Highest Out Of Work Heat Map Of The UK

[Smurf]

This is awful - a heatmap of the top out of work in the UK. These statistics should shame the Scottish Government and the UK Government. Why are they both so indifferent to these horrendous statistics? It's almost become accepted. What would change this?

 

[egb_hibs]

On the knife crime thread @Jack speaks of a multi generational rot that will be hard to reverse. He is sadly correct I fear.

How we row back from 80s deindustrialisation, 00s globalisation and the 60s great leap forward, which are the component parts here, fuck knows.

If we could even create decent jobs, the prerequisite conditions for which are refused by left and right alike, we'd still have the even bigger problem of social destruction to deal with. Tbh you'd probably need to do things our society could not or would not tolerate from compelled work in return for benefits to takin children into care to break the cycle - though God knows that is far from an unproblematic solution, even setting aside the initial moral quandries.

So these people will be left to rot rather than we risk offending our liberal mores.

 

[paigntonhibby]

On the knife crime thread @Jack speaks of a multi generational rot that will be hard to reverse. He is sadly correct I fear.

How we row back from 80s deindustrialisation, 00s globalisation and the 60s great leap forward, which are the component parts here, fuck knows.

If we could even create decent jobs, the prerequisite conditions for which are refused by left and right alike, we'd still have the even bigger problem of social destruction to deal with. Tbh you'd probably need to do things our society could not or would not tolerate from compelled work in return for benefits to takin children into care to break the cycle - though God knows that is far from an unproblematic solution, even setting aside the initial moral quandries.

So these people will be left to rot rather than we risk offending our liberal mores.

I thought the reason all those neo liberals wanted mass immigration was because we didn't have enough indiginous people to fill all the vacancies.
I can't believe politicians have been lying to us.

 

[egb_hibs]

I thought the reason all those neo liberals wanted mass immigration was because we didn't have enough indiginous people to fill all the vacancies.
I can't believe politicians have been lying to us.

It is indeed somewhat incongruous. The reality is their sponsors don't want to pay decent wages so migration is used to drive them down, which makes some British people then reject work. On top of that there are a huge number of skivers the government needs to compensate for.

This, along with our failure to reproduce, is the side of the argument that anti immigration populism prefers not to dwell on. Both sides of it are the problem and our country is in very deep trouble, more so than many can bare to contemplate, it seems. I doubt its been in worse internal nick since jacobite and hanoverians were jooking it out.

 

[Beagle]

I thought the reason all those neo liberals wanted mass immigration was because we didn't have enough indiginous people to fill all the vacancies.
I can't believe politicians have been lying to us.

It’s not that there isn’t a vast amount of indigenous people to fill menial jobs, it’s that they refuse to do it because many of those jobs are beneath their dignity, where said dignity is maintained by sitting swigging cheap booze and dreaming of the many methods by which free disability and unemployment cash can be sourced and thieving anything they can get their hands on. Getting caught is merely an inconvenience and is society’s fault anyway.

 

[egb_hibs]

It’s not that there isn’t a vast amount of indigenous people to fill menial jobs, it’s that they refuse to do it because many of those jobs are beneath their dignity, where said dignity is maintained by sitting swigging cheap booze and dreaming of the many methods by which free disability and unemployment cash can be sourced and thieving anything they can get their hands on. Getting caught is merely an inconvenience and is society’s fault anyway.

Tory. Perhaps I can lend you my telegraph

 

[Beagle]

Tory. Perhaps I can lend you my telegraph

Would that be the one covered in shite because I have metaphorically shoved it where the sun doesn’t shine?

 

[paigntonhibby]

It’s not that there isn’t a vast amount of indigenous people to fill menial jobs, it’s that they refuse to do it because many of those jobs are beneath their dignity, where said dignity is maintained by sitting swigging cheap booze and dreaming of the many methods by which free disability and unemployment cash can be sourced and thieving anything they can get their hands on. Getting caught is merely an inconvenience and is society’s fault anyway.

I entirely agree, but if you try to make it more difficult to claim benefits if work is available then you get those same liberals screeming human rights etc.
Also I wonder hwhat % of the sickness benefits are those suffering from made up mental issues

 

[egb_hibs]

Would that be the one covered in shite because I have metaphorically shoved it where the sun doesn’t shine?

Police brutality!

 

[egb_hibs]

I entirely agree, but if you try to make it more difficult to claim benefits if work is available then you get those same liberals screeming human rights etc.
Also I wonder hwhat % of the sickness benefits are those suffering from made up mental issues

The lions share of those sickness figures will be made up conditions I expect. There will be lots of mental illness, but not the kind that stops you from working, indeed work would be part of the cure.

 

[Jack]

Well!

I think our current education system is pretty decent at what it sets out to achieve. But I think there's a glaring gap in the curriculum.

How to live/survive in society.​

There's nothing in there, that I'm aware of, that gives kids guidance on how to live out there in the wicked wide world.

