Going a Bit Mental in Murica

Mental. These police shootings are horrific, but the frenzy the media has whipped up has done nothing to help the situation - presenting it almost as if police are setting out to shoot black men.

And now we have this, which I guess might be any kind of terrorism but given the context may well be some kind of 'response' to these incidents. I seem to recall seeing something about some black panther type group gaining strength and threatening police and I think Dallas may have been mentioned.

America like Europe seems to be getting more fractious, with Obama's dismal and divisive reign possibly being followed by a choon like Trump; the last thing they need is this to accelerate further. They need to be honest with themselves about the context of all this, prejudiced police in some cases, the prejudices of identity politics stirring things up, and yet another facet of their death wish gun culture: they need to look at police shootings as a whole and the disposition of police in these situations given young black men are massively more likely than the general population to be involved in gun violence. They need to compare this to regions where whites have above average involvement in gun violence and see if it is reflected in police actions , and so on (for example a two minute look on google suggests ratios of police shootings by race of victim roughly map to ratios of homicide by race of perpetrator). Of course, it's unlikely to happen and inflaming rhetoric will be preferable to evidence based approaches and awkward questions...and more violence will be spawned.

What a mess.

RIP to he cops and to the victims of police shootings.
 
Black folk, white folk, police, children. At least they're inclusive.

"But most gun owners are responsible gun owners"
"There's too many guns, nothing can be done"

Blah, blah, fcukin blah. The moral cowardice shown by all who continue to support gun ownership sickens me. Even the conversation about possible ways to end this culture will never happen.


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These "protesters" got away with murder in Ferguson for months. Rioted, looted, burned the place down. The police were told to stand down and let it happen. I remember one officer saying he'd never been told to step down like that ever, and that he was disgusted. Every cop in the country just lost five of there brothers last night. I spoke to my buddy that's a State Trooper this morning and many of his colleagues are hurting from this. If future black lives matter matches get out of hand, it won't end well. This could have been the match that lights the blue touch paper.
 
Mental. These police shootings are horrific, but the frenzy the media has whipped up has done nothing to help the situation - presenting it almost as if police are setting out to shoot black men.

And now we have this, which I guess might be any kind of terrorism but given the context may well be some kind of 'response' to these incidents. I seem to recall seeing something about some black panther type group gaining strength and threatening police and I think Dallas may have been mentioned.

America like Europe seems to be getting more fractious, with Obama's dismal and divisive reign possibly being followed by a choon like Trump; the last thing they need is this to accelerate further. They need to be honest with themselves about the context of all this, prejudiced police in some cases, the prejudices of identity politics stirring things up, and yet another facet of their death wish gun culture: they need to look at police shootings as a whole and the disposition of police in these situations given young black men are massively more likely than the general population to be involved in gun violence. They need to compare this to regions where whites have above average involvement in gun violence and see if it is reflected in police actions , and so on (for example a two minute look on google suggests ratios of police shootings by race of victim roughly map to ratios of homicide by race of perpetrator). Of course, it's unlikely to happen and inflaming rhetoric will be preferable to evidence based approaches and awkward questions...and more violence will be spawned.

What a mess.

RIP to he cops and to the victims of police shootings.

The media certainly seems to play a major part in all of this with the constant cycle of violence and hate that they run as the news.

It is all mental. Having talked to local 'law enforcement officers' (its amazing how they will open up to a middle aged white guy about their true beliefs) I can confirm that it is not just Blacks that many many Police see as worthless human beings that deserve to die. Of course this kind of total disregard for the life of many people is not 100% held by all cops but it is definitely predominant. It is also true that that view seems predominant in US society as a whole. Cops are afterall just regular folk that have been 'trained' to carry a gun and badge.

One man's terrorist is another man's second amendment hero. When the cops killed Castille my first thought was that if the reports were correct it almost read like some sort of NRA plot to back up calls for a citizen's militia to confront these unaccountable government forces. 24 hours later and that seems to be exactly what the murderers in Dallas have done.

