Is right wing violent populism now the norm?

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Bossie

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Recent events—such as the violence following Joe Biden’s election in the US, controversial pardons, political assassinations in Minnesota, and anti-immigrant riots in the UK—highlight a worrying rise in violent right-wing populism. This trend is fuelled by economic exclusion, political polarisation, the mainstreaming of extremist ideas, and online radicalisation. The growing success of far-right parties and the normalisation of extremist rhetoric suggest both the US and Europe are entering a new era marked by political violence and exclusionary nationalism.

Civil society can and must respond if we are to pass on any sort of positive legacy for our kids. Society must offer positive, inclusive alternatives to divisive populist rhetoric, focusing on wealth distribution, community, fairness, and the real-world benefits of democracy over despotism.

Sciery must collaborate across different causes and borders to amplify impact and respond quickly to threats posed by well organised, innovative and well funded network intent on division and accepting of violence.

It’s important to advocate for flexible, reliable funding that supports long-term work - addressing and reversing right wing violent populism is a long term battle for hearts and minds both in Europe and the US

Vigilance is needed to challenge laws that restrict protests or stigmatise our inclusive institutions and protect law-abiding activists and campaigners from mob and institutional violence.

We must invest in local communities and initiatives to help rebuild hope, understanding and trust and counteract exclusionary nationalism.

In short, while the challenges posed by violent right-wing populism are significant, society’s strength lies in its ability to unite, adapt, and uphold hope—defending democratic through solidarity, innovation, and resilience.
 
Notice you've no mentioned violent left wing riots Bossie.

Political assassinations of so called right wing politicians. Attacks on them as well.

It's a two way street mate. ALL extremes are bad news.

Why are those on the left so far out of touch with working class folk in the housing schemes do you think?
 

Hatred of police not racism motivated children in English riots, report finds.​

Children’s commissioner says young people involved in disorder felt disempowered and saw chance to retaliate


www.theguardian.com

Hatred of police not racism motivated children in English riots, report finds

Children’s commissioner says young people involved in disorder felt disempowered and saw chance to retaliate
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Or are attacks on political opponents alright if it's politicians that the left do not like?

There's a few names in the article below who have been attacked.......


 
Political violence is certainly on the rise, though you might want to open your other eye Bossie.

In the US we have just had two Democrats shot by a Republican supporting crackpot. This follows on the heels of far left cranks murdering two Jews and a CEO. Their anti semitic chums have also attacked Jewish American civilians and politicians, setting both people and property ablaze.

The inferno of violence whipped up by the American left that has in recent years left dozens dead, parts of cities in ashes and others controlled by mobs of thugs for extended periods (with establishment facilitation), and seen attempts to wipe out chunks of the GOP, has found its counterpart in the hillybilly revolutionaries of January 6th and numerous individual dafties seeking pedophiles in pizza shops, and the like. Out in the prairies the serious anti government maniacs of the 90s may still lurk, awaiting their moment.

Meanwhile there are the harder to place odd jobs, who are perhaps just mental but finding their expression through the fevered climate the ivy league and media have nurtured, and which has latterly been reciprocated by maga nuts. I am thinking, for example, of members of the cohort of would be Trump assassins. And finally there are the oddities perhaps sitting outside's Europe's experience such as the 'anti natalist' goon who recently tried to blow up a reproductive health facility in protest at humans being born without their consent - and in so doing succeeded only in retrospectively addressing his own complaints in this area.

Europe does seem a little more tilted in the direction of proletarian discontent, but as left wing ideologues used to argue, violence is the recourse of the powerless. In europe a soft handed bourgeois left does its violence through the instruments of state, inexorably choking off civic freedoms and throwing deplorables in the clink. However it will need its streetfighters in coming years and seems to be pursuing alliances with Islamism - by several million miles the team to catch in contemporary political violence. Whether its colonial vision of pallid public schoolboys marshaling their dusky troops against the proletariat has legs, or whether it is a suicidal exercise in riding tigers, time will tell.

But proletarian revolution is indeed brewing. Most of it not really right wing in any recognisable sense outside the aristocracy's box of demonising rhetorical tools. Revolutionaries are seldom pretty and generally have bad guys among them driving the momentum. Its little different here.

All in all a baleful picture with many historical echoes. The contours are taking shape, a decadent and authoritarian establishment and its army of virtual strikebreakers on one hand, and a motley crew of exploited malcontents on the other. The former with the state's stormtroopers on its side and preparing its jihadi irregulars, the latter with some aging football hooligans at it's disposal, insofar as COPD and high blood pressure allow them to be mobile. Europe's several dozen neo nazis flit between camps, joining the boss class jugend for Jews hunts and the proles when legitimate grievance can be harnessed to pursue other agendas.

