Irish PM apologises

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Davy said:
Though I think it is maybe the church who should be apologising and paying out.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21326221
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I agree but the state colluded in these massively - some state institutions even used them for cheap labour, such as the Army. Generally the state allowed the religious orders to operate without oversight or any accountability whatsoever, free from the scrutiny applied to any other institution, particularly commercial enterprises which is what these where, and failed to protect its citizens from their excesses.

Equally shocking is the Irish mental hospital system in the 20th century which has yet to receive due attentio i the media
 
I would be appalled if any of our Private Members were involved in this.

I know its only a fiver but its kept the riff raff out - until recently!
 
Another outrage swept under the carpet involving religion. If they were a media outlet they would be facing calls to be broken up and lose their monopoly...
 
Smurfy said:
Another outrage swept under the carpet involving religion. If they were a media outlet they would be facing calls to be broken up and lose their monopoly...
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From what i gather from the article, the charge seems to be that workhouses were harsh places. Maybe there's more to it, but you'd expect suitably ejaculatory coverage from the ministry of propaganda were that the case.

And workhouses being harsh places is, I can assure you, not the sole preserve of taigery.

You really want to take a chill pill Smurf. Ever since the Arbeit-reich collapsed, your ban em and gag em impulses seem to be careening off in every fashionable direction.

You're comparison of religion to the BBC meanwhile is hilarious. They don't have any monopoly, but good luck trying to break them up!
 
egb_hibs said:
From what i gather from the article, the charge seems to be that workhouses were harsh places. Maybe there's more to it, but you'd expect suitably ejaculatory coverage from the ministry of propaganda were that the case.

And workhouses being harsh places is, I can assure you, not the sole preserve of taigery.

You really want to take a chill pill Smurf. Ever since the Arbeit-reich collapsed, your ban em and gag em impulses seem to be careening off in every fashionable direction.

You're comparison of religion to the BBC meanwhile is hilarious. They don't have any monopoly, but good luck trying to break them up!
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The point is that the state saw these institutions as out of bounds because they were operated by religious orders, and therefore failed in its duty to protect its citizens.

I dont see any evidence of similar conditions being permitted in any public or private sector "enterprises" between 1922 and 1996 in Ireland. There is not a chance it would have been tolerated.
 
superbam said:
The point is that the state saw these institutions as out of bounds because they were operated by religious orders, and therefore failed in its duty to protect its citizens.

I dont see any evidence of similar conditions being permitted in any public or private sector "enterprises" between 1922 and 1996 in Ireland. There is not a chance it would have been tolerated.
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I think even in these 'enlightened' times churches are a place of sanctuary where the State, most of them, fear to tread. There have been very recent incidents where fugitives and protesters have sought to escape the State in places of worship.

Real the movie back a few decades and beyond and Religious organizations were held in such reverence that it was beyond comprehension that they themselves would be engaging in illegal activities.

I feel the Irish PM is guilty of no more than judging past crimes and situations using todays laws and standards rather than considering them in their time with past laws and values.
 
egb_hibs said:
From what i gather from the article, the charge seems to be that workhouses were harsh places. Maybe there's more to it, but you'd expect suitably ejaculatory coverage from the ministry of propaganda were that the case.

And workhouses being harsh places is, I can assure you, not the sole preserve of taigery.

You really want to take a chill pill Smurf. Ever since the Arbeit-reich collapsed, your ban em and gag em impulses seem to be careening off in every fashionable direction.

You're comparison of religion to the BBC meanwhile is hilarious. They don't have any monopoly, but good luck trying to break them up!
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I need to take a chill pill? You are quite relaxed about some things but not about two people getting married...
 
Jack said:
I think even in these 'enlightened' times churches are a place of sanctuary where the State, most of them, fear to tread. There have been very recent incidents where fugitives and protesters have sought to escape the State in places of worship.

Real the movie back a few decades and beyond and Religious organizations were held in such reverence that it was beyond comprehension that they themselves would be engaging in illegal activities.

I feel the Irish PM is guilty of no more than judging past crimes and situations using todays laws and standards rather than considering them in their time with past laws and values.
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past laws ? - as recent as 1996 !
 
superbam said:
The point is that the state saw these institutions as out of bounds because they were operated by religious orders, and therefore failed in its duty to protect its citizens.

I dont see any evidence of similar conditions being permitted in any public or private sector "enterprises" between 1922 and 1996 in Ireland. There is not a chance it would have been tolerated.
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I don't share your faith, in fact I find it remarkable.
 
Smurfy said:
I need to take a chill pill? You are quite relaxed about some things but not about two people getting married...
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Smurf, I am pretty laid back given the gravity of the issue and given the rampant bigotry and authoritarianism that surrounds it's imposition; if I ever get het up it's the latter rather than the topic itself, that provokes it.

By comparison, your hang em and ban em fury at whatever the establishment orthodoxy frowns on, is a little over-caffineated.
 
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