I agree that Europe is as ever hot on the heels of the country they so smugly like to call idiotic. 20 years from now, unless there is a major reversal in the spread of hatred, intolerance, and praise of violent retribution, then I reckon there will be armed police regularly gunning down 'questionable' citizens on the streets of Blighty.

Division has indeed become more apparent during the 7 1/2 years of Obama's Presidency. I do not think this has much to do with his policies but instead is a direct reaction to the 100% opposition to anything he has ever proposed by many millions of Americans and sections of the media. Remember over 20% still think that he is an Al-Qaeda operative or a Communist plant who is stoking these shootings so he can declare martial law and change the constitution so he remains President indefinitely. When faced with that kind of blanket opposition there is no way he could ever overcome the division.

You are correct in your assumption that using cold hard facts and further research into gun violence is not going to work. Congress / The NRA have ensured this simply isn't possible as they continually block such research. These measures in turn, as you say, inflame both sides and lead people to more extreme posturing.

It is a mess.

RIP to the hundreds killed by guns and other forms of violence in the USA this week. RIP to the thousands killed by guns and violence around the world this week.

As I've said on other threads I do not know how to stop the tide of violence but I think to blame one side alone in this is to entirely miss the point that all this hate and violence comes from all walks of life. And even if gun violence is currently more prevalent in young directionless black youth it is not unique to them and has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. Violence of this nature is 100% nurtured.
 
These "protesters" got away with murder in Ferguson for months. Rioted, looted, burned the place down. The police were told to stand down and let it happen. I remember one officer saying he'd never been told to step down like that ever, and that he was disgusted. Every cop in the country just lost five of there brothers last night. I spoke to my buddy that's a State Trooper this morning and many of his colleagues are hurting from this. If future black lives matter matches get out of hand, it won't end well. This could have been the match that lights the blue touch paper.
Sorry, but while there is no comparison between a police shooting however reckless and the deliberate murders perpetrated last night, this kind of rhetoric is perilously close to the rhetoric that inflamed the latter.
 
Sorry, but while there is no comparison between a police shooting however reckless and the deliberate murders perpetrated last night, this kind of rhetoric is perilously close to the rhetoric that inflamed the latter.

Your exactly right, but that's the mood right now. The next march wherever it is will have people taking glee and delight in these murders. Protesters will have banners and throwing it in the officers faces. Yes it will probably be a small minority but it will happen. NY last year they marched down the streets chanting kill the cops. It's not good.
 
These "protesters" got away with murder in Ferguson for months. Rioted, looted, burned the place down. The police were told to stand down and let it happen. I remember one officer saying he'd never been told to step down like that ever, and that he was disgusted. Every cop in the country just lost five of there brothers last night. I spoke to my buddy that's a State Trooper this morning and many of his colleagues are hurting from this. If future black lives matter matches get out of hand, it won't end well. This could have been the match that lights the blue touch paper.

Maybe yer buddy and his colleagues shouldnae racist gun happy wankers?
 
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Thanks for an interesting post - your 'letters from America' are always insightful on these things.

I look at this situation and it's hard not to despair. I think there are sacred cows aplenty which go unaddressed because they offend one powerful interest or another.

The whole gun things is first and foremost. On the other side are liberal shibboleths which are equally unassailable.

For example, I've never seen in any coverage of these shootings, mention given to the point that black youths are 8-9 times more likely to be perpetrators of homicide than white equivalents - and more so in hotspots.

Whatever else is going on that must affect the disposition of cops approaching situations. But it seems it can't be addressed - one situation where PC has lethal affect.

On a related note I agree with you about nurture which equally goes unaddressed. As a quick aside, I dread what gene science will produce this century as it's almost inevitable it will throw 'nature' elements into the controversies of the day that will be blown up and distorted. But that's tomorrow's problem - right now we cannot go near the clear disaster that has unfolded in the black community since 60s advances. For whatever reason, the black family has collapsed more catastrophically than equivalents producing a disproportionate amount of the directionless young men you mention, which is a major contributor to this catastrophe (as well as reversing previous rapid advance of black Americans across a range of social indicators). Tragically the pattern is now being replicated in England on a smaller and less lethal scale (thanks to lack of guns). In both countries the trajectory of recently immigrated and 'churched' Africans is markedly different (ie much better) than indigenous blacks, further highlighting the corrosive effects of recent cultural shifts.