For now we are, islamists aside, largely at the pissing about stage. Unless you are a young girl or a French jew you aren't really in much danger from our brewing tumult - though both fringes have murdered MPs in the UK.

But that's not going to last and serious violence is coming.

What can be done? Who knows and its probably too late. But we could certainly start with root causes; progressive extremism and the venal capitalism it enables. Sadly this is unlikely while these forces exert hegemonic control over public life. And so the falcon will continue to fly further from the falconer, and a rough beast slouch towards Bethlehem, its hour almost come.
 
Bossie said:
Recent events—such as the violence following Joe Biden’s election in the US, controversial pardons, political assassinations in Minnesota, and anti-immigrant riots in the UK—highlight a worrying rise in violent right-wing populism. This trend is fuelled by economic exclusion, political polarisation, the mainstreaming of extremist ideas, and online radicalisation. The growing success of far-right parties and the normalisation of extremist rhetoric suggest both the US and Europe are entering a new era marked by political violence and exclusionary nationalism.

Civil society can and must respond if we are to pass on any sort of positive legacy for our kids. Society must offer positive, inclusive alternatives to divisive populist rhetoric, focusing on wealth distribution, community, fairness, and the real-world benefits of democracy over despotism.

Sciery must collaborate across different causes and borders to amplify impact and respond quickly to threats posed by well organised, innovative and well funded network intent on division and accepting of violence.

It’s important to advocate for flexible, reliable funding that supports long-term work - addressing and reversing right wing violent populism is a long term battle for hearts and minds both in Europe and the US

Vigilance is needed to challenge laws that restrict protests or stigmatise our inclusive institutions and protect law-abiding activists and campaigners from mob and institutional violence.

We must invest in local communities and initiatives to help rebuild hope, understanding and trust and counteract exclusionary nationalism.

In short, while the challenges posed by violent right-wing populism are significant, society’s strength lies in its ability to unite, adapt, and uphold hope—defending democratic through solidarity, innovation, and resilience.
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Why are anti immigrant riots right wing?
 
Bossie said:
Recent events—such as the violence following Joe Biden’s election in the US, controversial pardons, political assassinations in Minnesota, and anti-immigrant riots in the UK—highlight a worrying rise in violent right-wing populism. This trend is fuelled by economic exclusion, political polarisation, the mainstreaming of extremist ideas, and online radicalisation. The growing success of far-right parties and the normalisation of extremist rhetoric suggest both the US and Europe are entering a new era marked by political violence and exclusionary nationalism.

Civil society can and must respond if we are to pass on any sort of positive legacy for our kids. Society must offer positive, inclusive alternatives to divisive populist rhetoric, focusing on wealth distribution, community, fairness, and the real-world benefits of democracy over despotism.

Sciery must collaborate across different causes and borders to amplify impact and respond quickly to threats posed by well organised, innovative and well funded network intent on division and accepting of violence.

It’s important to advocate for flexible, reliable funding that supports long-term work - addressing and reversing right wing violent populism is a long term battle for hearts and minds both in Europe and the US

Vigilance is needed to challenge laws that restrict protests or stigmatise our inclusive institutions and protect law-abiding activists and campaigners from mob and institutional violence.

We must invest in local communities and initiatives to help rebuild hope, understanding and trust and counteract exclusionary nationalism.

In short, while the challenges posed by violent right-wing populism are significant, society’s strength lies in its ability to unite, adapt, and uphold hope—defending democratic through solidarity, innovation, and resilience.
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You are of course absolutely right and while I was reading it I was thinking the usual suspects will be along to say what about the left wing violence - err the clue was in the thread title - and others will be along to deflect and give multiple examples of violence but off topic.

I'm surprised you weren't called woke.
 
Bossie said:
Recent events—such as the violence following Joe Biden’s election in the US, controversial pardons, political assassinations in Minnesota, and anti-immigrant riots in the UK—highlight a worrying rise in violent right-wing populism. This trend is fuelled by economic exclusion, political polarisation, the mainstreaming of extremist ideas, and online radicalisation. The growing success of far-right parties and the normalisation of extremist rhetoric suggest both the US and Europe are entering a new era marked by political violence and exclusionary nationalism.

Civil society can and must respond if we are to pass on any sort of positive legacy for our kids. Society must offer positive, inclusive alternatives to divisive populist rhetoric, focusing on wealth distribution, community, fairness, and the real-world benefits of democracy over despotism.

Sciery must collaborate across different causes and borders to amplify impact and respond quickly to threats posed by well organised, innovative and well funded network intent on division and accepting of violence.

