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Jack

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I think we're about a week into the campaign.

Anyone changed their mind about how they're going to use there ones and twos?

I'm fairly sure where I'm directing my number one and only a huge cock up could change that, my number two is still floating.
 
Jack said:
I think we're about a week into the campaign.

Anyone changed their mind about how they're going to use there ones and twos?

I'm fairly sure where I'm directing my number one and only a huge cock up could change that, my number two is still floating.
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Not interested in the slightest
 
Is there any genuine honest candidates out there that can actually make a difference given they will be outnumbered by the usual w@nks
 
That debate last night and indeed last week was truly horrendous. All of them were hopeless.
 
Couldn't tell you it was going on tbh.

I've no appetite for any of them. I've become scunnered by the SNPs authoritarianism - look past the Indy question and they're just another bunch of statist control freaks it too often seems. This election won't influence Indy so there's no need to hold my nose and vote for them anyway, while their dominance of the parliament isn't healthy. But there's no one else that enthuses either.
 
SNP- renege on 50p tax rate
Labour- renege on £100 windfall
Tory- introduce £1500 pa for students and £8 for a script

At least the torys are consistent in being wanks.
 
Jack said:
I think we're about a week into the campaign.

Anyone changed their mind about how they're going to use there ones and twos?

I'm fairly sure where I'm directing my number one and only a huge cock up could change that, my number two is still floating.
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Well, it is healthier than it sinking apparently.


On a more serious note I'll be voting Green for both as usual. They aren't perfect but in the quagmire of politics they are about as close to voting with a clean conscience as I can manage.
 
i find very little to get excited about.

SNP a shoe-in, no coherent opposition.

labour put guys like anas sarwar top of their glasgow list - another opportunist like jim murphy before him.

tories wont surpass labour now they've shown their hand.

greens will hopefully surpass libdems.

should the SNP get a minority it would be highly unlikely the other parties could form a workable coalition.

Nicola will win - willie, Ruth and Kez should probably retain their leadership positions?

possibility of a couple of ukippers.

suppose this is potentially the ground work for indyref2.

- UK pulled out of europe.
- indyref2 rushed through before xmas
- Yes will lose again - maybe closer this time
- UK tory govt for the next 10 to 15 years
 
I thought it was interesting hearing Kezia Dugdale attack the Tories as much as the SNP in the debates. Labour are shit scared of finishing behind the Tories. I will be voting for who I believe will form the strongest opposition to the inevitable SNP Government who have been in power in Scotland as long as Thatcher was....
 
Smurf said:
I thought it was interesting hearing Kezia Dugdale attack the Tories as much as the SNP in the debates. Labour are shit scared of finishing behind the Tories. I will be voting for who I believe will form the strongest opposition to the inevitable SNP Government who have been in power in Scotland as long as Thatcher was....
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None of the above, then? Scottish politics has become seriously shit. Labour/Dugdale totally useless.No matter how much her patter and charm gets her decent media coverage, Davidson is still a tory. Willie Rennie might as well just give up. The SNP/Sturgeon had the chance to become a relatively radical political movement but ran to the middle ground of blandness.

I'll be voting Green, simply because at least they offer an alternative. Some of it might utterly bonkers and unworkable, but the rest are just simply brutal.
 
southfieldhibby said:
None of the above, then? Scottish politics has become seriously $#@!. Labour/Dugdale totally useless.No matter how much her patter and charm gets her decent media coverage, Davidson is still a tory. Willie Rennie might as well just give up. The SNP/Sturgeon had the chance to become a relatively radical political movement but ran to the middle ground of blandness.

I'll be voting Green, simply because at least they offer an alternative. Some of it might utterly bonkers and unworkable, but the rest are just simply brutal.
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They have to be centrist non-offensive over the next 5 to 10 years to win the missing 10% for the next indyref...that how i see it.
 
southfieldhibby said:
None of the above, then? Scottish politics has become seriously $#@!. Labour/Dugdale totally useless.No matter how much her patter and charm gets her decent media coverage, Davidson is still a tory. Willie Rennie might as well just give up. The SNP/Sturgeon had the chance to become a relatively radical political movement but ran to the middle ground of blandness.

I'll be voting Green, simply because at least they offer an alternative. Some of it might utterly bonkers and unworkable, but the rest are just simply brutal.
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I agree totally in all of the above. Mate I'm a bit of a political junkie and genuinely love listening to a lot of politicians whether I agree or disagree. However, how brutal are that lot? Sturgeon and Davidson are competent but for me don't inspire. Whatever anyone thinks of the SNP they need a decent and credible opposition and there's none. A pissed off Labour supporter/member/voter is me.
 