I think the Obama era has emboldened the deranged elements within liberalism and made these things ever harder to approach seriously s everything is packaged within identity politics narratives: further inflaming things by encouraging victim hood and impotent rage over the hard struggle for self improvement, and ludicrously enshrining socially destructive behaviours as cultural authenticity. That, along with Obama's willingness to act undemocratically mean his reign has had problems not simply produced by the intransigence of his opposition.

US police forces clearly need some serious scrutiny - your relayed experience is chilling and reflects the particular infamy of the LAPD. Policing there is mental, not just in mentality but in its spectacularly low density compared to other big cities leaving cops a roaming Buccaneers potentially on a hair trigger ready to fight their way out of situations where backup is not so close as it is elsewhere.

It's a Gordian knot - fuck knows what the answer is, but it's not close by as we won't even ask the questions.

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Maybe yer buddy and his colleagues shouldnae racist gun happy $#@!s?

That horrific steamed incident - though I only saw a snippet - suggests a more complicated truth; gun happiness for sure, but not through racism versus a panicked over reaction. Actually perhaps that is a form of racism in terms of stereotyped expectation as opposed to malign 'I'm gonna shoot me a black' racism. Then again, as above, it's a stereotype based on real incidence of violence, so it's ...more complicated.
 
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That horrific steamed incident - though I only saw a snippet - suggests a more complicated truth; gun happiness for sure, but not through racism versus a panicked over reaction. Actually perhaps that is a form of racism in terms of stereotyped expectation as opposed to malign 'I'm gonna shoot me a black' racism. Then again, as above, it's a stereotype based on real incidence of violence, so it's ...more complicated.

I'm with EGB on this- the cops seem to be a mix of untrained fools / have a disregard for life of many colours or cultures. Not sure if the Dylan Noble shooting has had coverage in the UK but once again it seems to show they simply do not know how to deal with a situation beyond barking 'raise your hands' and then shooting the suspect if they dare to be move and then fail to grasp that once someone has been shot twice they are then unlikely to be able to follow barked instructions.
 
I'm with EGB on this- the cops seem to be a mix of untrained fools / have a disregard for life of many colours or cultures. Not sure if the Dylan Noble shooting has had coverage in the UK but once again it seems to show they simply do not know how to deal with a situation beyond barking 'raise your hands' and then shooting the suspect if they dare to be move and then fail to grasp that once someone has been shot twice they are then unlikely to be able to follow barked instructions.

That's yet another thing. All the training cops get to be dominating in tone of voice and body language is one thing in the UK where its pretty much all they've got to rely on, and a heavily armed society. Compare and contrast with footage of warfare, and the military communicating in life and death situations in almost ludicrously low-key tone and neutralising language - the almost muttered 'contact' you hear over radios as guns open up or bombs drop. I understand that this is deliberate as barking hysterically at people can just shut down their brains when it doesn't induce outright panic.

You see this to lethal effect on both sides of these US cop confrontations. I don't want to be glib though - these military communications are between each other, not how they pacify captives, which is probably close to cop style - except they are much better trained for armed confrontation. But I suspect there is something in it.
 
How many other people from the wide diversity of races have the cops killed?

This year alone I heard 60 blacks have been shot dead by the police. Thats an incredible stat never mind the 100s of others killed in the general mayhem and possibly 1000s injured.

Proportionately I reckon that's the equivalent of 10 black people killed by the police here in the UK. If that ever came to pass ... it doesn't bare thinking about.
 
A stat that gets completely ignored is the amount of police officers that are killed also. According to the National Law Enforcement, one officer is killed every 61 hours. I'm sure that figure would be a lot higher without the proper training and the vests they wear.
 
How many other people from the wide diversity of races have the cops killed?

This year alone I heard 60 blacks have been shot dead by the police. Thats an incredible stat never mind the 100s of others killed in the general mayhem and possibly 1000s injured.

