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We have the Israel thread for this stuff and many of us have opted out and let the preoccupied do their thing in peace. Why can't you talk about Iran here? Why is the same thing happening as when Nigeria comes up or any other conflict.

It is genuinely deranged.
 
It’s not so much him, as them. And if they didn’t have a lying maniac as a leader that would be a start.
Israel is only in the strong position it is because of the support it receives from America. It is the largest air craft carrier in the universe.
Of course it is in Americas interest to keep the Middle East in order. I understand why they do it. But let’s not pretend they are some peace keeping force
egb_hibs said:
Ok, let’s see if you can do it. What bit, in what I said, you disagree with? Or what would you have liked the US to do?
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Rocky said:
5 fold 🤣. Do you people never even consider how ludicrous the propaganda you're fed is? Like basic primary school arithmetic would tell you that can't happen.
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Rocky go an say something of substance. If genocide was taking place why haven't the Palestinians disappeared?
 
egb_hibs said:
Naivete is the most charitable possible interpretation of the insistence by many that the Israelis were liquidating a population that hasn't been liquidated.

You can tell genocides because populations disappear in huge chunks or in their entirety.

As for the efficacy of the ceasefire, you can blame that on the same people that started the whole thing, but in any case casualty rates are massively reduced and that is down to the US. Who has done more?
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10% of a populace counts as genocide in my book. Maybe not enough for some I guess
 
1 Mcnamara said:
It’s not so much him, as them. And if they didn’t have a lying maniac as a leader that would be a start.
Israel is only in the strong position it is because of the support it receives from America. It is the largest air craft carrier in the universe.
Of course it is in Americas interest to keep the Middle East in order. I understand why they do it. But let’s not pretend they are some peace keeping force
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And yet the previous administration was funding a forever war, which is to say providing resources to keep it going but not to settle it one way or another. There was a compete volte face when the new administration came in. It was them. That's just a fact.
 
egb_hibs said:
Rocky go an say something of substance. If genocide was taking place why haven't the Palestinians disappeared?
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Apologies, I guess you're piling on me because you and your wee pal both believe a population can increase 5 fold in a couple of years huh? Fucking rabbits these Palestinians
 
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egb_hibs said:
We have the Israel thread for this stuff and many of us have opted out and let the preoccupied do their thing in peace. Why can't you talk about Iran here? Why is the same thing happening as when Nigeria comes up or any other conflict.

It is genuinely deranged.
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Cos the Trump fanboys end up in all the threads i guess
 
Rocky said:
10% of a populace counts as genocide in my book. Maybe not enough for some I guess
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I dare say. That nowhere near 10% of the population has been killed is I guess by the by, along with the context of urban warfare. If Israel wanted to exterminate the population of Gaza they could do it any time they liked. They did not. Never mind all the strange things like vaccination programmes not typically carried out by genocidaires.

You assert it because you want it to be so.
 
Rocky said:
Apologies, I guess you're piling on me because you and your wee pal both believe a population can increase 5 fold in a couple of years huh? Fucking rabbits these Palestinians
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I'm not piling onto you I'm responding to points you made to me. I thought your 5 fold response was to me as it followed my post. Apologies

Take up Paigntons points with him, though in this case he is - somewhat obviously I would have thought - referencing the explosive growth in Palestinian population over the term of the wider conflict, which was called genocide long before this current conflagration.
 
egb_hibs said:
I dare say. That nowhere near 10% of the population has been killed is I guess by the by, along with the context of urban warfare. If Israel wanted to exterminate the population of Gaza they could do it any time they liked. They did not. Never mind all the strange things like vaccination programmes not typically carried out by genocidaires.

You assert it because you want it to be so.
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Wonder why anyone would quibble with a 10% number that seems entirely reasonable whilst defending a post claiming a five fold population increase. Tremendous stuff.
 
Rocky said:
Wonder why anyone would quibble with a 10% number that seems entirely reasonable
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On what basis is it entirely reasonable? You are taking the casualty figures - which include natural deaths and those killed by hamas and Islamic jihad - and multiplying by 3 or 4x.

Why is this entirely reasonable?
Rocky said:
whilst defending a post claiming a five fold population increase. Tremendous stuff.
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Because it is accurate in the context he meant it, again somewhat obviously.
 
egb_hibs said:
On what basis is it entirely reasonable? You are taking the casualty figures - which include natural deaths and those killed by hamas and Islamic jihad - and multiplying by 3 or 4x.