Kenny said:
They have to be centrist non-offensive over the next 5 to 10 years to win the missing 10% for the next indyref...that how i see it.
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Well if the result of that is mismanaging Scotland as a result then they're no better than the political parties at Westminster, and probably don't deserve independence.

Scotland had some sort of 'political awakening' in 2014, I think lots of folk want radical alternatives to the bland options put forward- and that includes currency unions and EU membership- The SNP have a responsibility to create those options, not pick and chose between Labour/Tory policies and pass them off as their own.
 
shame we couldn't have built on the enthusiasm for politics the during the indy ref. I too think the SNP have come of the rails a bit (inevitably but they haven't helped themselves). Think I'll go green for both votes unless i get the feeling that Labour will seriously threaten Alastair Allan in the constituency vote (unlikely in my view). I still prefer the nats to car smash that is labour.

reasons for me voting green? policies on

1) council tax reform
2) land reform & land use & housing
3) health & equality - incl citizen's income
4) climate change & environment
5) democracy - local devolution, indy,

be good to get some/all these topics up the agenda, current govt too timid on all.
 
gun ainm said:
shame we couldn't have built on the enthusiasm for politics the during the indy ref. I too think the SNP have come of the rails a bit (inevitably but they haven't helped themselves). Think I'll go green for both votes unless i get the feeling that Labour will seriously threaten Alastair Allan in the constituency vote (unlikely in my view). I still prefer the nats to car smash that is labour.

reasons for me voting green? policies on

1) council tax reform
2) land reform & land use & housing
3) health & equality - incl citizen's income
4) climate change & environment
5) democracy - local devolution, indy,

be good to get some/all these topics up the agenda, current govt too timid on all.
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And in Andy Wightman they've got the best person to represent point 2 standing in the Lothians.
 
Kenny said:
They have to be centrist non-offensive over the next 5 to 10 years to win the missing 10% for the next indyref...that how i see it.
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Does that not risk them being seen as having been disingenuous about being "progressive" and losing voters who switched to them on that basis? :hmmm
 
Kenny said:
They have to be centrist non-offensive over the next 5 to 10 years to win the missing 10% for the next indyref...that how i see it.
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Problem with that is while the SNP are winning the centre they're losing the leftists. The notion of a genuinely more left-wing Scotland is bumping up against reality, basically.
 
HenryLB said:
Problem with that is while the SNP are winning the centre they're losing the leftists. The notion of a genuinely more left-wing Scotland is bumping up against reality, basically.
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Tbf to the SNP they built a coalition united by interest in independence. If that goes on the back boiler for now then it's natural and indeed healthy that people return to focussing on their wider political concerns. I think it's good for the SNP too, in the long run. Too much power isn't good for anyone.
 
SKII said:
Does that not risk them being seen as having been disingenuous about being "progressive" and losing voters who switched to them on that basis? :hmmm
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HenryLB said:
Problem with that is while the SNP are winning the centre they're losing the leftists. The notion of a genuinely more left-wing Scotland is bumping up against reality, basically.
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SK - I didn't say it was right or it is what i would do...

HLB - totally agree
 
SKII said:
I didn't say you did :wink:

However, that risk to their narrative is there...
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think the risk as been realised when you look at folk on this thread who "should" be SNP Core that will be voting green...

#bothVotesSNP seems lunacy also
 
Kenny said:
think the risk as been realised when you look at folk on this thread who "should" be SNP Core that will be voting green...

#bothVotesSNP seems lunacy also
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I've seen some friends and acquaintances go from being vocally supportive of them in the last couple of years recently post "Blue Tories, Red Tories and Yellow Tories" online and the yellow wasn't referring to the LibDems.

They've also gone Green.
 
Kenny said:
think the risk as been realised when you look at folk on this thread who "should" be SNP Core that will be voting green...

#bothVotesSNP seems lunacy also
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Surely better that than the Labour / Corbyn folly - chasing the handful they've lost to the greens despite that causing them to double down on the millions they lost to UKIP?

The radicals will come back when there is a second indyref because the more radically inclined will always turn out when the going gets radical. :yeah:
 
jock3 said:
I heard on the news £6000 fees. Are the Scottish Tories totally stupid?
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SKII said:
Not fees but a graduation tax of £1500 per year you were at uni.
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while the tories are blocking overseas graduates from staying on in scotland - so they won't be taxed

will Eng students who studied in scotland be taxed? but only if they remain in scotland i'm guessing...

so study in scoltand then take your skills out of scotland to avoid a 6k bill...

sounds like these are things parachuted in from london to stop Eng folk saying "how come scotland gets x,y & z"?
 
egb_hibs said:
Surely better that than the Labour / Corbyn folly - chasing the handful they've lost to the greens despite that causing them to double down on the millions they lost to UKIP?
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a labour supporting pal said - but the scottish party is totally autonomous now - like that was it - like now the voters would return to the fold.

