then current edition) by enfant terrible houllebecq it fantasises about, some decades down the road, an Islamised France that first comes into being when the French left ally with an Islamic party to keep the FN out.

- - - Updated - - -

Meanwhile in the uk the unraveling continues with judges (no doubt of the activist stripe) recommending this dechristiniasation of the U.K.

Unlike some people on this board more irreligiously inclined than moi - I'm not at all persuaded this is a 'Christian country' which is what the article leads with.

More questionable is the usual pitiful evasion of reality or exploitation of events to laughably imply Coe or rc schools help create the situation we now have through 'segregation'. Something that ignores the fact that Coe schools are overwhelmingly Muslim where that reflects their local area not to mention non faith schools and indeed universities having no impact at best - in unis it's worse; these temples of secularism don't seem willing or able to counter extremism while also being a forum for secularist madraasas to spring into being. If anywhere in our education system looks like being an active part of he problem it is unis.

We'll sail over the cliff continuing to blame ourselves for not being sufficiently deracinated or purged of everything bar an empty and effete liberalism.

If anyone doubts this, evidence is provided and made doubly poignant by France which of course has had ideological secularism imposed on its schools for decades and look how triumphant it has been

As gordonsmith7 says, we don't seem to learn. We don't seem to want to tbh, indeed I suspect some would actually welcome or accept submission if it was the price of destroying our existing society, while others are so Intent on the latter they don't care what it might lead to.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...hould-stop-acting-as-if-it-is-says-judge.html

or perhaps the multi faith group passed on their recommendations to reflect the UK wink and become more reflective of the country we live in. Embrace that we are becoming more inclusive EGB, let the other sects in

 

[egb_hibs]

or perhaps the multi faith group passed on their recommendations to reflect the UK wink and become more reflective of the country we live in. Embrace that we are becoming more inclusive EGB, let the other sects in

I thought I addressed that above. To avoid sidetracks into interminable old ground, they can say Britains not a Christian country and I would very possibly agree. But suggesting that the jihad will be stopped in its tracks by shutting Anglican schools is delusional at best, agenda driven at worst. And if anyone is for either reason determined not to see it, France provides a worked example - which is going less than swimmingly.

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I do not suggest closing all Mosques. I was merely pointing out two situations from newspapers last night. One semi positive (because people got knived it wasn't all positive) and one negative. However the negative was that like it or not French Police found a wad of guns and other items in respect of the promotion of Jihad. No closing our eyes and wishing it were not true will make that go away. I have no issue with people who want to live here peacefully. I cannot recall anyone wanting RC Chapels shut down when the IRA were at their height. But if a heavy hand is required to find these people planning attacks then so be it. We are at war and we need to recognise that, even if some believe it is a war we caused

Sorry but the analogy with the ira that people keep making just does not fit in so many ways. If we keep confusing isil et al as equivalent to the ira we are fucked.

 

[Davy]

I thought I addressed that above. To avoid sidetracks into interminable old ground, they can say Britains not a Christian country and I would very possibly agree. But suggesting that the jihad will be stopped in its tracks by shutting Anglican schools is delusional at best, agenda driven at worst. And if anyone is for either reason determined not to see it, France provides a worked example - which is going less than swimmingly.

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Sorry but the analogy with the ira that people keep making just does not fit in so many ways. If we keep confusing isil et al as equivalent to the ira we are $#@!ed.

why not? I see some parallels.

Islam...The extremists support violence as a means to an end...so did the IRA...I accept the Irish struggle was not to set up world dominance of religious belief of course

Moderates...while publicly saying they do not support violence, a vast number support the setting up of Muslim goverments and a great number Sharia law. Moderates in the Irish Catholic and wider community supported a breakaway from UK whilst not publicly condoning terrorism. Other Catholics stayed out of the whole thing...as do many Muslims who just want some peace

depends how you view it. But then perhaps we get caught up in the small details. I think we agree on the basic tenet of the argument but for some reason you always remain picky that every last sentence toe the line with your thoughts. No one has to agree with me by the way, and I do listen to what you say, but do find you nit pick a lot

 

[egb_hibs]

why not? I see some parallels.