Why is this entirely reasonable?

Because it is accurate in the context he meant it, again somewhat obviously.
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So 10% death rate is too high but 400% population growth is reasonable??? Fucking listen to yourself 🤣
 
Rocky said:
My bad, I'm not tuned into the latest context you Facebook boys are frothing over.
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The Palestinian population has grown a little less than 5x since occupation of Gaza and the West Bank in 1968 and commencement of the world's most half arsed genocide effort.

I'm not on facebook. These are facts. And it's not me nor indeed Paignton that are frothing.
 
egb_hibs said:
The Palestinian population has grown a little less than 5x since occupation of Gaza and the West Bank in 1968 and commencement of the world's most half arsed genocide effort.

I'm not on facebook. These are facts. And it's not me nor indeed Paignton that are frothing.
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And you believe less than 10% of them have died in 70 years? Place must be heaving
 
egb_hibs said:
Dear oh dear
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Surely it was obvious the context i meant was 70 years?? That was good enough for Paignton's post naw? Or only if it suits your agenda? Funny how unsaid context is "obvious" in one post but not another?
 
egb_hibs said:
He struck a peace deal that Hamas are intent on sabotaging but has at least ended all out war.
Who has done more than that.
The US brokered a ceasefire and are trying to find a route out for Palestinians where Iran and Hamas just want to continue their giant human sacrifice, and so it seems do many in the West.

What else, in the real world, do you want? Who has done more?
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You cannae help your right wing positioning Martin, though your suggestions to the contrary, are waring a bit thin, pro genocidal Israel,Trump and god forbid Starmers unconditional support for genocide like other EU flunkies.
As a man of the faith you may recognise this.....

“And they have treated the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace!’. But there is no peace.”

These words from the Book of Jeremiah, written millennia ago, aptly describe the situation facing the Palestinian people today.

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This isn’t a peace plan – it’s a business deal | The Communist

Announced in Washington at the end of September, it is becoming clear to everyone what this ‘peace’ deal in the Middle East really amounts to. The continued bombardment of Palestinians, corporations encircling Gaza for cheap real-estate, all potentially led by Tony Blair!
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Surely it was obvious the context i meant was 70 years?? That was good enough for Paignton's post naw? Or only if it suits your agenda? Funny how unsaid context is "obvious" in one post but not another?
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I'm trying to discuss what is real. You are trying to bend reality to what you want it to be.

Paignton will correct me if he was really arguing that the Palestinian population has grown 5x in a couple of years but I think we both know the answer.

And if you tell me you meant 70 years all along, then it's still the case that no, nowhere near 10% of the population have been killed. I'm sure that 10% and more will have died naturally though. If you want to attribute that to Israeli 'genocide', well that would indeed be of a piece.
 
GORDONSMITH7 said:
You cannae help your right wing, though your suggestions to the contrary are waring a bit thin, pro genocide pro Israel,Trump and god forbid Starmers unconditional support for genocide.
As a man of the faith you may recognise this.....

“And they have treated the wound of my people lightly, saying, ‘Peace, peace!’. But there is no peace.”

These words from the Book of Jeremiah, written millennia ago, aptly describe the situation facing the Palestinian people today.

communist.red

This isn’t a peace plan – it’s a business deal | The Communist

Announced in Washington at the end of September, it is becoming clear to everyone what this ‘peace’ deal in the Middle East really amounts to. The continued bombardment of Palestinians, corporations encircling Gaza for cheap real-estate, all potentially led by Tony Blair!
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Right wing right wing right wing.

Gies peace. Your lot have ended up serving global capitalism and kissing the arse of religious reactionaries when you aren't parroting guff you have taken from flat out nazis.

You've twisted yourself into pretzels. You can't even tell me what you mean by right wing anymore than you can tell me what you mean by genocide.
 
Rocky said:
Surely it was obvious the context i meant was 70 years?? That was good enough for Paignton's post naw? Or only if it suits your agenda? Funny how unsaid context is "obvious" in one post but not another?
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Seriously @Rocky mate you wasting your fucking time.

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egb_hibs said:
I'm trying to discuss what is real. You are trying to bend reality to what you want it to be.

Paignton will correct me if he was really arguing that the Palestinian population has grown 5x in a couple of years but I think we both know the answer.