It’s important to advocate for flexible, reliable funding that supports long-term work - addressing and reversing right wing violent populism is a long term battle for hearts and minds both in Europe and the US

Vigilance is needed to challenge laws that restrict protests or stigmatise our inclusive institutions and protect law-abiding activists and campaigners from mob and institutional violence.

We must invest in local communities and initiatives to help rebuild hope, understanding and trust and counteract exclusionary nationalism.

In short, while the challenges posed by violent right-wing populism are significant, society’s strength lies in its ability to unite, adapt, and uphold hope—defending democratic through solidarity, innovation, and resilience.
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Well you got the reaction I'm sure you anticipated.
 
Jack said:
You are of course absolutely right and while I was reading it I was thinking the usual suspects will be along to say what about the left wing violence - err the clue was in the thread title - and others will be along to deflect and give multiple examples of violence but off topic.

I'm surprised you weren't called woke.
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Maniacs :lauff:

I look forward to you and Bossie raging about black crime, gay pedos and Albanian gangsters then clutching your pearls as less blinkered colleagues note the wider picture.

Keep serving the man Jacko, they despise you for you service.
 
Jack said:
You are of course absolutely right and while I was reading it I was thinking the usual suspects will be along to say what about the left wing violence - err the clue was in the thread title - and others will be along to deflect and give multiple examples of violence but off topic.

I'm surprised you weren't called woke.
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Damn that whataboutery
 
I'm pretty sure the left is far more violent than the right.

Though the time is coming that a section of people are going to get violent.

Time and time again,these wankers get elected to represent the people...and do the opposite every bloody time.

These people in Governments are merely puppets,carrying out the unelected Globalists agenda.

Why do you think questions in real time are met by reading a script???
Is it not obvious yet?
 
Ryan69 said:
I'm pretty sure the left is far more violent than the right.

Though the time is coming that a section of people are going to get violent.

Time and time again,these wankers get elected to represent the people...and do the opposite every bloody time.

These people in Governments are merely puppets,carrying out the unelected Globalists agenda.

Why do you think questions in real time are met by reading a script???
Is it not obvious yet?
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Its just occurred to me Ryan. Are you and Bossie the same person, taking turns in trolling up debate with the most unhinged, post-reality wibble either side of our rich tapestry has to offer?
 
egb_hibs said:
You don't know what that word means BK. This much has been tested to destruction.
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No sir...YOU dont know what it means as similar tests have proved.
Anyway that was three words. If I'd wanted it taken a certain way I'd have used an emoji. I deliberately left it to see who/what came along. This place is far too serious.
 
egb_hibs said:
Its just occurred to me Ryan. Are you and Bossie the same person, taking turns in trolling up debate with the most unhinged, post-reality wibble either side of our rich tapestry has to offer?
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Are you for real?
I'm 100% not whoever that is.

I often wonder what percentage of the time you use ChatGPT instead of rational thinking.
 
Is it all right wing? Easy term to dismiss people's feelings. Does being nationalistic make you right wing? Better include SNO supporters then! Does not wanting illegal immigrants flooding your country? Better sdd several African countries then. Does wanting to preserve life and not have abortions up to 35 weeks make you extreme? Better include the Pope and other church leaders as well as many unbelievers but intelligent, compassionate people.

Having a particular opinion on a subject Does not give you the right to violent opposition, but neither does it make you right wing.
 
Bangkokhibby said:
No sir...YOU dont know what it means as similar tests have proved.
Anyway that was three words. If I'd wanted it taken a certain way I'd have used an emoji. I deliberately left it to see who/what came along. This place is far too serious.
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Fair play on the latter but its not a bypass for the former.

Whataboutery is deflecting from x with y; for example see Archie's inability to engage on discussion of the Labour party without referencing unrelated SNP matters.

Describing the full picture of x, when ideological zealots want to avoid that for their own purposes, is not whataboutery!
 
Davy said:
Is it all right wing? Easy term to dismiss people's feelings. Does being nationalistic make you right wing? Better include SNO supporters then! Does not wanting illegal immigrants flooding your country? Better sdd several African countries then. Does wanting to preserve life and not have abortions up to 35 weeks make you extreme? Better include the Pope and other church leaders as well as many unbelievers but intelligent, compassionate people.

Having a particular opinion on a subject Does not give you the right to violent opposition, but neither does it make you right wing.
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Its literally meaningless these days. We have those who support more extreme versions of Thatcherism denouncing people trying to defend labour interests as 'right wing'. We have people asserting basic biological reality accused of being 'right wing'. We have black people who don't do what white liberals want, accused of white supremacy.

Utter nonsense. The death rattles of a dying authoritarian order that has gone mad.
 