Family finances, how to budget, how to operate a bank account, the drawbacks and advantages of a credit card, debt! You're wages, taxes, benefits, housing stuff like landlords, mortgages, utilities.

Healthcare from how to engage with the NHS, self care to first aid and the likes. Basic how to care for yourself.

Crime!

What are the roles and responsibilities of local and national government and agencies what they do and if you need them how to engage with them.

All these things you learn on the hoof, generally speaking when it's too late and probably no more accurate that the sex education gossip you learned off your mates when you were moving into secondary school!

There's millions of things that could be 'taught' that would help kids prepare for the rest of their lives. It shouldn't just be about stuff like algebra!

Perhaps if all kids knew what a society is the miscreants wouldn't be so keen to destroy it.

 

[egb_hibs]

Well!

I think our current education system is pretty decent at what it sets out to achieve. But I think there's a glaring gap in the curriculum.

How to live/survive in society.​

There's nothing in there, that I'm aware of, that gives kids guidance on how to live out there in the wicked wide world.

Family finances, how to budget, how to operate a bank account, the drawbacks and advantages of a credit card, debt! You're wages, taxes, benefits, housing stuff like landlords, mortgages, utilities.

Healthcare from how to engage with the NHS, self care to first aid and the likes. Basic how to care for yourself.

Crime!

What are the roles and responsibilities of local and national government and agencies what they do and if you need them how to engage with them.

All these things you learn on the hoof, generally speaking when it's too late and probably no more accurate that the sex education gossip you learned off your mates when you were moving into secondary school!

There's millions of things that could be 'taught' that would help kids prepare for the rest of their lives. It shouldn't just be about stuff like algebra!

Spot on. Though I don't have such a positive view of the curriculum, which appears to be causing a nose dive in our international standing, nor the surrounding education approach, which is very much part of the problem when it comes to discipline, cultivation of poor mental health etc.

The two go hand in hand. That Birbalsingh wench has children from the most deprived parts of London matching elite public school performance. And with no academic selection, just a focus on ' old fashioned' discipline and teaching. And so she is hated by the education establishment.

 

[Smurf]

It’s not that there isn’t a vast amount of indigenous people to fill menial jobs, it’s that they refuse to do it because many of those jobs are beneath their dignity, where said dignity is maintained by sitting swigging cheap booze and dreaming of the many methods by which free disability and unemployment cash can be sourced and thieving anything they can get their hands on. Getting caught is merely an inconvenience and is society’s fault anyway.

Spot on. It's a pity this opinion can't be accepted by others with their heads in the sand.

 

[aggie]

Spot on. Though I don't have such a positive view of the curriculum, which appears to be causing a nose dive in our international standing, nor the surrounding education approach, which is very much part of the problem when it comes to discipline, cultivation of poor mental health etc.

The two go hand in hand. That Birbalsingh wench has children from the most deprived parts of London matching elite public school performance. And with no academic selection, just a focus on ' old fashioned' discipline and teaching. And so she is hated by the education establishment.

"Though recognising socioeconomic disadvantages and how they affect her students, Birbalsingh insists that modern discourse focuses upon them too heavily, removing any hope that these can be surmounted on an individual level, and serving in the end only to ease the guilt of the privileged whilst creating a “victim mentality” which discourages disadvantaged students from even attempting to excel. In this area too, Birbalsingh’s outlook appears to have brought about astounding success: The Schools Guide awarded Michaela a score of 100% in its ‘progress’ category, which considers the levels of academic improvement made by students between joining the school and sitting their GCSEs and A-levels.

It is the paradox of Katharine Birbalsingh that makes her so controversial: she achieves the results coveted by progressives through espousing traditional values with a rigour that initially makes you flinch. A simple overview of her school’s consistently stellar achievements indicates that there must be something to this approach, but to admit that she is right would mean recognising that there is something amiss with our education system and the principles shaping it."

 

[egb_hibs]

"Though recognising socioeconomic disadvantages and how they affect her students, Birbalsingh insists that modern discourse focuses upon them too heavily, removing any hope that these can be surmounted on an individual level, and serving in the end only to ease the guilt of the privileged whilst creating a “victim mentality” which discourages disadvantaged students from even attempting to excel. In this area too, Birbalsingh’s outlook appears to have brought about astounding success: The Schools Guide awarded Michaela a score of 100% in its ‘progress’ category, which considers the levels of academic improvement made by students between joining the school and sitting their GCSEs and A-levels.

It is the paradox of Katharine Birbalsingh that makes her so controversial: she achieves the results coveted by progressives through espousing traditional values with a rigour that initially makes you flinch. A simple overview of her school’s consistently stellar achievements indicates that there must be something to this approach, but to admit that she is right would mean recognising that there is something amiss with our education system and the principles shaping it."

It's only a paradox if any weight whatsoever is given to the babbling witch doctors of progressive educationalism.