Islam...The extremists support violence as a means to an end...so did the IRA...I accept the Irish struggle was not to set up world dominance of religious belief of course

Moderates...while publicly saying they do not support violence, a vast number support the setting up of Muslim goverments and a great number Sharia law. Moderates in the Irish Catholic and wider community supported a breakaway from UK whilst not publicly condoning terrorism. Other Catholics stayed out of the whole thing...as do many Muslims who just want some peace

depends how you view it. But then perhaps we get caught up in the small details. I think we agree on the basic tenet of the argument but for some reason you always remain picky that every last sentence toe the line with your thoughts. No one has to agree with me by the way, and I do listen to what you say, but do find you nit pick a lot

I'm not being picky, it's fundamental. A world wide movement with hundreds of millions of people sharing its broad goals if not its means, with tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of fighters, billions of dollars, it's own sizable state, capable of inspiring autonomous groups or individuals all over the world, reflecting 1300 hundred years of struggle and competing vision for the destiny of the world as opposed to the western rival vision, with whom no negotiable compromise even hypothetically realisable and who have no reservations about massive casualties or their own destruction, and who have have the will to use and perhaps before long the access to Germ warfare and atomic weapons - it's very little like a small national liberation movement with limited aims and no religious agenda. The iras catholic flavouring came from Irish ethnicity and Marxism played as important a role not to mention Protestants always being represented. It did not mobilise countless zealots across the globe and inspire everything to full scale military engagements to suicidal attacks on population centres and it never posed a threat to the future direction of the world.

Mistaking it for a comparable situation is fatal to our chances of dealing with it and I am doing anything but nitpicking. I may be wrong but I'm not pulling your chain.

 

[GORDONSMITH7]

Where's that figure coming from G I couldn't see it in the article?

That would be anywhere from between 4 and (nearly) 25% of mosques. Sadly , were they to find evidence in respect of the lower end certainly and perhaps even the higher it would not be a surprise, given the way things are going in France.

Equally it may well be an over reaction of French poltical secularism which can be heavy handed - eg headscarf ban onwards.

You are right that there is a lot that hasn't been learned - I fear things that we still do not dare even question, eg perhaps where France has got to, isn't viable at all.

Heard it on a Radio 4/Scotland news item M. A google brought up several like this M....

http://www.diretube.com/articles/france-likely-to-close-more-than-100-mosques_11172.html

No idea if this will actually happen. I hope their operation to root out the bad guys works, however the operation has to marry competency, intelligence, local knowledge and not be a cack handed approach. I have also no idea how they are approaching this to be honest. Time will tell.

BIG G

 

[Davy]

I'm not being picky, it's fundamental. A world wide movement with hundreds of millions of people sharing its broad goals if not its means, with tens perhaps hundreds of thousands of fighters, billions of dollars, it's own sizable state, capable of inspiring autonomous groups or individuals all over the world, reflecting 1300 hundred years of struggle and competing vision for the destiny of the world as opposed to the western rival vision, with whom no negotiable compromise even hypothetically realisable and who have no reservations about massive casualties or their own destruction, and who have have the will to use and perhaps before long the access to Germ warfare and atomic weapons - it's very little like a small national liberation movement with limited aims and no religious agenda. The iras catholic flavouring came from Irish ethnicity and Marxism played as important a role not to mention Protestants always being represented. It did not mobilise countless zealots across the globe and inspire everything to full scale military engagements to suicidal attacks on population centres and it never posed a threat to the future direction of the world.

Mistaking it for a comparable situation is fatal to our chances of dealing with it and I am doing anything but nitpicking. I may be wrong but I'm not pulling your chain.