And if you tell me you meant 70 years all along, then it's still the case that no, nowhere near 10% of the population have been killed. I'm sure that 10% and more will have died naturally though. If you want to attribute that to Israeli 'genocide', well that would indeed be of a piece.
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Of course I didn't mean 70 years but in a discussion of Israeli genocide you went in bawsdeep defending a five fold population increase. So I guess you're suggesting they've been genocidal all that time. Some might agree but I was only talking about the past couple of years in this thread.
 
Rocky said:
Of course I didn't mean 70 years but in a discussion of Israeli genocide you went in bawsdeep defending a five fold population increase. So I guess you're suggesting they've been genocidal all that time. Some might agree but I was only talking about the past couple of years in this thread.
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No, I suggested what he obviously meant.

And as I have said, quite clearly I think, I don't think theh have been genocidal at any point. Claims of it long predate the current conflict as you will know, given the interest you take in the subject.

Why are you playing this game? I'm not hiding behind trickery, why are you?
 
Rocky said:
It's my new year's resolution G, reclaiming the cooshed from the Trumpists 🤣
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Theres some chat on the podcast thread that applies here. It seems you really cannot understand that people sit outside your binary. Which is quite ironic really.


@gun ainm this is what I'm talking about
 
egb_hibs said:
He struck a peace deal that Hamas are intent on sabotaging but has at least ended all out war.

Who has done more than that?

And what else would you expect? Much though some might lust for it, the US are not going to allow Israel to be destroyed. They are an ally, they are the front line against Islamism, they were subject to an attack proportionately equivalent to 13x 911s after which America and a chunk of the west levelled two countries, one of which had nothing to do with it. And that was revenge not an existential war.

The US brokered a ceasefire and are trying to find a route out for Palestinians where Iran and Hamas just want to continue their giant human sacrifice, and so it seems do many in the West.

What else, in the real world, do you want? Who has done more?
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He could stop supplying Israel with weapons of mass destruction.

I'm not really surprised that you're twisting things the way you are because you've been denying Israeli atrocities from day one.

What would I expect? I'd expect the USA to not be Israels whore and I'd expect the rest of the civilised world to call these genocidal maniacs to heel instead of doing what you're doing which is crawling round the edges of the atrocities and twisting one way and another trying to not call the zionists in Israel the *&*^ that they are.
 
egb_hibs said:
No, I suggested what he obviously meant.

And as I have said, quite clearly I think, I don't think theh have been genocidal at any point. Claims of it long predate the current conflict as you will know, given the interest you take in the subject.

Why are you playing this game? I'm not hiding behind trickery, why are you?
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🤣 no trickery. I genuinely hope there's no-one in your offline life who's susceptible to your gaslighting. And I mean that quite sincerely.
 
Dub said:
He could stop supplying Israel with weapons of mass destruction.

I'm not really surprised that you're twisting things the way you are because you've been denying Israeli atrocities from day one.
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What am I twisting?

What have i denied?
Dub said:
What would I expect? I'd expect the USA to not be Israels whore and I'd expect the rest of the civilised world to call these genocidal maniacs to heel instead of doing what you're doing which is crawling round the edges of the atrocities and twisting one way and another trying to not call the zionists in Israel the *&*^ that they are.
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I have addressed the reality behind this boggle eyed frothing above.

This is a fucking cess pool. Young people in Iran are right now being murdered by the goons of the regime behind the conflict you lot are so obsessed with you completely ignore the topic.

Its tragic but I do owe you lot for teaching me things innumerable books and programmes could not.
 
Rocky said:
🤣 no trickery. I genuinely hope there's no-one in your offline life who's susceptible to your gaslighting. And I mean that quite sincerely.
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If you know what sincere means, you do your best to ignore it in these exchanges. I'm not sure which is worse.

Let's face it, you know as well as I do, that Paignton was not suggesting the Palestinian population has grown 5x in two years, even before I explained where that number comes from.

Again, you're playing games and I'm not. What gaslighting am I doing?
 
Rocky said:
An entire page of claiming the context of that was obvious. Fucking tremendous stuff
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Only because you persist in pretending to not get the obvious. I'm just dancing Rocky, you're picking the choons
 
Let's be honest the majority on here and elsewhere couldn't give a fuck about Iran. Couldn't give a fuck about what's going on or not going on. Unless of course there's some Israeli link. The narrative has to be those right wing, right wing imperialist Israeli and American bad guys.
 
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