Proportionately I reckon that's the equivalent of 10 black people killed by the police here in the UK. If that ever came to pass ... it doesn't bare thinking about.

Not sure where your data comes from but using 3 different reports the number I see is around 120. For whites the number is around 260.

In comparison the number of cops shot and killed is around 20. (That roughly 1 every 219 hours btw).
 
How many other people from the wide diversity of races have the cops killed?

This year alone I heard 60 blacks have been shot dead by the police. Thats an incredible stat never mind the 100s of others killed in the general mayhem and possibly 1000s injured.

Proportionately I reckon that's the equivalent of 10 black people killed by the police here in the UK. If that ever came to pass ... it doesn't bare thinking about.

You don't know the half of it Jack - over 1100 killed by cop shooting last year

Black men 2x more likely to be shot than white peers (5x for youths). If Hispanics are counted as white as I think the fbi must do below, Blacks are killed 1.14x the rate of whites.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

Then again, the bit you won't read in the guardian, over the decade between 2004 and 2013, black men were (varying by year) between 4 and 8x more likely than white men to murder police officers (Hispanics not recorded separately or never kill cops)

http://www.journal-news.com/news/news/crime-law/race-a-factor-in-police-shootings/njHYM/

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...feloniously-killed/felonious_topic_page_-2013

I wonder if these facts are related :hmmm

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Not sure where your data comes from but using 3 different reports the number I see is around 120. For whites the number is around 260.

In comparison the number of cops shot and killed is around 20. (That roughly 1 every 219 hours btw).
if we extrapolate numbers to make the cop population equivalent in size to the black population, that would be 640 cops killed.

If we extrapolate cops population to US population, 5380 cops killed,

Somewhat more complicated than toxic identity politics - which has surely contributed to last nights events - allows.
 
It was stuff I heard on the radio.

The stats you guys have come up with just make the whole thing worse! The authorities and the media keeping a sick score.

Common denominator is guns and a disregard for life on an industrial scale.
 
The media certainly seems to play a major part in all of this with the constant cycle of violence and hate that they run as the news.

It is all mental. Having talked to local 'law enforcement officers' (its amazing how they will open up to a middle aged white guy about their true beliefs) I can confirm that it is not just Blacks that many many Police see as worthless human beings that deserve to die. Of course this kind of total disregard for the life of many people is not 100% held by all cops but it is definitely predominant. It is also true that that view seems predominant in US society as a whole. Cops are afterall just regular folk that have been 'trained' to carry a gun and badge.

One man's terrorist is another man's second amendment hero. When the cops killed Castille my first thought was that if the reports were correct it almost read like some sort of NRA plot to back up calls for a citizen's militia to confront these unaccountable government forces. 24 hours later and that seems to be exactly what the murderers in Dallas have done.

I agree that Europe is as ever hot on the heels of the country they so smugly like to call idiotic. 20 years from now, unless there is a major reversal in the spread of hatred, intolerance, and praise of violent retribution, then I reckon there will be armed police regularly gunning down 'questionable' citizens on the streets of Blighty.

Division has indeed become more apparent during the 7 1/2 years of Obama's Presidency. I do not think this has much to do with his policies but instead is a direct reaction to the 100% opposition to anything he has ever proposed by many millions of Americans and sections of the media. Remember over 20% still think that he is an Al-Qaeda operative or a Communist plant who is stoking these shootings so he can declare martial law and change the constitution so he remains President indefinitely. When faced with that kind of blanket opposition there is no way he could ever overcome the division.

You are correct in your assumption that using cold hard facts and further research into gun violence is not going to work. Congress / The NRA have ensured this simply isn't possible as they continually block such research. These measures in turn, as you say, inflame both sides and lead people to more extreme posturing.

It is a mess.

RIP to the hundreds killed by guns and other forms of violence in the USA this week. RIP to the thousands killed by guns and violence around the world this week.

