Harold Wilson - Milk Snatcher

[egb_hibs]

Hadn't realised that - as, fare more consequentially with grammar school demolition - la Thatch's milk raid was an extension of preceding labour policy. Odd that these things are so infamous on one hand and not on the other.

 

[Smurf]

700,000 miners in 1945 and how many in 1979 when she became PM?

 

[egb_hibs]

700,000 miners in 1945 and how many in 1979 when she became PM?

Wilson shut a lot more mines than she did, which some googling suggests also cost more jobs.

It's all very odd this; it seems labour getting a free pass is nothing new.

 

[Sunshine on Leith]

You know something M, i always thought your posts on just about any subject on the cowshed over a long period were bordering on the same old boring let's have a continues pop at the left etc etc, but it's now became beyond bordering it really is tedious.

Why is you fail to mention Wilson's first term - the low unemployment figures and economic prosperity?...

Hear is my opinion why you've bizarrely decided to bring Harold Wilson into the equation on the back of that old c**ts death is that it has nowt to do with your "milk raid" but to do with his liberalisation of laws on divorce, homosexuality, immigration, and abortion.

I really hope you can have a good weekend without the tiresome use of the internet.

 

[egb_hibs]

You know something M, i always thought your posts on just about any subject on the cowshed over a long period were bordering on the same old boring let's have a continues pop at the left etc etc, but it's now became beyond bordering it really is tedious.

Why is you fail to mention Wilson's first term - the low unemployment figures and economic prosperity?...

Hear is my opinion why you've bizarrely decided to bring Harold Wilson into the equation on the back of that old c**ts death is that it has nowt to do with your "milk raid" but to do with his liberalisation of laws on divorce, homosexuality, immigration, and abortion.

I really hope you can have a good weekend without the tiresome use of the internet.

Well the reason I posted this is its the first time I learned of it and I was surprised by the fact. Not got anything to do with the other things you mention which I wouldn't have known Wilson did.

If it bores you I apologise, but then you don't have o read just as people don't have to read all your mod stuff if I doesn't interest them ( it does interest me btw)

As I've said before of you looked at the threads I start rather than respond to they are far from so one note - or used to be, other topics increasingly sink without trace so why bother. Moreover if I ripped into other people's favourite targets I expect it would not sand out so much.

You're right though - its all getting rathe dull and were it not for iPhones and buses then no doubt my once ludicrous post count would have plummeted even further.

Anyhow thanks for the closing kind thoughts - lets hope tomorrow makes all our weekends. I'm optimistic

 

[egb_hibs]

The largest number of closures took place under Eden and Macmillan between 56 and 63. In terms of job losses only the first Wilson government compares to Thatchers. The difference being that there were alternative professions, a more fluid labour force and the coal industry itself remained relatively buoyant. There was investment in larger pits and also efforts to update the industry.

There was also investment in the early years - as o the wider picture, we were broke by the late 70s thanks to the above govts letting things fester. The biggest pity in my view is that after the massive pain in recovering from that, we got broken again

 

[Sunshine on Leith]

Well the reason I posted this is its the first time I learned of it and I was surprised by the fact. Not got anything to do with the other things you mention which I wouldn't have known Wilson did.

If it bores you I apologise, but then you don't have o read just as people don't have to read all your mod stuff if I doesn't interest them ( it does interest me btw)

As I've said before of you looked at the threads I start rather than respond to they are far from so one note - or used to be, other topics increasingly sink without trace so why bother. Moreover if I ripped into other people's favourite targets I expect it would not sand out so much.

You're right though - its all getting rathe dull and were it not for iPhones and buses then no doubt my once ludicrous post count would have plummeted even further.

Anyhow thanks for the closing kind thoughts - lets hope tomorrow makes all our weekends. I'm optimistic

Can't believe you've compared my 2/3 post a month on a particular subject to your 100's.

In saying that, you've gave me the reply that i was looking for.

 

[1 Mcnamara]

Hadn't realised that - as, fare more consequentially with grammar school demolition - la Thatch's milk raid was an extension of preceding labour policy. Odd that these things are so infamous on one hand and not on the other.

I heard this too and was surprised
And, I heard it on a programme on the Thatcher hating BBC. Amazing eh?

 

[southfieldhibby]

700,000 miners in 1945 and how many in 1979 when she became PM?

Think the demand for coal in 1945 had extenuating circumstances K...it's probably the same as comparing servicemen over the same dates.

so that and the move to alternative fuel methods of nuclear and oil explains that.There are ways and means of reducing certain sectors of employment, Thatcher chose the most hideous route available.

 

[gun ainm]

Think the demand for coal in 1945 had extenuating circumstances K...it's probably the same as comparing servicemen over the same dates.

so that and the move to alternative fuel methods of nuclear and oil explains that.There are ways and means of reducing certain sectors of employment, Thatcher chose the most hideous route available.

that would imply Thatcher's programme was about energy policy - in my view that was incidental, and it was really about ideology and smashing the unions (Scargill was similarly ideologically driven) In the UK. The suffering was inconsequential for Thatch because everything was in the name of the prophet Friedman, pursued with a religious zeal. Its funny that she recommended buying coal from communist Poland to implement her plan, I'd wager that was the most difficult part of it for her, if only Pinochet could have mined it cheaper for her.

 

[southfieldhibby]

that would imply Thatcher's programme was about energy policy - in my view that was incidental, and it was really about ideology and smashing the unions (Scargill was similarly ideologically driven) In the UK. The suffering was inconsequential for Thatch because everything was in the name of the prophet Friedman, pursued with a religious zeal. Its funny that she recommended buying coal from communist Poland to implement her plan, I'd wager that was the most difficult part of it for her, if only Pinochet could have mined it cheaper for her.

Disagree.Of course she wanted to smash unionism, but could see buying coal from abroad was cheaper, oil was pouring out of the north sea, a new age of nuclear 'clean' energy was here so a perfect storm arose.She killed a whole fecking flock of birds with one hefty stone.

 

[gun ainm]

Disagree.Of course she wanted to smash unionism, but could see buying coal from abroad was cheaper, oil was pouring out of the north sea, a new age of nuclear 'clean' energy was here so a perfect storm arose.She killed a whole fecking flock of birds with one hefty stone.

not much to dispute really, i just felt the emphasis should be on her ideology rather than the practicalities of delivering an effective energy policy. She had a choice not to go with the cheapest option - and that's a whole separate debate about how you measure that - but I think it was her 'convictions' that drove her decision making and not so much a cost/benefit analysis of what would have delivered the best option for the UK at that time. In short its my view that she was blinded by her ideology without fully considering the costs to individuals and society at large.