I cant fathom Labour at all at the moment....happy to be anti fracking (despite the UK workers who will miss out) - pro trident (because UK workers may miss out)


egb_hibs said:
The radicals will come back when there is a second indyref because the more radically inclined will always turn out when the going gets radical. :yeah:
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yep i was thinking that

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Smurf said:
In principle this seems fair?
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but wasn't the idea a job after uni would be above the average and tax intake over a career would take that in?

obviously that doesn't seem fair to the person who earns more but didn't go to uni?
 
Kenny said:
a labour supporting pal said - but the scottish party is totally autonomous now - like that was it - like now the voters would return to the fold.

I cant fathom Labour at all at the moment....happy to be anti fracking (despite the UK workers who will miss out) - pro trident (because UK workers may miss out)



yep i was thinking that
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Labour have IMHO got a fundamental issue both North and south of the border; do they want to be party of the middle class left or a party representing labour interests? Those are not the same thing at all - in fact they are often diametrically opposed.
 
southfieldhibby said:
Well if the result of that is mismanaging Scotland as a result then they're no better than the political parties at Westminster, and probably don't deserve independence.

Scotland had some sort of 'political awakening' in 2014, I think lots of folk want radical alternatives to the bland options put forward- and that includes currency unions and EU membership- The SNP have a responsibility to create those options, not pick and chose between Labour/Tory policies and pass them off as their own.
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Well put, and the main reason I resigned my party membership, missed a massive operchancity have the SNP, imho
 
HenryLB said:
Problem with that is while the SNP are winning the centre they're losing the leftists. The notion of a genuinely more left-wing Scotland is bumping up against reality, basically.
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in what sense? I fail to see how a precautionary and bland SNP manifesto can be used to reach that conclusion? How would that show how different the Scots are in their political hue to the English or anyone else?

SNP have clearly concluded that they don't want to rock any boats as they build a broader support for Indyref 2 next time around, they know the radicals among us will likely back a further referendum BUT they are willing to ignore that element within their support because they have no significant competition (never-mind competition from the left) - within the confines of the current political system. They don't have to stretch themselves or do very much to retain popular support as they will still form the govt in May even if they lose support from radicals, a drop in voter turnout is the worst they can expect. I think this means they are prioritising indy over governance which for me sticks in the craw.
 
HenryLB said:
Problem with that is while the SNP are winning the centre they're losing the leftists. The notion of a genuinely more left-wing Scotland is bumping up against reality, basically.
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Kezie said Labour had to win back the third of Labour voters that voted for independence.

If it was as few as that I doubt they were very much lefty Labour anyway, probably middle of the road middle voters who don't know the difference between a progressive party and a foam party!
 
gun ainm said:
in what sense? I fail to see how a precautionary and bland SNP manifesto can be used to reach that conclusion? How would that show how different the Scots are in their political hue to the English or anyone else?
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I reckon it shows they are not.

SNP have clearly concluded that they don't want to rock any boats as they build a broader support for Indyref 2 next time around, they know the radicals among us will likely back a further referendum BUT they are willing to ignore that element within their support because they have no significant competition (never-mind competition from the left) - within the confines of the current political system. They don't have to stretch themselves or do very much to retain popular support as they will still form the govt in May even if they lose support from radicals, a drop in voter turnout is the worst they can expect. I think this means they are prioritising indy over governance which for me sticks in the craw.
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I think they have to be (or at least think they have to be) centrist to maintain their levels of support. I get that them prioritising indy might annoy you but - as I've said quite a lot before - that is their raison d'etre. It's naive to think they would prioritise anything else above that, isn't it? :dunno:

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Jack said:
Kezie said Labour had to win back the third of Labour voters that voted for independence.

If it was as few as that I doubt they were very much lefty Labour anyway, probably middle of the road middle voters who don't know the difference between a progressive party and a foam party!
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I guess. but it's that voter bloc the SNP seem most interested in.
 
I see Farange is actually saying reasonable stuff so as not to upset the Jocks. Normal stuff about the Barnett formula instead of his rantings.

Shame the asshole Scottish MEP for them didn't do so well trying to fill a full 'It will be alright on the night' programme in a 10 minute gaff riddled slot!
 
I've avoided it by and large; as a Radio 4 listener its not happening anyway they are only talking about the euro ref.

As an SNP member will vote 1st paper for Christine Grahame, outdent tell anyone, for my list vote I think I'll vote Rise. Bit gutted that I can't vote for Margo this time around, or at the very least an independent like her.
 
Anyone else seen the Gary the Tank Commander interviews with the party leaders?

Nikki and Kezia so far.

Good fun. Kezia doesn't like Willie!

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I'd put up a link but they were embedded or some such thing and I couldn't find them.
 
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