As I've said on other threads I do not know how to stop the tide of violence but I think to blame one side alone in this is to entirely miss the point that all this hate and violence comes from all walks of life. And even if gun violence is currently more prevalent in young directionless black youth it is not unique to them and has absolutely nothing to do with genetics. Violence of this nature is 100% nurtured.

Perhaps the Europeans smugly call Americans idiots because over 20% still think Obama is an Al qaeda operative.
 
Let's tar all cops with the same brush then :doh

By the same token - All black people arent drug dealers deserving of execution by the over zealous police. One set of people being killed is as bad as the other but I suppose that's what you get in a country where buying a gun is as easy as buying a jar of coffee.
 
By the same token - All black people arent drug dealers deserving of execution by the over zealous police. One set of people being killed is as bad as the other but I suppose that's what you get in a country where buying a gun is as easy as buying a jar of coffee.

Your right Dub and I'd never say anything like that. I know I catch a lot of flack for carrying and owning guns, but I took a long time to make that decision. This place is littered with fruitcakes and you don't know what they are packing. There's so many crazies and unreported stories that are worrying. America has let the gun problem fester for years and grow bigger and bigger. The genie is out the bottle, 300 million LEGAL guns are on the streets, who knows how many illegals ones. The genie is to big to put back in the bottle.
 
It was stuff I heard on the radio.

The stats you guys have come up with just make the whole thing worse! The authorities and the media keeping a sick score.

Common denominator is guns and a disregard for life on an industrial scale.
i think the fbi have more reasonable grounds for understanding crime than elements of the media trying to whip up racial strife
 
Perhaps the Europeans smugly call Americans idiots because over 20% still think Obama is an Al qaeda operative.

Would that be the 25% of British people that think the moon landings didn't happen, or the 20% that believe you can see gravity, the 40% of British kids that don't know milk comes from cows, the 10% of adults that think an orange flavoured coke counts as one of your 5 fruit and veg a day, or is it the 30% that voted Brexit cos they believed the shite Farange and Gove told them, or the 40% that were too stupid to even vote?

My point is that there's many stupid folk here in the US but Europeans seem to be just as stupid but generally about 20 years behind the trend. The one exception being the popularity of techno music that it has taken Americans about 30 years to start liking
 
Let's tar all cops with the same brush then :doh

Bit rich given the way yer 'buddy' and his colleagues treat blacks tbh!
Since the Fergusson shooting in August 2014, police have executed 2009 people. Fuck the American police, utter ****s imo
 
Bit rich given the way yer 'buddy' and his colleagues treat blacks tbh!
Since the Fergusson shooting in August 2014, police have executed 2009 people. $#@! the American police, utter ****s imo

So you make a sweeping statement about every cop miss treating blacks. Cops are getting shot at and attacked on a daily basis. The majority attacking them are black gang bangers. These stories don't make MSM but they happen. Cop pulled over today is now fighting for his life.

Ballwin officer 'fighting for his life' after shooting; suspect charged | Law and order | stltoday.com
 
Cops in America get shot at as part of their job in a country where guns are seen as an essential part of life. A black guy being executed in front of his 4 year old daughter, for doing as the cop told him btw, isnae the same. Yer mate doesnae want shot at? Get a new fuckin job! Simples eh. Just make sure it isnae selling cds in a car parking lot mind you, unless yer mate is African American, he would probably be ok
 
Would that be the 25% of British people that think the moon landings didn't happen, or the 20% that believe you can see gravity, the 40% of British kids that don't know milk comes from cows, the 10% of adults that think an orange flavoured coke counts as one of your 5 fruit and veg a day, or is it the 30% that voted Brexit cos they believed the shite Farange and Gove told them, or the 40% that were too stupid to even vote?