Ryan69 said:
Are you for real?
I'm 100% not whoever that is.
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It was in jest, but you are two peas in a pod. Yous both represent the mirror-image madnesses of our times; completely uninterested in reality and wrapped up in self serving fictions.
Ryan69 said:
I often wonder what percentage of the time you use ChatGPT instead of rational thinking.
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Bossie actually does use gpt on occasion. The formatting is a tell.

Saying things you don't like, isnt.
 
Jack said:
You are of course absolutely right and while I was reading it I was thinking the usual suspects will be along to say what about the left wing violence - err the clue was in the thread title - and others will be along to deflect and give multiple examples of violence but off topic.

I'm surprised you weren't called woke.
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Well addressing the title of the thread then Jack I think yes populist violence will not be shoved back in the box.

The establishment have ignored folk for too long.

They are now reaping what they have sown
 
Archie said:
Gosh we're getting the complete playbook today!
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Gosh indeed Archie. After the truly despicable stuff you posted on that particular subject I would have thought perhaps a period of reflection and regrouping might be in order.

You've have a 'mare of a year tbh; way out ahead of the pack in trying to gaslight the world on Biden's condition and grooming gangs, only to find the less blinkered - or perhaps just more expedient - poo bahs you loyally defend, pulling the rug on you.

If you were to spin any harder i fear you may collapse in on yourself: leaving a small black hole, that light itself cannot escape.
 
Bossie said:
Recent events—such as the violence following Joe Biden’s election in the US, controversial pardons, political assassinations in Minnesota, and anti-immigrant riots in the UK—highlight a worrying rise in violent right-wing populism. This trend is fuelled by economic exclusion, political polarisation, the mainstreaming of extremist ideas, and online radicalisation. The growing success of far-right parties and the normalisation of extremist rhetoric suggest both the US and Europe are entering a new era marked by political violence and exclusionary nationalism.

Civil society can and must respond if we are to pass on any sort of positive legacy for our kids. Society must offer positive, inclusive alternatives to divisive populist rhetoric, focusing on wealth distribution, community, fairness, and the real-world benefits of democracy over despotism.

Sciery must collaborate across different causes and borders to amplify impact and respond quickly to threats posed by well organised, innovative and well funded network intent on division and accepting of violence.

It’s important to advocate for flexible, reliable funding that supports long-term work - addressing and reversing right wing violent populism is a long term battle for hearts and minds both in Europe and the US

Vigilance is needed to challenge laws that restrict protests or stigmatise our inclusive institutions and protect law-abiding activists and campaigners from mob and institutional violence.

We must invest in local communities and initiatives to help rebuild hope, understanding and trust and counteract exclusionary nationalism.

In short, while the challenges posed by violent right-wing populism are significant, society’s strength lies in its ability to unite, adapt, and uphold hope—defending democratic through solidarity, innovation, and resilience.
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There are a lot more important problems than Sri Lanka to worry about. Well, we have to end apartheid, for one, slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
 
aggie said:
There are a lot more important problems than Sri Lanka to worry about. Well, we have to end apartheid, for one, slow down the nuclear arms race, stop terrorism and world hunger. We have to provide food and shelter for the homeless and oppose racial discrimination and promote civil rights, while also promoting equal rights for women. We have to encourage a return to traditional moral values. Most importantly, we have to promote general social concern and less materialism in young people.
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I'm quite the pessimist when it comes to humanity. How do you feel about all this actually happening? Pick your own time scale.
 
egb_hibs said:
Think he's taking the piss out of Bossie's (possibly AI powered) miss world speech!
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Yes, sorry, not everyone a film dweeb like me -- it's Patrick Bateman's parodic speech from American Psycho. Bossie's thing just made me think of it.
 
aggie said:
Yes, sorry, not everyone a film dweeb like me -- it's Patrick Bateman's parodic speech from American Psycho. Bossie's thing just made me think of it.
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That book nails woke capitalism, and the nature of its soul, well ahead of its time.
 
egb_hibs said:
That book nails woke capitalism, and the nature of its soul, well ahead of its time.
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Aye that was some read. The film was shite the same as Bonfire of the Vanities.

Two good books and two crap film versions.
 
EH17 Jimmy said:
Aye that was some read. The film was shite the same as Bonfire of the Vanities.

Two good books and two crap film versions.
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A strange book which I found hard to read, in more than one sense. Its deliberately boring which I found, well, boring, but then realised how clever it is. These shallow automatons bump around spouting platitudes and grasping dollars in an utterly emptied existence, not even recognising each other as they're all so hollowed out. Which of course is enlivened for the protagonist by the pornographic violence he unleashes (or fantasises about - where do you stand on whether its all in his head?)

The characters would probably have been republicans back then, but a million miles from consevatism; you can see in them what found its full form in 00s and 10s woke capital. They'd be democrats now.
 
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