I guess I was dealing merely with the fanatics who choose direct terrorism. The root of terrorism can be found in almost every culture. It is not the freedom fighting part, but those who think it is ok to bomb supermarkets/shopping centres. Then again world war two showed that neither Britain nor Germany had any problems with bombing the local populations to achieve ultimate goals. I prefer though to get back to the main topic. I have read a lot on the net lately and I wont post as it may be largely uncomfirmed, but it does appear there are so called moderate clerics who admit that anyone who offends the Muslim faith or Koran in any way is deserving of death....according to the Koran of course (a good get out of them personally saying they agree...yet clearly they do or why would they follow such teachings, if they read this as truth and continue to follow?) America is also reeling at calls that showing the latest female attacker's face should not have been shown for fear of upsetting her family and religion??? The world is surely getting to be a crazy and dangerous place

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Where's that figure coming from G I couldn't see it in the article?



I think he means here..found this later



'France likely to close more than 100 mosques' - DireTube - Ethiopian Largest Video Sharing Site

 

[egb_hibs]

The above I agree with. The reason I was making the point is this needs to be understood as a global phenomenon with the ability to inspire anything, anywhere at any time. The west hasn't known the likes since the revolutionary era.

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It's also going to put to the test the radical changes to society of recent decades and for which there is no historical reason to believe can survive. It's existential stuff.

 

[hibadelic]

Not even Bono. That was the man who, in his 50s, prefers to be addressed as 'the edge'. I've always wondered if close friends get to call him 'the'.

Even close personal friends must refer to him as Mr Edge these days. And no direct eye contact.

 

[emerald green]

I thought I addressed that above. To avoid sidetracks into interminable old ground, they can say Britains not a Christian country and I would very possibly agree. But suggesting that the jihad will be stopped in its tracks by shutting Anglican schools is delusional at best, agenda driven at worst. And if anyone is for either reason determined not to see it, France provides a worked example - which is going less than swimmingly.

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.

You havent addressed anything mate. You have added a paragraph which notes your disdain. I merely asked you to look at it from a different way, you know, so that other "faiths" are represented rather than those at present. Not sure where your " jihad will be stopped in its tracks by shutting Anglican schools" even comes into it. FFS eeg!

 

[egb_hibs]

You havent addressed anything mate. You have added a paragraph which notes your disdain. I merely asked you to look at it from a different way, you know, so that other "faiths" are represented rather than those at present. Not sure where your " jihad will be stopped in its tracks by shutting Anglican schools" even comes into it. FFS eeg!

My comment refers to the usual and ever more desperate guff about segregation that is quoted in its findings. I don't understand what point youre trying to make? what do you think I am failing to address? I've said I'd probably agree this is no longer a Christian country. What do you think ive missed? I don't know what's in your head unless you put it on the page - apart from the point about the nature of the country I've commented on the points in the article I think are relevant to the topic, which are more of the usual banal thinking that's got Europe where it now. If you want another point commented on you'll need to spell it out - your point about representation of other faiths, what is it you mean, I'm not clear?

 

[Doc Shrink]

Even close personal friends must refer to him as Mr Edge these days. And no direct eye contact.

You gotta feel sorry for his kids though. Sons Knife and Cliff weren't too badly affected but daughter Thin ended up with an eating disorder whilst at University in Glasgow.
Hardly surprising.
No doubt daddy thought it was a hoot to give his kids stupid names but in her case it was simply the Thin Edge of the Weedge.

 

[Braehead Cabbage]

Not even Bono. That was the man who, in his 50s, prefers to be addressed as 'the edge'. I've always wondered if close friends get to call him 'the'.

Either way, sounds like edge has gone over the edge.

The Edge slaughtered by The Eege

 

[Hibee Kev]

Either way, sounds like edge has gone over the edge.

Literally, in this example:

[video=youtube;rta9CHp7bEE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rta9CHp7bEE[/video]

 

[emerald green]

Have to say, what a great title this thread has

just makes me laugh when I look down the board at the threads

 

[Davy]

Guess U2 better get to Sweden and save them then :coffee:

Christians living in Sweden have been told to 'convert or die' by ISIS | Daily Mail Online