My point is that there's many stupid folk here in the US but Europeans seem to be just as stupid but generally about 20 years behind the trend. The one exception being the popularity of techno music that it has taken Americans about 30 years to start liking

I get mine in a carton from my local shop. Comes from Cows you say :hmmm
 
Cops in America get shot at as part of their job in a country where guns are seen as an essential part of life. A black guy being executed in front of his 4 year old daughter, for doing as the cop told him btw, isnae the same. Yer mate doesnae want shot at? Get a new $#@!in job! Simples eh. Just make sure it isnae selling cds in a car parking lot mind you, unless yer mate is African American, he would probably be ok

What happened there and in other instances is a bloody disgrace. However you're oversimplifying in terms of the wider picture - cops are year on year between 4 and 8 times less likely to be killed in a confrontation with a white citizen than with a black one (and far more likely to be killed than either in a police / citizen confrontation) and yet are half as likely to kill a white citizen as a black one. Imagine those stats were reversed. This doesn't fit neatly into the narrative that has contributed to the police killings in Dallas.

I'm also pretty glad that some people are willing to do dangerous jobs that serve the community and, the bad apples aside, they deserve respect for it.

The police absolutely need to look at what the fuck some of their officers are playing at. But it's symptomatic of much deeper problems than a few bigoted robocops who it suits so many interests to solely blame.

Ps in the last year roll back of policing following police shooting incidents has consistently led to large upticks in homicide in the areas in question - the victims of which are largely black.
 
Never knew you could get orange flavoured coke
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What happened there and in other instances is a bloody disgrace. However you're oversimplifying in terms of the wider picture - cops are year on year between 4 and 8 times less likely to be killed in a confrontation with a white citizen than with a black one (and far more likely to be killed than either in a police / citizen confrontation) and yet are half as likely to kill a white citizen as a black one. Imagine those stats were reversed. This doesn't fit neatly into the narrative that has contributed to the police killings in Dallas.

I'm also pretty glad that some people are willing to do dangerous jobs that serve the community and, the bad apples aside, they deserve respect for it.

The police absolutely need to look at what the fuck some of their officers are playing at. But it's symptomatic of much deeper problems than a few bigoted robocops who it suits so many interests to solely blame.

Ps in the last year roll back of policing following police shooting incidents has consistently led to large upticks in homicide in the areas in question - the victims of which are largely black.

Gun happy cops kill black men for no apparent reason and get off with it. Black people decide to take justice in to their own hands. Answer: Stop being Rambo in a cop outfit and gunning down innocent [black] people and there is [much] less chance of there being any retribution. Seems fairly straightforward.
 
Gun happy cops kill black men for no apparent reason and get off with it. Black people decide to take justice in to their own hands. Answer: Stop being Rambo in a cop outfit and gunning down innocent [black] people and there is [much] less chance of there being any retribution. Seems fairly straightforward.

Black men are many times more likely to be involved in gun crime and to kill police than are white men. This must affect police attitudes in approaching situations - and make some of them more twitchy and panicky. Despite this, they shoot white people at a rate many times higher when compared to the likelihood of white people killing them. Lastly, they're more likely to be killed in clashes with the public than the public are, whatever their colour.

Your simplistic conclusion could equally be - black blokes; stop shooting so many people and you're less likely to be shot by a cop. It would also save way more black lines. Its only simple if you ignore every aspect other than the ones that support a pleasing story.

Oh and 'Black people' are no more taking the law into their own hands than are 'white people' when the far right murder Muslims.
 
Maybe you haven't read the posts on the thread? Black men are many times more likely to be involved in gun crime and to kill police than are white men. This must affect police attitudes in approaching situations - and make some of them more twitchy and panicky. Despite this, they shoot white people at a rate many times higher when compared to the likelihood of white people killing them. Lastly, they're more likely to be killed in clashes with the public than the public are, whatever their colour.

'Black people' are no more taking the law into their own hands than are the 'white people' when the far right murder Muslims.

Its only simple if you ignore every aspect other than the ones that support a pleasing story.

Just what we need; twitchy panicky gun toting coppers.
 
Just what we need; twitchy panicky gun toting coppers.
spot on; I think that's a huge problem. Bound to happen in an insane gun culture like that but at the very least training and psychological testing of potential recruits should be major focus to try and improve responses.
 
Can any of our USA resident amigos confirm. I was watching today a report from the shocking Dallas events and a guy on the news said it is legal in Texas to carry one of those semi automatic rifles that would kill an elephant....in public. Surely tae fuck no.

BIG G
 
Can any of our USA resident amigos confirm. I was watching today a report from the shocking Dallas events and a guy on the news said it is legal in Texas to carry one of those semi automatic rifles that would kill an elephant....in public. Surely tae $#@! no.

BIG G

Yep in certain States it's legal to open carry a handgun or rifle. You can't walk around with it in your hand, it has to be holstered or over your shoulder on a sling. Don't let the looks of those rifles deceive you though. A regular handgun is more lethal than that rifle you saw. The laws are pretty fecked up over many things. You can open carry freely in most states, but to conceal carry a weapon you have to go thru classes, background check the works. I personally think open carrying is insane, but people do it. Also the rifle you saw can be purchased without a background check legally. A handgun you have to get a purchaser permit or have a permit before you can buy it. The laws were never changed from the days of musket rifles and shotguns. These semi automatic rifles are banded in with guns they used 80 years ago. While fun to shoot, they serve no great purpose. The bullets are too small to hunt decent size game with.
 
Yep in certain States it's legal to open carry a handgun or rifle. You can't walk around with it in your hand, it has to be holstered or over your shoulder on a sling. Don't let the looks of those rifles deceive you though. A regular handgun is more lethal than that rifle you saw. The laws are pretty fecked up over many things. You can open carry freely in most states, but to conceal carry a weapon you have to go thru classes, background check the works. I personally think open carrying is insane, but people do it. Also the rifle you saw can be purchased without a background check legally. A handgun you have to get a purchaser permit or have a permit before you can buy it. The laws were never changed from the days of musket rifles and shotguns. These semi automatic rifles are banded in with guns they used 80 years ago. While fun to shoot, they serve no great purpose. The bullets are too small to hunt decent size game with.

Mental really. ''Right love away doon tae the Kirkgate tae pick up some grog at Lidl. Wallet, keys, bus pass.....oh and could you pass my loaded semi automatic rifle you got me for Christmas.'' FFS.

BIG G
 
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if we extrapolate numbers to make the cop population equivalent in size to the black population, that would be 640 cops killed.

If we extrapolate cops population to US population, 5380 cops killed,

Somewhat more complicated than toxic identity politics - which has surely contributed to last nights events - allows.

Numbers can be extrapolated in many ways...

One simple extrapolation I made has it that for the US Police force the odds of you being killed at work are 1 in 33,333.

The odds of you being killed at work for the entire workforce of the US is 1 in 32,450.

So being a cop is actually safer than your average job.

Of course my data may be skewed but I'm not even including any deaths related to long-term illness developed through poor working conditions. Similarly I don't include figures on cops that have killed themselves due to job related stress/anxiety (or cardiac failure due to a poor diet from being on the go all day or working shift patterns) - but that could also apply to many other jobs I suppose. Point is we get fed the bullshit everyday about how brave our cops are when actually the stats seem to show their job isn't actually any more life threatening than many many other jobs.
 
Numbers can be extrapolated in many ways...

One simple extrapolation I made has it that for the US Police force the odds of you being killed at work are 1 in 33,333.

The odds of you being killed at work for the entire workforce of the US is 1 in 32,450.

So being a cop is actually safer than your average job.

Of course my data may be skewed but I'm not even including any deaths related to long-term illness developed through poor working conditions. Similarly I don't include figures on cops that have killed themselves due to job related stress/anxiety (or cardiac failure due to a poor diet from being on the go all day or working shift patterns) - but that could also apply to many other jobs I suppose. Point is we get fed the bull$#@! everyday about how brave our cops are when actually the stats seem to show their job isn't actually any more life threatening than many many other jobs.

What's the point of this though? You're setting out knowingly making bad comparisons for no apparent purpose. There'll be plenty more dangerous jobs than being a cop for sure, but so what? That doesn't take away from the fact that it is a dangerous job in which more cops per 100k are killed by black men, than black men per 100k are killed by cops. In which black men are many times more like kill them than white men, and 'only' twice as likely to be killed by them.

These things are doubtless explanatory factors in police shooting we all want to stop and so are important in a way I don't see with your comparisons.